Your plan looks great! My dd is almost 13 (in a few days), she is in 7th this year. Right now I ordered a bunch of books about China and the Holocaust from the library, mostly fiction. We will then watch some movies - Life is Beautiful, Pearl Harbor, and Schindler's List to be specific. I think that will be a good start, er, end to this year. But a good start to her hopefully loving history.

Where is the best place to get titles for great books like this? Sonlight didn't seem to do the job, at least for the time period we used (Sonlight H- world history 1 of 2)

Thank you for the tips! Blsd, you're right about having to stay on top of it. Maybe she will just always have a bad attitude and drag her feet regarding anything related to "school." That's why I went with SL, I thought she would enjoy that since she loves to read, but nope. Now here I am. Thank you for the suggestions! The more I think about it, the more I think Mao and Hitler would be really good time periods to study together.....

Personally, I know this is not PC, but I do think weakness and strength has something to do with it in a sense. I have known people who are so stubborn, such fighters that I was sure they would make it through anything. They turn any negative into something to conquer and just see it as one more way to increase their strength. I, OTOH, am nothing at all like that. I definitely consider myself weaker than these people and need to take safeguards in my life that they probably never will. I'm also sure these people see people like me as being weak, and that's okay. We are who we are.

Haven't read any of the replies, and I don't know what I'd do if my child seemed really serious about becoming a different gender, that's not something we've experienced in the least. One of my boys is more feminine, and that's fine with us. He wore high heels and played with dolls when he was little, we didn't bat an eye (okay, maybe dh did). If they started talking about wanting to be a different gender on a regular basis or wanting us to call them a different gender's name? Not sure. I will say I think Angelina has been grooming Shiloh for this since she was tiny. I have thought this for years, ever since I saw what outfits they dressed her in as a newborn. I still remember the People cover where they revealed her after she was born. They clearly have tried to masculinate her for a long, long time.

Thank you, I definitely don't want this to be the case! What is seen as one of the best overall reference books for history? I think in the elementary years it's A Child's History of the World, right? What about for the older years? I for sure will add "Lies My Teacher Told Me" to a book list...pretty sure that book taught me more about history than I ever learned or retained in school. But what else? Gah, there are just so many things to choose from. :(

Good point. What do you use for high school history?

Not fiction only....maybe a core text to refer back to with fiction as the rest?

(c/p on the gen ed board, but I thought it'd be a good idea to ask here too. This daughter is going into 8th next year, so this would be something we'd switch into for the long haul....) I haven't been around here in awhile, but I'm needing to come up with a new plan. I have a hard time making sure my older kids are staying on top of their history and science because there are so many different parts to keep track of (notebooking, experiments, timeline work, geography & mapwork, notes, etc) and honestly I'm not sure how much they're getting out of the extras, especially with history, because they're just seen as things they have to check off a list to be done for the day. I purchased the entire year of Sonlight for my dd last year, but it was the same thing - she dragged her feet about it each day and I was constantly having to try to keep track of all the different things she had to do, and she ended up not even liking most of the books she read. :/ If she doesn't like Sonlight's suggestions, I'm not sure what to do. :tongue_smilie: I am thinking of moving entirely to living books, mostly fiction, for history. Without all the extras. Is that possible? I have had her listen to SOTW 1 & 2 several times, not sure how much she got out of that either. But she loves good stories (just not Sonlight's suggestions, apparently). This is daunting because I'm not sure where to start or if this is even a good idea - I guess I should look at TOG and AO's book suggestions and try to group them by subject? But is it bad if I don't do things chronologically? For starters I want her to study China under Mao and the start of communism there, I also want her to study the Holocaust because I think those will be really gripping for her. But should I go back and try to start in order, or only do one continent at a time, or what? She is so sick of the ancients, we did that for a couple years in a row. :/

I haven't been around here in awhile, but I'm needing to come up with a new plan. I have a hard time making sure my older kids are staying on top of their history and science because there are so many different parts to keep track of (notebooking, experiments, timeline work, geography & mapwork, notes, etc) and honestly I'm not sure how much they're getting out of the extras, especially with history, because they're just seen as things they have to check off a list to be done for the day. I purchased the entire year of Sonlight for my dd last year, but it was the same thing - she dragged her feet about it each day and I was constantly having to try to keep track of all the different things she had to do, and she ended up not even liking most of the books she read. :/ If she doesn't like Sonlight's suggestions, I'm not sure what to do. :tongue_smilie: I am thinking of moving entirely to living books, mostly fiction, for history. Without all the extras. Is that possible? I have had her listen to SOTW 1 & 2 several times, not sure how much she got out of that either. But she loves good stories (just not Sonlight's suggestions, apparently). This is daunting because I'm not sure where to start or if this is even a good idea - I guess I should look at TOG and AO's book suggestions and try to group them by subject? But is it bad if I don't do things chronologically? For starters I want her to study China under Mao and the start of communism there, I also want her to study the Holocaust because I think those will be really gripping for her. But should I go back and try to start in order, or only do one continent at a time, or what? She is so sick of the ancients, we did that for a couple years in a row. :/

Thank you for the suggestions!

I have tried to keep up with "eclectic/CM" approach but it is no longer working. I am discouraged and needing to figure out a different way of doing things now that I have more kids to educate (my littles are getting older). I need to scrap my ideals and just go to what is going to get done. :closedeyes: I tried Sonlight this year for history, spent so much time piecing it together (to save money instead of buying a core), and my book-loving, literature-adoring daughter wanted nothing to do with it because it was "school." :glare: She does do really well with CLE light units, so I am thinking of adding in more of that approach into more subjects than just math. Honestly, even R&S English was a stretch for her because it required the text book, the work book, the tests, and further assignments written in her journal. That was just too much to keep track of for 1 subject. She has ADD and so do I, and that is also why I'm thinking a strictly open-and-go workbook approach will work best. What have you tried and loved in a workbook or DVD, open-and-go approach for Language Arts, SS/history, and science?

See, this is what I don't understand...the disconnect in thinking that boys and girls can't be together at all without thinking of sex and being unable to control themselves (hahaha, so ridiculous, right, teens are so much more than sex), and the admission made, that many agreed with, that they all probably left and had sex somewhere, and that thinking of sex no matter what is perfectly normal for a teen. Because of her clothing? Or the fact that she was yelling/screaming/throwing a total fit? It would make sense that a guy working security would get involved in that situation, right?

Has it been credibly established she is telling the whole truth?

Or, like a previous article (or a comment on an article by another person or persons who were directly involved) mentioned, it wasn't the dads at all. Right.