OrganicMom Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 or just the beginning and ending of Egyptian dynasties? OR do you have child memorize the beginning date... then the dynasties and then the ending date of the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 None of the above. Just. No! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samiam Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 why? What would be the point ogf knowing exact years of Egyptan pharoahs? While we find the Egyptians very interesting around here, theres about thousands of years of history that come after them. IF I was the sort for memorizing dates, Egyptian Pharoahs would not be the dates I'd focus on. General idea of order, okay, but memorization of exact years, um , yeah, not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganicMom Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 SWB recommends this in some form... just curious as to what form, if any, in your home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganicMom Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 do you memorize any dates, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chepyl Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 None. It looks like our kids are the same age. We memorize a timeline/order of general historical events. No exact dates yet. I don't think it is necessary at this age to know dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Good grief no. Order is important. A few grounding dates are good. Having young children memorize something like that is just downright pointless in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 do you memorize any dates, then? Yes, but only important and noncontroversial ones. I too have seen the recommendations to memorize pharaohs. :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samiam Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 We have been sure to recognize and commit to memory some dates but now that I really think about it, is been all A.D. A few from European history times as they were game-changers and more related to American History. But yeah, game changers, that'd be a key point for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Wife Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 None of the above. Just. No! :D :iagree::iagree::iagree: Memorization is important for building a better brain, but there are SOOOOOO many more useful things IMHO to memorize than lists of Egyptian pharaoahs, Roman emperors, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FO4UR Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 No. We didn't memorize the Pharoahs at all. My oldest remembers the most important ones along with bits of info about them, but we did not make an effort to memorize. I prioritize the 3R's k-3. Every moment spent doing school-ish work in history/science is a moment NOT spent learning to read/write/math. We cover history and science very well through read alouds and oral narration. My dc know more history than I did (after graduating college:tongue_smilie:) even without making history a school-ish subject...probably *because* history is not a school subject, but something we enjoy as a family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganicMom Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 I was hesitant, and didn't begin this yet.... even with my daughter loving to memorize facts... very cautious and purposeful though as to what... so.... what do YOU think is important to memorize? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justLisa Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Nope. I don't even remember them. It's good to have a timeline, but exact dates hardly seems necessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alisoncooks Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) None of the above. Just. No! :D :iagree: I was hesitant, and didn't begin this yet.... even with my daughter loving to memorize facts... very cautious and purposeful though as to what... so.... what do YOU think is important to memorize? For ME: Bible verses poetry catechism-type stuff (we don't have this within my denomination, but I still find some things like this handy to know off-the-bat) Biblical lists/history (names of the 12 tribes, the disciples, the judges, books of the Bible, etc) famous quotes historical quotes (the Preamble, MLK Jr's "I had a dream" speech) more poetry :p Edited September 17, 2012 by alisoncooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embassy Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Not at all. I haven't required any memorization of history. I save memorization for Bible verses and foreign language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganicMom Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) right now, and for a while, we have been memorizing: scripture some poetry skip counting phone numbers - family and recently are beginning - vocabulary words, latin, and newly some from the kids pocket catechism... thoughts of: history memorization, lists of great scientists (without dates), musical periods (without dates), and random stuff like weight and measure tables (i.e. 3 teaspoons are in a table spoon, 3 ft in a yard, etc) , colors of the rainbow (she memorized it on her own), how many oceans there are and their names (which she already knows) also, just fyi, she likes to memorize, and we break it up throughout the day. for example she has a memory box which is pure scripture, a vocab box, a math box, a science history box... so before we gegin the subject we only spend a few brief moments on the box... all the boxes are set up like: http://simplycharlottemason.com/timesavers/memorysys/ Edited September 17, 2012 by OrganicMom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolybear Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 do you memorize any dates, then? For my 9 yo and 12 yo, no. I want them to know the general time frame of events and people in history, but I don't think they need to know dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Wife Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 so.... what do YOU think is important to memorize? Some ideas: U.S. presidents Books of the Bible Periodic table of elements Countries in each continent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myeightkiddies Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 or just the beginning and ending of Egyptian dynasties? OR do you have child memorize the beginning date... then the dynasties and then the ending date of the list? No. They are not required to memorize Egyptian dynasties/dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoo_keeper Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 (Laughing) No! We do some memorization, don't get me wrong, but I'd like to think the things we memorize actually have some usefulness is everyday life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellydon Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I don't have them memorize any of those dates. I don't see the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boscopup Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Nope, no pharaoh memorization here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 My priority memorization is: Full name, address, phone number, parents names. Math Facts as listed in The Core. Something spiritual/character (varies depending on faith). 7 continents, 5 oceans Latin/Greek/Hebrew The rest of memorization in REALITY, ends out being pretty passive and short term. The type people here frown on :lol: Oh yeah, and Cooking measurement equivalents Months of the year Sometimes things come up that shock me to the core and I make a student recite after me. And then I forget about it for quite awhile, until I get shocked again. Like, "The first president was George Washington! Repeat after me..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb_ Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Sometimes things come up that shock me to the core and I make a student recite after me. And then I forget about it for quite awhile, until I get shocked again. Like, "The first president was George Washington! Repeat after me..." :lol: :lol: BTDT How can they *forget* some of these things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 (edited) Good grief no. :iagree: I think this is the first time I've used that critter. If she likes to memorize things, get her a children's almanac and see what she comes up with. My son seems to know the gemstones by month, the Chinese zodiac, and the prefixes for the metric system (I mean ones like yotta) as well as phone numbers of various relatives. I think this is a more interesting use of his brain than too many bizarre facts of my choice. Edited September 18, 2012 by stripe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKS Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Absolutely, positively NOT. That is TOTALLY ridiculous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicMom Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 *Phew* I was thinking... uh... should my kids be memorizing dates? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommymilkies Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Good grief no. Order is important. A few grounding dates are good. Having young children memorize something like that is just downright pointless in my opinion. :iagree: plus so many of the dates are guesses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooketopia Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 My daughter memorized the list of Egyptian pharaohs from Aha through Conquest of Alexander the Great. No dates, just names. She loved it. Memorization is easy for her, so I just give her all sorts of stuff. With her, I just post the list/whatever on the wall, we read through it 1-3x a day and she usually has it memorized in 2-4 weeks. Why not memorize the pharaohs? I remember her going through the list out loud a couple of times, trying to place some other historical events in context to what was going on over in Egypt. At any rate, she's proud of knowing the pharaoh list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemykids Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 None of the above. Just. No! :D :lol: LOL, same here..no, no, nooo. :tongue_smilie:Good luck with whatever you decide though...;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudoMom Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I think it's a fair question. We haven't memorized the Pharaohs, but only because we tend to memorize together and I've got some that don't memorize as easily, so we stick with Bible verses and poetry. That said, if your daughter would enjoy it, go for it. I have one that can memorize things without much effort, and if we would've had more time in the day I would've had him memorize more lists when he was younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaBoo Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 :iagree: None of the above. Just. No! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_girls_mommy Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Yes, but only important and noncontroversial ones. I too have seen the recommendations to memorize pharaohs. :confused: We did not memorize the pharoahs even, and especially not the dates! We are back to an ancients year this year, and I decided to go with memorizing the books of the Bible this year for both of mine. The older will begin memorizing the wars list with dates, starting in ancient times. I never saw the point in memorizing pharoahs. We did memorize the kings of England and the U.S. presidents. Maybe one day we will do the Romans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsabelC Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Seriously, what is the point of memorizing a long list of pharaohs and dates? (unless the kid is mad on ancient Egypt and wants to do it for fun) I have never met a single kid who's done that, and if I ever did, I'd probably conclude that the parents have instigated it to show off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soror Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 No here as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathnmusic Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Never crossed my mind to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jyniffrec Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 If she enjoys memorizing and that is what you are studying then I don't see why she shouldn't. We tried to learn the list (no dates) but didn't get very far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganicMom Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share Posted September 18, 2012 wow, i love how, here at the hive... there always seems to be a unanimous decision! :D btw - forgot to mention she HAS memorized the books of the new testament and the 12 disciples, too. and lots of grammar (obviously) and spelling rules as well! heck, her brother who over hears (who is only 4) knows half the grammar definitions already and knows answer to spelling rules that he doesn't even know how to read yet... just by being around and in and out. i think i may give her some pharaohs and Egyptian dynasty periods, still. within a few days to a week she has anything i give her to memorized (only 5mins a day) memorized down flat and she gets happy about it.... typically she is someone who will forget what she learns instantly... i have felt that memorization gives her confidence... i.e. if she is in a test (in the future) whatever she has memorized, i hope, will give her an outline of information... but yeah.... all the dates tied to it.... i just couldn't even begin that until asking... BUT, again! I am so surprised by most of you that have responded. not in a bad way... just surprised. I'm amazed that here in a forum that is inspired by the book, the well trained mind, that you don't follow a basic recommendation of memorization at each grade level of history facts... i.e. not even wars or rulers? not that i'm judging at all... i'm new at this :D so, i am thankful for your wisdom. :D thank you so much for all of you who have responded! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 BUT, again! I am so surprised by most of you that have responded. not in a bad way... just surprised. I'm amazed that here in a forum that is inspired by the book, the well trained mind, that you don't follow a basic recommendation of memorization at each grade level of history facts... I don't follow SWB's belief in the three stages as such so I am not having my children spending their young years mostly memorizing facts. I try to glean other kernels of wisdom from her HSing ideas. But what you mentioned (the part I quoted) is probably going to generate a fair amount of discussion. In short, I think some people follow, and many are inspired by. But I do not believe I have seen a person who does exactly the WTM program as it is laid out. But she does promote lots of memorization. I think there are plenty of members here whose kids memorize things, but perhaps not quite what she lists or all that she lists. I also thought SWB did not seriously expect anyone to do her program exactly as written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I don't follow SWB's belief in the three stages as such so I am not having my children spending their young years mostly memorizing facts. I try to glean other kernels of wisdom from her HSing ideas. But what you mentioned (the part I quoted) is probably going to generate a fair amount of discussion. In short, I think some people follow, and many are inspired by. But I do not believe I have seen a person who does exactly the WTM program as it is laid out. But she does promote lots of memorization. I think there are plenty of members here whose kids memorize things, but perhaps not quite what she lists or all that she lists. I also thought SWB did not seriously expect anyone to do her program exactly as written. :iagree: We choose memorization depending on what is important to US. That's things like family names, addresses, and numbers, geography (world, country, and state), Bible (verses, books, apostles), math facts (including measurements and calendar here), and great poetry and famous quotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatmansWife Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Not everyone here follows the WTM or has even read her book. It's not a requirement to be here. :leaving: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2_girls_mommy Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 wow, i love how, here at the hive... there always seems to be a unanimous decision! :D BUT, again! I am so surprised by most of you that have responded. not in a bad way... just surprised. I'm amazed that here in a forum that is inspired by the book, the well trained mind, that you don't follow a basic recommendation of memorization at each grade level of history facts... i.e. not even wars or rulers? not that i'm judging at all... i'm new at this :D so, i am thankful for your wisdom. :D thank you so much for all of you who have responded! Well, I know you aren't responding to only me, but I just wanted to say that I do have my kiddos memorize at each grade level and I did put that in my post. I just choose not to do the pharoahs. The 1st time around in ancients we were just starting out, and I chose to get her used to memorizing with something slightly more useful. So we started with the first 12 presidents that year for a 6 and a 4 yr old. Didn't match our history for the year, and I didn't care. 2nd year and 3rd years we did do the history lists recommended in WTM: the kings of England, the presidents, the Preamble to the Constitution, etc, and lots of poetry, grammar, math facts, science facts, etc. I just never saw the point in the pharoahs. So now that we are back in ancients, like I said, we will do books of Bible and the older will begin the wars w/dates. Many memorize slightly different things here. Some do classical conversatinos and use their memory lists. Some do Veritas Press or Memoria press and use their memory lists. Personally I follow WTM more, but not to a T... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganicMom Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share Posted September 18, 2012 Not everyone here follows the WTM or has even read her book. It's not a requirement to be here. :leaving: i didn't think it was a requirement, nor should it be at all! :) i don't want anyone to take offense at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I was surprised at the diversity of the forums when I first came across them. I was expecting a group of people who followed WTM, or used other ideas for Classical education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 My children enjoy memory work. So far we have memorised scriptures, poetry, maths facts, our address/phone no. birth dates etc. This year I will be doing more memory work in history & science. (This is something I 'missed' on my first couple of readings of WTM :) ) I am considering Roman Emperors for this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I forgot to add that my eldest is beginning with Latin this year, so this will add to our memory work, plus we already have done a *very* small amount of French vocab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I was surprised at the diversity of the forums when I first came across them. I was expecting a group of people who followed WTM, or used other ideas for Classical education. Me too. That's why I didn't come here until last year, I didn't follow WTM at all or use PHP products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 :iagree: We choose memorization depending on what is important to US. That's things like family names, addresses, and numbers, geography (world, country, and state), Bible (verses, books, apostles), math facts (including measurements and calendar here), and great poetry and famous quotes. Goodness - we have done geography too! I usually feel like I am not doing enough, but we seem to be doing ok in the memory work dept! I like your idea of quotes - something I hadn't really thought of before. That would tie in really nicely with many different subjects too. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenjenn Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 It didn't even occur to me to have dates memorized. Actually this year I purchased the chapter tests from Peace Hill Press and so far none of the tests we have have expected the kids to memorize dates. I do emphasize to my kids to remember the century/time period we are talking about, and hope they retain a rough idea of where events occur on an overall timeline. I do the poetry memorization with my eldest using FLL3. With youngest ages - address, phone number, Pledge of Allegiance, etc, seemed sufficient to me, along with geography. As far as history goes, really can't imagine anything more trivial than the dates of rule for specific Egyptian pharaohs. I would consider that a colossal waste of time. There are so many more *general* things to be remembered historically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnaM Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Not everyone here follows the WTM or has even read her book. It's not a requirement to be here. :leaving: :iagree: I read about three pages and thought I might die from boredom. I still find lots of helpful information from the boards :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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