AuntieM Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) She now claims that her daughter drowned in the pool while under the grandparent's care. That she was not at all responsible for her daughter's death. Yeah, that's why that poor baby's skull was found with duct tape over the nose and mouth. What a horrible, horrible case. Edited May 25, 2011 by AuntieM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassenach Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Stunning, isn't it? I watched a news special last month and her lawyers were on. I had a feeling that they were going to try to blame the grandpa. What they came up with is way different than what I anticipated. She is a sad, sick individual and I think the jury is going to see right through this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrganicAnn Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Is that why the grandparents were hounding her about where their granddaughter? :glare: It is just so sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilymax Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 You mean Casey, not Caylee, right? :) Very sad, awful case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelBee Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Twisted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieM Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 You mean Casey, not Caylee, right? :) Very sad, awful case... Of course you are right. Casey is the adult, Caylee was the baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Her conscience was seared long, long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mejane Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Her conscience was seared long, long ago. Yes. What a piece of dreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelwydd Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 You know, I've always thought that by giving her child a name so similar to her own, that Casey showed her narcissistic colors from the beginning. I don't think Caylee ever represented anything to Casey except an extension of her egotistical self, and a tool to be used and discarded as she pleased. I am against the death penalty, but in Casey's case, I really can't spare a tear if she gets put down like the animal she is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer3141 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I try to keep believing in "innocent until proven guilty" but this woman makes it HARD. Can you imagine how it must be to be her parents? Do you just spend every waking second of every day thinking, "What did I do wrong??!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoxcell Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Seriously, she didn't report her baby missing for 31 days:001_huh:. There is just nothing to be said for this women:angry::crying:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Yes. What a piece of dreck. I can't read the details..... did she have a drug problem? It would be unusual for this to be pure personality, in this day and age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kebo Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 This whole case reminds me of the plot of the movie A Simple Plan: one morally wrong decision leads to a whole cascading series of increasingly horrible and evil choices to cover up the first wrong. Until you are in so deep that you don't even know who you are anymore. It's heartbreaking :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cindyz Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I can't read the details..... did she have a drug problem? It would be unusual for this to be pure personality, in this day and age. I wonder if she's going to claim multiple personalities due to the sexual abuse by her father and brother. It could be an excuse for the photos of her out partying while everything was going down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingersmom Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I was shocked when I heard all she was claiming. I wonder if the parents/brother will still stand by her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cindyz Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I was shocked when I heard all she was claiming. I wonder if the parents/brother will still stand by her. I saw a quick interview with her father where he said he would stand by her due to unconditional love for his daughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I try really hard to remember "Innocent until proven guilty." In this case...... seeing as her dad is the one that seems to be on trial... I'm having an incredibly difficult time remembering that. :banghead: I start to read/watch and have to move on, because it just turns my stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I try really hard to remember "Innocent until proven guilty." In this case...... seeing as her dad is the one that seems to be on trial... I'm having an incredibly difficult time remembering that. :banghead: I start to read/watch and have to move on, because it just turns my stomach. I was stunned by yesterday's developments. I think she is totally psychopathic....and her defense team has to be wacked to try this approach. Did anyone see Joy Behar last night? She thinks George is horrible because he 'threw his daughter under the bus by denying her version of events.' :confused: Apparently he should have went along with his dd's story that he sexually molested his dd and that made her so terrified of him that he was able to force her to dispose of the body and not mention it to anyone for 31 days. Oh, and Joy Behar would do that for her child. I never did care for Joy Behar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieM Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 I keep going back to the duct tape. If the child was already dead from drowning, and the conspiracy was to hide the body, why put duct tape over the nose and mouth? IME, the prosecution needs to drill in on this point. And, I am not an expert in such matters, but I have to ask... If you were a victim of abuse by your father, would you then leave your tiny daughter in his care to suffer the same fate? I believe Casey is wacked. But I think her defense team should just be purely ashamed of themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieM Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 I can't read the details..... did she have a drug problem? It would be unusual for this to be pure personality, in this day and age. I don't remember hearing any specific mention of drugs, but Casey was regularly documented on the party scene, so I imagine substance use of some sort was in play, be it alcohol and/or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plucky Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I keep going back to the duct tape. If the child was already dead from drowning, and the conspiracy was to hide the body, why put duct tape over the nose and mouth? IME, the prosecution needs to drill in on this point. And, I am not an expert in such matters, but I have to ask... If you were a victim of abuse by your father, would you then leave your tiny daughter in his care to suffer the same fate? I believe Casey is wacked. But I think her defense team should just be purely ashamed of themselves. I know very little about this case, but I have known people that do leave their kids with the abuser. There are plenty of kids in foster care that suffer from generational sexual abuse. It is very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdalley Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I keep going back to the duct tape. If the child was already dead from drowning, and the conspiracy was to hide the body, why put duct tape over the nose and mouth? IME, the prosecution needs to drill in on this point. And, I am not an expert in such matters, but I have to ask... If you were a victim of abuse by your father, would you then leave your tiny daughter in his care to suffer the same fate? I believe Casey is wacked. But I think her defense team should just be purely ashamed of themselves. If this were actually true (the sexual abuse) then it would have come out a long time ago. The girl is completely self absorbed. This is the defense team throwing poop against to the wall to see if it will stick. This is number what excuse she's used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny in Florida Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I have to ask... If you were a victim of abuse by your father, would you then leave your tiny daughter in his care to suffer the same fate? Also not an expert, however I did know a young man a number of years ago who had been sexually abused by his stepfather, got kicked out of the house when his mother did not believe him, but had no qualms knowing there was a younger boy in the home. He was convinced the stepfather would never harm the younger boy, for reasons I never did understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I keep going back to the duct tape. If the child was already dead from drowning, and the conspiracy was to hide the body, why put duct tape over the nose and mouth? IME, the prosecution needs to drill in on this point. I heard Dr. Drew last night on his show say that drowing victims have bodily fluids coming out of their mouth.....:( :confused: But I still say it doesn't make sense And, I am not an expert in such matters, but I have to ask... If you were a victim of abuse by your father, would you then leave your tiny daughter in his care to suffer the same fate? I believe Casey is wacked. But I think her defense team should just be purely ashamed of themselves. I do agree with whomever said it is like a movie plot....she has lied so much she just has to keep piling the lies on. Nancy Grace played a jailhouse clip of Casey talking to her mom about the rumor that was out there that Kaylee died in the pool....I think Casey came up with the idea from the different theories out there...of course she can't make up/admit that SHE was alone with the child when child drowns because shockingly enough SHE might actually be responsible for something. So she furthers the 'theory' by adding in her dad being the adult in charge when Kaylee dies. Makes no sense what so ever. George is a retired cop...he would NOT think the best course of action was to cover it up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 If this were actually true (the sexual abuse) then it would have come out a long time ago. The girl is completely self absorbed. This is the defense team throwing poop against to the wall to see if it will stick. This is number what excuse she's used? She had to have something to explain how she could be 'forced' by her dad to not report her dd missing for 31 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieM Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 I know very little about this case, but I have known people that do leave their kids with the abuser. There are plenty of kids in foster care that suffer from generational sexual abuse. It is very sad. Also not an expert, however I did know a young man a number of years ago who had been sexually abused by his stepfather, got kicked out of the house when his mother did not believe him, but had no qualms knowing there was a younger boy in the home. He was convinced the stepfather would never harm the younger boy, for reasons I never did understand. Wow, that is so sad. I remember, back before the body was found, thinking that she had probably died accidentally somehow and that there was a cover-up. I was thinking of something more along the lines of Caylee being left in the car while mom was out partying and then forgotten about. Casey has had plenty of time to make up stories. I haven't seen cable news in a long time - is the grandmother speaking out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Florida. Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Can I just say that living in the Orlando TV market, I am so tired of hearing this on the news Every. Single. Night. for nearly three years? I'm not following the trial but if I watch local news I don't have a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I honestly wouldn't be surprised if part of her family was involved. There was so much coverage here during those months and my dh and I both thought the whole family had issues. I don't think it's really that far-fetched that the dad might have had something to do with it all. It seemed to be mostly the mom trying to find out what was going on. That's just my $.02 and I haven't really watched any of the new coverage because it's just too depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb_ Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 When my daughter was having some bad experiences with a failed relationship, I picked up a book called "The Sociopath Next Door: The Ruthless vs. the Rest of Us." In the book, she contends that sociopaths are born and not made, the tendency to develop it lying in the genetic makeup and comprises 4% (!) of the general population,. Here is an excerpt (more at the link): Inside the Mind of a Sociopath This excerpt is from: "The Sociopath Next Door: The Ruthless vs. the Rest of Us" by Martha Stout Ph.D. (Broadway Books, New York, 2005, ISBN 0-7679-1581-X). Martha Stout is a clinical instructor at Harvard Medical School and elaborates on the tales of ruthlessness in everyday life based on her 25 years of practice as a specialist in the treatment of psychological trauma survivors. Imagine - if you can - not having a conscience, none at all, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern of the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken. And pretend that the concept of responsibility is unknown to you, except as a burden others seem to accept without question, like gullible fools. Now add to this strange fantasy the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless. You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience that they seldom even guess at your condition. In other words, you are completely free of internal restraints, and your unhampered liberty to do just as you please, with no pangs of conscience, is conveniently invisible to the world. You can do anything at all, and still your strange advantage over the majority of people, who are kept in line by their consciences, will most likely remain undiscovered. How will you live your life? What will you do with your huge and secret advantage, and with the corresponding handicap of other people (conscience)? The answer will depend largely on just what your desires happen to be, because people are not all the same. Even the profoundly unscrupulous are not all the same. Some people - whether they have a conscience or not - favor the ease of inertia, while others are filled with dreams and wild ambitions. Some human beings are brilliant and talented, some are dull-witted, and most, conscience or not, are somewhere in between. There are violent people and non-violent ones, individuals who are motivated by blood lust and those who have no such appetites. Maybe you are someone who craves money and power, and though you have no vestige of conscience, you do have a magnificent IQ. You have the driving nature and the intellectual capacity to pursue tremendous wealth and influence, and you are in no way moved by the nagging voice of conscience that prevents other people from doing everything and anything they have to do to succeed. You choose business, politics, the law, banking or international development, or any of a broad array of other power professions, and you pursue your career with a cold passion that tolerates none of the usual moral or legal encumbrances. When it is expedient, you doctor the accounting and shred the evidence, you stab your employees and your clients (or your constituency) in the back, marry for money, tell lethal premeditated lies to people who trust you, attempt to ruin colleagues who are powerful or eloquent, and simply steamroll over groups who are dependent and voiceless. And all of this you do with the exquisite freedom that results from having no conscience whatsoever. You become unimaginably, unassailably, and maybe even globally successful. Why not? With your big brain, and no conscience to rein in your schemes, you can do anything at all. Profile of the Sociopath This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths. * Glibness and Superficial Charm * Manipulative and Conning They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims. * Grandiose Sense of Self Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." * Pathological Lying Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests. * Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way. * Shallow Emotions When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises. * Incapacity for Love * Need for Stimulation Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common. * Callousness/Lack of Empathy Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. * Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others. * Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc. * Irresponsibility/Unreliability Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed. * Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. * Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively. * Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I honestly wouldn't be surprised if part of her family was involved. There was so much coverage here during those months and my dh and I both thought the whole family had issues. I don't think it's really that far-fetched that the dad might have had something to do with it all. It seemed to be mostly the mom trying to find out what was going on. That's just my $.02 and I haven't really watched any of the new coverage because it's just too depressing. I'd be curious to hear what kind of issues you think the parents have? I haven't watched it super closely, but I do find it interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieM Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 I'd be curious to hear what kind of issues you think the parents have? I haven't watched it super closely, but I do find it interesting. Maybe just the sick feeling a parent would probably have when they realize their child fits the profile described above in Barb's post... scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Maybe just the sick feeling a parent would probably have when they realize their child fits the profile described above in Barb's post... scary. I know. I agree her behaviors fit with that description. And I am so sick of this 'sexual abuse' excuse. I guess I might not be so sick of it if I actually believed it even a tinybit. And the reason I don't believe it is because she is a liar. A proven liar. And her brother/father are FAR from being proved as abusers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassenach Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I'd be curious to hear what kind of issues you think the parents have? I haven't watched it super closely, but I do find it interesting. What I noticed the most was the power struggle. It seemed that the grandparents did a lot of the raising of Kaylee. The sadly typical situation of a young and immature mother who wants to have her freedom. Casey lived with her parents. Her parents did a lot of the parenting and care of Kaylee. Then Casey and her parents have a falling out relating to the power struggle ("she's my kid!" type of situation) breaks out. It was very shortly after this that Kaylee died. None of the taped conversations/interviews/interrogations even alluded to what the defense is alleging. I just don't believe them. I think they are full throttle going for reasonable doubt, not something that they could even come close to proving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 What I noticed the most was the power struggle. It seemed that the grandparents did a lot of the raising of Kaylee. The sadly typical situation of a young and immature mother who wants to have her freedom. Casey lived with her parents. Her parents did a lot of the parenting and care of Kaylee. Then Casey and her parents have a falling out relating to the power struggle ("she's my kid!" type of situation) breaks out. It was very shortly after this that Kaylee died. None of the taped conversations/interviews/interrogations even alluded to what the defense is alleging. I just don't believe them. I think they are full throttle going for reasonable doubt, not something that they could even come close to proving. This is how I see it too. I think Casey was very irresponsible and out of control....and I think her parents loved that little girl a lot and that Casey used that to her own advantage. My own theory (totally without proof of course) is that she used something to sedate Kaylee while she partied. I think Kaylee died as a result (either from being left in a hot car and/or the sedation) and Casey attempted to covered it up. The pyscho side of her is the part where she seemingly just disconnected from the fact that her dd was DEAD and just partied on for 31 days until her mother called 911. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I believe I heard early on that she was a pathological liar.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I believe that there would certainly have been enough forensic evidence to tell if she had drowned.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I believe I heard early on that she was a pathological liar.... I believe that is true. I believe she is incapable of telling the truth. She was used to lying to people who had no real way to verify truth. The cops of course proved her a liar over and over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Yes, I unfortunately became completely enmeshed with a sociopath while in college. It is not pretty for the victims.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 They couldn't find the evidence of drowning, because she wasn't found for months. They have been saying the duct tape was stuck to her skull and implying she was skeletal at that point (iow, the water/soft tissue evidence would have been compromised if not gone completely). I keep going back to the duct tape. If the child was already dead from drowning, and the conspiracy was to hide the body, why put duct tape over the nose and mouth? IME, the prosecution needs to drill in on this point. And, I am not an expert in such matters, but I have to ask... If you were a victim of abuse by your father, would you then leave your tiny daughter in his care to suffer the same fate? I believe Casey is wacked. But I think her defense team should just be purely ashamed of themselves. :iagree: Dad and I were both saying, we've never been so upset that we needed to duct tape our children's mouths or noses. It never occurred to us to do so. "Oh no, she had an accident. Quick, someone get me the duct tape, so I can cover her airways!" :huh: Wow, that is so sad. I remember, back before the body was found, thinking that she had probably died accidentally somehow and that there was a cover-up. I was thinking of something more along the lines of Caylee being left in the car while mom was out partying and then forgotten about. Casey has had plenty of time to make up stories. I haven't seen cable news in a long time - is the grandmother speaking out? I thought so too. What I noticed the most was the power struggle. It seemed that the grandparents did a lot of the raising of Kaylee. The sadly typical situation of a young and immature mother who wants to have her freedom. Casey lived with her parents. Her parents did a lot of the parenting and care of Kaylee. Then Casey and her parents have a falling out relating to the power struggle ("she's my kid!" type of situation) breaks out. It was very shortly after this that Kaylee died. None of the taped conversations/interviews/interrogations even alluded to what the defense is alleging. I just don't believe them. I think they are full throttle going for reasonable doubt, not something that they could even come close to proving. If they realized that she was a liar and had some issues, like that checklist someone posted... then (imo) it makes sense that they would want to intervene, without going to the authorities. Those tendencies sound a lot like RAD to me, insofaras the person 'suffering' from them would be able to b.s. most authorities into believing them. Imagine if they had fought legally to get their granddaughter. If she's making these accusations now, I'm betting she'd have used as bad (if not worse) ones then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb_ Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 If they realized that she was a liar and had some issues, like that checklist someone posted... then (imo) it makes sense that they would want to intervene, without going to the authorities. Those tendencies sound a lot like RAD to me, insofaras the person 'suffering' from them would be able to b.s. most authorities into believing them. Not only that, most parents would be suffering deep guilt, wondering what they'd done to cause the child to behave the way she did. The thing a sociopath wants above all is pity, and after that, to induce guilt. If someone feels pity for you and even better, guilt at having caused you to "suffer," all the better to manipulate them. Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer3141 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 If someone feels pity for you and even better, guilt at having caused you to "suffer," all the better to manipulate them. Barb And all the EASIER to do it as well. I'm a little distrubed by how many of us have had a psychopath in our lives. :glare: Think the 4% is too low or do you think it's simply easier to remember the psychopaths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 And all the EASIER to do it as well. I'm a little distrubed by how many of us have had a psychopath in our lives. :glare:Think the 4% is too low or do you think it's simply easier to remember the psychopaths? I think they stand out. I also think that not every psychopath turns out to be a killer. Some are just highly annoying and self centered....they go through life not needing to kill because they get their needs met easily in other ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mejane Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Can I just say that living in the Orlando TV market, I am so tired of hearing this on the news Every. Single. Night. for nearly three years? I'm not following the trial but if I watch local news I don't have a choice. I can't even imagine. :tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mejane Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I saw a quick interview with her father where he said he would stand by her due to unconditional love for his daughter. He's an idiot. If one of my children were to hurt a grandchild of mine, I'd be the first one to turn them in... if there were anything left of them. Children are helpless; they come first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Not only that, most parents would be suffering deep guilt, wondering what they'd done to cause the child to behave the way she did. The thing a sociopath wants above all is pity, and after that, to induce guilt. If someone feels pity for you and even better, guilt at having caused you to "suffer," all the better to manipulate them. Barb I think that's true for so many things that can go wrong with a child's development. I wonder how many RAD parents or parents of children with autism think it's a problem with how they're parenting. I've always felt a little bad for the parents of people in the news. They want to say that they never noticed anything wrong, but then maybe they did and maybe they felt so guilty that they did nothing. I think they stand out. I also think that not every psychopath turns out to be a killer. Some are just highly annoying and self centered....they go through life not needing to kill because they get their needs met easily in other ways. :iagree: Some prefer not to kill their "host" and just live off of them :glare: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) Does anyone think there might be the smallest chance that Casey was s#xually abused and still did kill her daughter? ETA: fixed name Edited May 26, 2011 by unsinkable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnieB Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 She now claims that her daughter drowned in the pool while under the grandparent's care. That she was not at all responsible for her daughter's death. Yeah, that's why that poor baby's skull was found with duct tape over the nose and mouth. What a horrible, horrible case. Yeah....and she kept this "secret" for so long because?????? She's desperate and not quite sane.......and sadly her attorney's have no choice but to go with the story she tells them. Oh...and let's not forget that KNOWING that someone caused the death of another and hiding that fact is also a felony....but certainly less of a prision sentence which at this point is about all she has left to hope for. This poor child....my mind just can't handle thinking about what her few years on Earth must have been like with this as her family. Excuse me...I have to go hug my kids. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Does anyone think there might be the smallest chance that Caylee was s#xually abused and still did kill her daughter? I don't believe her. She concealed the fact that her daughter was missing for a month. Then, she lied about why her daughter was missing for months. I don't think she is credible and I think that the timing of her accusation is too convenient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Does anyone think there might be the smallest chance that Caylee was s#xually abused and still did kill her daughter? I assume you meant Casey? I think there's a small chance. Who do you tell if your policeman dad is abusing you? Didn't he try to kill himself at some point in all this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnieB Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 He was convinced the stepfather would never harm the younger boy, for reasons I never did understand. Many victims of abuse believe that THEY are to blame for the abuse, that they did something wrong or were bad and therefore deserved the abuse. It's a large part of the reason that abuse doesn't get reported and/or that someone stays with their abuser. Obviously this is something that most people who have never experienced abuse simply can't comprehend.....but it's how the abused feel and to them it makes sense...."if I could just behave like he wants (or whatever) then he wouldn't abuse me, so it's MY fault". Most abusers are also quite accomplished at manipulation and certainly help the victim feel that it's their fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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