Caylee Anthony throws her parents under the bus

[pdalley]

Does anyone think there might be the smallest chance that Caylee was s#xually abused and still did kill her daughter?

 

No.

 

I did a lot of research into sexual abuse in college. I honestly believe if she had been it would have surfaced before now. Trust me, her defense team had her examined by psychiatrists. She's been in custody how long? Her story has changed how many times?

 

There is not one thing about Casey that says victim to me. Not one. She victimizes. Also she reminds me very much of my SIL who is a complete narrccist. Nothing is ever her fault - ever. Life owes her! She manipulates and passes blame and does whatever she has to in order to make herself appear the victim.

 

I can't recall but I think the percentage of sexual abuse victims that wind up hurting their own kids is small. I believe that most victims would hurt themselves before anyone else. (other than the ones who go on to abuse others themselves)

[DawnM]

I can't imagine anyone would believe this new story.

 

Dawn

[Mejane]

Yeah....and she kept this "secret" for so long because??????

 

 

 

For the same reason the Menedez brothers kept their "secret" - so they could use it as their motive in a murder trial. :glare: Didn't work for them either.

[Scarlett]

For the same reason the Menedez brothers kept their "secret" - so they could use it as their motive in a murder trial. :glare: Didn't work for them either.

 

Yep.

 

Is anyone watching the trial right now? Defense attorney attempting to convict Geoge anthony through cross examination. It is making me ill.

 

George is not rattled but clearly very annoyed.

[Cindyz]

I think it's possible that she was sexually abused. It would explain a lot of her behavior such as being a habitual liar, highly sexualized, lack of responsibility, etc. Do I think it's actually true? I really have no idea. I do know that I don't believe her story about Caylee drowning in the pool on her own.

 

On another note, I am one of those parents who would stand by my child no matter their crime. I know that's difficult for some to swallow, but I do believe in unconditional love and would support my child getting the help they needed (included appropriate punishments if a terrible crime was committed).

[Mejane]

On another note, I am one of those parents who would stand by my child no matter their crime. I know that's difficult for some to swallow, but I do believe in unconditional love and would support my child getting the help they needed (included appropriate punishments if a terrible crime was committed).

 

Really? Even if you believed s/he had murdered your grandchild, thrown her little body in a swamp, and then gone out partying? Interesting.

Edited May 26, 2011 by Mejane

[Scarlett]

I think it's possible that she was sexually abused. It would explain a lot of her behavior such as being a habitual liar, highly sexualized, lack of responsibility, etc. Do I think it's actually true? I really have no idea. I do know that I don't believe her story about Caylee drowning in the pool on her own.

 

On another note, I am one of those parents who would stand by my child no matter their crime. I know that's difficult for some to swallow, but I do believe in unconditional love and would support my child getting the help they needed (included appropriate punishments if a terrible crime was committed).

 

I guess my issue with this is that how can either of her parents help her if she won't admit the truth of what she has done? I wouldn't turn my back on my child just because he committed a terrible crime..,..but I think I would call him on his lying and seperate myself from him until he could be truthful. I think. :confused: I hope I never have to find out. Just terrible.

[Cindyz]

On another note, why are certain trials like this streamed live?

[Scarlett]

On another note, why are certain trials like this streamed live?

 

So obsessive people can watch them. :tongue_smilie:

[Cindyz]

I guess my issue with this is that how can either of her parents help her if she won't admit the truth of what she has done? I wouldn't turn my back on my child just because he committed a terrible crime..,..but I think I would call him on his lying and seperate myself from him until he could be truthful. I think. :confused: I hope I never have to find out. Just terrible.

 

I'm thinking her lawyer has told her not to reveal things to her parents. Her parents may appear supportive or think they are being as supportive as they can be, but that doesn't mean that they may not say or do things to compromise her case as they have done from the beginning. Also, it would take a STRONG parent to stand up to the allegations being made...especially if they aren't true. They would have to expect some backlash.

[lionfamily1999]

I guess my issue with this is that how can either of her parents help her if she won't admit the truth of what she has done? I wouldn't turn my back on my child just because he committed a terrible crime..,..but I think I would call him on his lying and seperate myself from him until he could be truthful. I think. :confused: I hope I never have to find out. Just terrible.

Yeah, they would still be my offspring and I'm sure my heart would still break for them, but I think this would be the time for a massive time out. I can not see dh and I saying we "support" them, or paying for a lawyer, or even visiting or writing. I think it would be time to step back and wait for the truth and an apology.

 

Of course, the accusations against the parents would change everything.

[MariannNOVA]

Many victims of abuse believe that THEY are to blame for the abuse, that they did something wrong or were bad and therefore deserved the abuse. It's a large part of the reason that abuse doesn't get reported and/or that someone stays with their abuser. Obviously this is something that most people who have never experienced abuse simply can't comprehend.....but it's how the abused feel and to them it makes sense...."if I could just behave like he wants (or whatever) then he wouldn't abuse me, so it's MY fault".

 

Most abusers are also quite accomplished at manipulation and certainly help the victim feel that it's their fault.

 

I totally agree. TRANSFORMING TRAUMA by Anna Salter is a frightening, honest look at abusers and their MO. It is not for the faint of heart.

[Scarlett]

I'm thinking her lawyer has told her not to reveal things to her parents. Her parents may appear supportive or think they are being as supportive as they can be, but that doesn't mean that they may not say or do things to compromise her case as they have done from the beginning. Also, it would take a STRONG parent to stand up to the allegations being made...especially if they aren't true. They would have to expect some backlash.

 

I am not sure I am following you. She is accusing her father of being there when Caylee drowned. She is accusing her father of forcing her to cover it up. Clearly if he is innocent (and I believe he is) he KNOWS she is lying. So at that point, if my child was accusing ME of a crime....I just don't know how I could go on being 'supportive.' I am not sure WHAT I would do. I think I would want to no longer exist. And as soon as I typed that I remembered George's attempted suicide....wow. Just so sad.

[Scarlett]

I totally agree. TRANSFORMING TRAUMA by Anna Salter is a frightening, honest look at abusers and their MO. It is not for the faint of heart.

 

Still and yet.....WHY would that make her kill her dd? Or WHY would George Anthony try to cover up a drowning? It makes NO sense.

[Scarlett]

Yeah, they would still be my offspring and I'm sure my heart would still break for them, but I think this would be the time for a massive time out. I can not see dh and I saying we "support" them, or paying for a lawyer, or even visiting or writing. I think it would be time to step back and wait for the truth and an apology.

 

Of course, the accusations against the parents would change everything.

 

I know. Sickening.

[lionfamily1999]

I know. Sickening.

I could not stand for anyone saying those things about my spouse.

[MariannNOVA]

Still and yet.....WHY would that make her kill her dd? Or WHY would George Anthony try to cover up a drowning? It makes NO sense.

 

Hi, Scarlett -- I wasn't even trying to answer any of those questions -- I was only commenting on the statement about abusers and their skillfulness at manipulation. Anna Salter writes about that in her book.

 

As far as CA and her family -- I cannot even fathom a guess. I know that there is dysfunctionality out there that is just unfathomable.

 

None of this case has made sense to me ever.

[Scarlett]

I could not stand for anyone saying those things about my spouse.

 

It is going to be very interesting to see how Cindy Anthony does on the stand.

[Scarlett]

Hi, Scarlett -- I wasn't even trying to answer any of those questions -- I was only commenting on the statement about abusers and their skillfulness at manipulation. Anna Salter writes about that in her book.

 

As far as CA and her family -- I cannot even fathom a guess. I know that there is dysfunctionality out there that is just unfathomable.

 

None of this case has made sense to me ever.

 

I know. I have sort of believed CA accidentally killed her dd...but some of those internet searches are really :confused:. She searched 'shovel'. And how to break someone's neck I think. And chloraform. I don't know...she may have just cold bloodedly murdered her. If she did though, her 'story' wasn't very plausible....the Nanny took her. The non-existant Nanny.

[MariannNOVA]

I know. I have sort of believed CA accidentally killed her dd...but some of those internet searches are really :confused:. She searched 'shovel'. And how to break someone's neck I think. And chloraform. I don't know...she may have just cold bloodedly murdered her. If she did though, her 'story' wasn't very plausible....the Nanny took her. The non-existant Nanny.

 

From the instant the story broke, that 'nanny' thing was 'odd.' And searching stuff........bizarre, and imo, point to premeditation - I mean, searching in advance.

 

I guess the one thing we will all learn is that NOTHING should surprise us -- sadly.

[Mejane]

I know. I have sort of believed CA accidentally killed her dd...but some of those internet searches are really :confused:. She searched 'shovel'. And how to break someone's neck I think. And chloraform. I don't know...she may have just cold bloodedly murdered her. If she did though, her 'story' wasn't very plausible....the Nanny took her. The non-existant Nanny.

 

It's possible she simply wanted her to go to sleep so she could go out and party, and may have overdosed her. It doesn't excuse it, but it could explain it. However, to then throw her body in a swamp and point the finger at her own parents... I don't think so.

[Paisley Hedgehog]

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[Scarlett]

If Caylee drowned, why the duct tape?

 

The whole thing is horrible, right down to the media circus. :sad:

 

I heard someone on one of those talk shows (Dr. Drew I think) say that lots of stuff 'comes out of' drowning victims...and maybe the tape was put there to prevent that. Such horrible details.

 

I am not sure why there would be duct tape over her mouth regardless of how she died. If she was overdosed on sedation drugs....still doesn't explain why duct tape would be placed on her mouth. Maybe it just ended up near her mouth? How could they really tell as far gone as the body was.

[MariannNOVA]

I heard someone on one of those talk shows (Dr. Drew I think) say that lots of stuff 'comes out of' drowning victims...and maybe the tape was put there to prevent that. Such horrible details.

 

I am not sure why there would be duct tape over her mouth regardless of how she died. If she was overdosed on sedation drugs....still doesn't explain why duct tape would be placed on her mouth. Maybe it just ended up near her mouth? How could they really tell as far gone as the body was.

 

OK -- my thoughts here are SO bizarre and so out there but I must share:

 

Do you remember the JonBenet Ramsey case? When her father found her in their cellar, there was duct tape on her mouth. Maybe it was the kind of detail that stuck in the murderer's mind and said individual decided to add the duct tape. Heinous -- but I certainly cannot claim to understand the mind of someone who could perpetrate such a crime.

[Cindyz]

I am not sure I am following you. She is accusing her father of being there when Caylee drowned. She is accusing her father of forcing her to cover it up. Clearly if he is innocent (and I believe he is) he KNOWS she is lying. So at that point, if my child was accusing ME of a crime....I just don't know how I could go on being 'supportive.' I am not sure WHAT I would do. I think I would want to no longer exist. And as soon as I typed that I remembered George's attempted suicide....wow. Just so sad.

 

Could I stand to know that my child was lying about me if I thought it would save him from the death penalty? Yes, I could. I don't agree with the death penalty and I would do whatever it took to save my child's life...even if he made terrible life altering mistakes.

[fairfarmhand]

a bit off topic...

 

does anyone know where the baby's daddy is?

[Scarlett]

Could I stand to know that my child was lying about me if I thought it would save him from the death penalty? Yes, I could. I don't agree with the death penalty and I would do whatever it took to save my child's life...even if he made terrible life altering mistakes.

 

Well, that is what Joy Behar said too. She said she would tell whatever lie she had to tell and accept whatever accusation she had to to save her child.

[Plucky]

a bit off topic...

 

does anyone know where the baby's daddy is?

 

I know this one! He is dead and never knew he was the dad.

[Cindyz]

I know. I have sort of believed CA accidentally killed her dd...but some of those internet searches are really :confused:. She searched 'shovel'. And how to break someone's neck I think. And chloraform. I don't know...she may have just cold bloodedly murdered her. If she did though, her 'story' wasn't very plausible....the Nanny took her. The non-existant Nanny.

 

Did they find chloroform evidence other than the internet searches? If so, I think that's a good indication. If not, internet searches don't necessarily point to guilt. There needs to be more than that. Sometimes I see a tv show or read an article and I will google things that I don't plan to do, I just want more information.

 

I remember when there was a post here about Amazon carrying a child pornographer's book and there were some terms I searched for that gave me pause. It doesn't mean I'm into child pornography.

[Scarlett]

I know this one! He is dead and never knew he was the dad.

 

Thank you! I had not heard that.

[Cindyz]

I know this one! He is dead and never knew he was the dad.

 

Really? Was their DNA evidence to prove the father. I always wondered who the father was as well.

[Scarlett]

Did they find chloroform evidence other than the internet searches? If so, I think that's a good indication. If not, internet searches don't necessarily point to guilt. There needs to be more than that. Sometimes I see a tv show or read an article and I will google things that I don't plan to do, I just want more information.

 

I remember when there was a post here about Amazon carrying a child pornographer's book and there were some terms I searched for that gave me pause. It doesn't mean I'm into child pornography.

 

I know I search for strange things sometimes...:tongue_smilie:

 

Supposedly they found high levels of chloraform in the trunk.

[Scarlett]

Really? Was their DNA evidence to prove the father. I always wondered who the father was as well.

 

Can't we just trust that Casey is telling the truth about who the father is? :glare: Oh wait---Casey and Truth...not compatible.

[MariannNOVA]

Well, that is what Joy Behar said too. She said she would tell whatever lie she had to tell and accept whatever accusation she had to to save her child.

 

 

 

Well that's fodder for a whole 'nother thread.

[Scarlett]

Well that's fodder for a whole 'nother thread.

 

What?....Joy Behar? Yeah, she gets on my nerves.

[MariannNOVA]

What?....Joy Behar? Yeah, she gets on my nerves.

 

thank you - I'm glad I'm not the only one. My mother likes her. :confused: Of course, my mother is incredibly heard of hearing so she probably doesn't hear most of what JB says. I think her positions on issues are incredibly knee-jerk -- but that's jmho.

[Plucky]

Really? Was their DNA evidence to prove the father. I always wondered who the father was as well.

 

No, I don't know that. I tried looking it up, but the amount of sources I'd have to go through is mind boggling. So, that may just be made up. :001_huh:

[Joker]

On another note, I am one of those parents who would stand by my child no matter their crime. I know that's difficult for some to swallow, but I do believe in unconditional love and would support my child getting the help they needed (included appropriate punishments if a terrible crime was committed).

 

If I recall correctly I think her mom did try this to an extent. I think after the 911 call about car smell she backtracked and said it just smelled like rotting food. I think I also remember at one point her mom even went so far as to say she actually spoke to her granddaughter on the phone once during that 30 days. (Not 100% sure but I think I remember the coverage at the beginning and she said this) It's one of the reasons the whole family seemed "off" to me. There were different stories being told and they weren't just coming from Casey.

[MariannNOVA]

If I recall correctly I think her mom did try this to an extent. I think after the 911 call about car smell she backtracked and said it just smelled like rotting food. I think I also remember at one point her mom even went so far as to say she actually spoke to her granddaughter on the phone once during that 30 days. (Not 100% sure but I think I remember the coverage at the beginning and she said this) It's one of the reasons the whole family seemed "off" to me. There were different stories being told and they weren't just coming from Casey.

 

I agree. I recall this as well. and, to me, they seemed 'off' right from the start.

[Jenny in Florida]

Could I stand to know that my child was lying about me if I thought it would save him from the death penalty? Yes, I could. I don't agree with the death penalty and I would do whatever it took to save my child's life...even if he made terrible life altering mistakes.

 

Mine was a completely different situation. I should emphasize that right up front. My child was a preschooler and had legitimately done nothing wrong. There was no crime at all, and she was not accused of anything.

 

However, we were in a situation with my extended family that was causing my kids, my daughter in particular, a lot of emotional pain. We tried all kinds of different strategies (even telling the truth!) to end it, but nothing worked. Finally, the court came down on our side, but only by blaming us for causing the problems.

 

And you know what? I was absolutely fine with it. I couldn't then and don't now care at all that there is an official judgement about what a terrible person and parent I am, because it protected my kids.

 

Now, if I knew or believed my child was guilty of something awful, I wouldn't lie to save him or her from prosecution. I would, though, do whatever I could, including risk or destroy my own reputation, to save his or her life.

[Cindyz]

Jenny,

 

You don't describe your exact situation, but I wonder if you'll feel the same way when your children are old enough to read the court records for themselves, and make their own INFORMED decisions about whatever it was you said and did to "protect" them? Using the excuse that they were "protecting" teh children from some unnamed harm is a common tool in custody and parental alienation cases.

 

At that point her children will be adults capable of forming a rational opinion based on their own experiences within their family which will mean a heck of a lot more than a few pages of court records.

[Scarlett]

Anyone watching live coverage? I just turned it back on. I know this Jose Baes...however you spell it....will have a fabulous career after this case....but wow! I guess because I believe her to be guilty I am having a hard time stomaching the garbage he is putting out there.

[lionfamily1999]

Anyone watching live coverage? I just turned it back on. I know this Jose Baes...however you spell it....will have a fabulous career after this case....but wow! I guess because I believe her to be guilty I am having a hard time stomaching the garbage he is putting out there.

Link?

[Scarlett]

Link?

 

Actual t.v. LOL Headline News.

[lionfamily1999]

Ah well.

 

Guess I'll have to wait for someone to youtube it.

[MariannNOVA]

Ah well.

 

Guess I'll have to wait for someone to youtube it.

 

 

try here:

 

http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/index.html

[unsinkable]

JulieB,

 

I don't know what your motiviation is but you might rethink what you wrote.

 

It reads as if you making an accusation of a long-time poster here.

[Jenny in Florida]

JulieB,

 

I don't know what your motiviation is but you might rethink what you wrote.

 

It reads as if you making an accusation of a long-time poster here.

 

Thank you.

 

It looks as if this person may have a problem with me personally, since he/she already went after me on another thread.

 

And I do wonder why he/she assumes this had to do with custody (which it didn't).

 

For the record: I did nothing dishonest or wrong. In fact, I didn't "do" anything. The judge simply didn't believe us.

 

And, having said that, I'm choosing not to engage further. This poster feels creepy to me.

[AuntieM]

"Just Visiting" versus 2800+ posts...

 

JulieB, watch your step.

[Virg]

I will say that the protecting of your child depends on the circumstances. I love my DSD very much but I also know what she is and what her motivations are in life. If it came down to my husband or her, or her against her child, or her vs her sibling, I would always take the other person's side. I think Casey's parents don't truly see her for what she is (allegedly of course), at least they didn't. They might by now.

 

I also agree with a pp that sociopaths are born not created. It is really sad to admit but the complete lack of moral compass even in a child is frightening. Watching Casey I see my DSD. If Casey is truly a sociopath (no way for me to know lol) they are VERY good at faking sadness and playing on other's sympathies. They will say ANYTHING to get themselves out of trouble. Even accuse loving parents of horrible things.