CLHCO Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 - my brother is super conservative and would never recycle. He thinks its all some gay-liberal conspiracy and if he starts recycling he is on a slippery slope to becoming one of those weirdo tree-huggers like me. He's the most conservative person I know IRL. :lol::lol::lol: There's one in every family, you realize this, don't you? He's yours. I do know of a few ultra "conservatives" like you describe but most of them turned their brains off long ago. You get that on both sides of the fence and don't help the cause of either side. My husband works with a woman who didn't understand why the government doesn't fix the economy by simply printing a million dollars for each family. :001_huh: Yeah, they're everywhere. That said, I have heard that some items are not as worth recycling as others due to the energy required for collection and processing - a worthy thing to investigate. Some like to take those numbers and over-generalize to make it seem like it's all a bunch of foolishness. People like your brother will eat that up instead of taking an honest look. I don't use recyclable bags from the grocery store, much to my mother-in-law's likely horror when she visits. However, I covet my grocery bags. I shop in bulk from grain places, Costco, and even buy at times from places like Vitamin Cottage, which does not offer bags. The grocery bags I get from the smaller trips to Safeway are about the right amount to use in small waste baskets and other trash needs through the house when I need them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philothea Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 That said, I have heard that some items are not as worth recycling as others due to the energy required for collection and processing - a worthy thing to investigate. Some like to take those numbers and over-generalize to make it seem like it's all a bunch of foolishness. People like your brother will eat that up instead of taking an honest look. The grocery bags I get from the smaller trips to Safeway are about the right amount to use in small waste baskets and other trash needs through the house when I need them. My sil is town administrator (like a mayor) of a small town. She told me that they are no longer recycling paper because there is too much of it. And in most towns it is ending up in the dump or sitting in storage because no one wants to buy it. I also use those plastic grocery bags for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vida Winter Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Right. There has to be balance. I think most conservatives want a non-poluted earth. I also think that some of the "environmental" stuff that goes on out there is politically motivated to shame and control people and their thinking. I think that is what conservatives react negatively to. Excactly. Also, the consequences of environmental laws are not well thought out. What may be fine in an urban setting may not make sense in a rural area. Here in Oregon the laws are made on the west side of the state and we are forced to deal with them on the eastern side. We do not depend on city services for roads (2 miles in any direction from my house), water, garbage, or mail. That means we are responsible for getting with our neighbors and figuring out how to maintain the roads - grading, gravel, snow plowing, and water system. We drive into town to pick up mail. We take our own garbage to the dump and recycle center. What we absolutely need is a large SUV for our large family and the ability to get in and out of here when the snow is deep. Have you ever gone on vacation and had to drive two vehicles? I hate that but it's what we had to do before we got the large SUV. We also have an old car we use for little trips to town - My 1986 Toyota Corolla that I bought brand new and still have, 237K miles on it and going strong. But we can't drive it in the winter - no clearance for deep snow. We deal with snow tire rules that have been made in Salem which has a completely different ecosystem. I think the date to have snow tires off (to save the roads) is April 1st. LOL.We typically have snowfall until mid June. We are actually thinking of getting a snowmobile so we can avoid being snowbound on certain days. I'm sure snowmobiles are not environmentally correct and on the short list of things to be banned. Ranchers out here (beef cattle country) are forced to be "tolerant" when their cattle are killed by wolves. If a mountain lion came near us in any type of threatening manner I would not hesitate to kill it regardless of the laws protecting it. Again -- laws made in Salem, consequences here. I imagine if they banned wood burning stoves people out here would keep using them. To sum it up, I think we are good stewards with a dose of reality thrown in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 (edited) Prowetlands & proprairie lands.... great.... my idea is that you sould rally support and BUY that land. Not manipulate gov't to seize it and the poor farmer lose his family heritage & livelyhood. Buy it & honor private property... conservation, cultural preservation & property right protection!!!:) I agree. Exactly as Ducks Unlimited frequently does so that we may continue to hunt the land for future generations. Responsible landuse frequently leads to conservation. Hunting clubs all over the States have preserved millions of acres. Edited September 20, 2009 by pqr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elaine Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 And I see we have some sour grapes in the tags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 (edited) And I see we have some sour grapes in the tags. Especially the one "polluter" The argument of the left, that somehow conservatives want poor air, poisonous water, no animals, no trees, and to strip mine the entire planet, is symptomatic of most of their other arguments. It demonstrates a complete lack of reason and logic and ignores facts in favor of emotion and feeds a need to somehow demonstrate a higher level of humanism than their perceived opponents. Edited September 19, 2009 by pqr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrissiK Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Of course conservatives recycle, but for a different reason. I recycle bottles and cans because of societal pressure - but I also recycle my vegetable peelings in the compost bin because I want my garden to be awesome, my kids and I all wear recycled (aka hand-me-down) clothes because I'm cheap and I'd rather spend my money on other things (plus, I can get second hand designer clothes I'd never be able to afford otherwise). The root of conservative is "conserve" and that's what we do. Our family conserves our resources so we can take care of ourselves, and in that conservation of our resources are are also not using up the earth's resources. We take care of our paid off car and will drive it till it kicks off. We don't re-decorate every 5 years or buy every new gadget that comes on the line. True conservatives are the true environmentalists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philothea Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 but I also recycle my vegetable peelings in the compost bin because I want my garden to be awesome, my kids and I all wear recycled (aka hand-me-down) clothes because I'm cheap and I'd rather spend my money on other things (plus, I can get second hand designer clothes I'd never be able to afford otherwise). The root of conservative is "conserve" and that's what we do. Our family conserves our resources so we can take care of ourselves, and in that conservation of our resources are are also not using up the earth's resources. We take care of our paid off car and will drive it till it kicks off. We don't re-decorate every 5 years or buy every new gadget that comes on the line. True conservatives are the true environmentalists! Sounds just like us! However, we're going to have to be even more thrifty when our taxes skyrocket to pay for other people to live in more comfort and do less work, while we work hard, scrape and save to get by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheryl Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Most definately I am a conservative/republican, always!!! From social, political, fiscal etc. Pro-life, same sex marriage, sahm, homeschool, power to the people/less government, etc type of woman describes me. It's right for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnM Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Pretty moderate here. Just right enough to tick off my liberal friends and just left enough to tick off my conservative friends. I can't handle extremes on either end. I am more fiscally conservative I would say, but more socially liberal???? But even there I can name a few things I am "right wing" about.....like abortion. Let's see. I have voted 7 times. 5 Republican and 2 Dem. Dawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie in OR Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 I do have a problem with environmentalists putting the earth before human welfare. Animals are important but not as important as humans. Yep. We have a couple of different friends who had lost their jobs due to The Spotted Owl issue and other protectionist laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma23peas Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 I agree, true conservatives are true conservationists! :) We keep our cars for 15-20 years...my Dad's car is 21 years old and my mom's is 18, we're the baby with an 11 year old car! :) Tara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erica in PA Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Asking respectfully: Do conservatives recycle? And is recycling a political choice? I know many liberals self-identify as being environmentally active and aware, but does this exclude conservatives? Are there proud conservative environmentalists? We recycle voluntarily. There's no pick-up for recycled materials here, so my dh drives our stuff to the recycling site. Having family members with asthma, I know the value of clean air. Having grown up with a cold stream running through my backyard that I sometimes drank directly from, I value clean water and would love everyone to have access to it. That said, I don't call myself environmentalist because it's a politically charged term with too many negative connotations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtroad Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Of course conservatives recycle, but for a different reason. I recycle bottles and cans because of societal pressure - but I also recycle my vegetable peelings in the compost bin because I want my garden to be awesome, my kids and I all wear recycled (aka hand-me-down) clothes because I'm cheap and I'd rather spend my money on other things (plus, I can get second hand designer clothes I'd never be able to afford otherwise). The root of conservative is "conserve" and that's what we do. Our family conserves our resources so we can take care of ourselves, and in that conservation of our resources are are also not using up the earth's resources. We take care of our paid off car and will drive it till it kicks off. We don't re-decorate every 5 years or buy every new gadget that comes on the line. True conservatives are the true environmentalists! You Rock!!!!! awesome post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phathui5 Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Asking respectfully: Do conservatives recycle? And is recycling a political choice? I know many liberals self-identify as being environmentally active and aware, but does this exclude conservatives? Are there proud conservative environmentalists? I recycle and breastfeed. We used cloth diapers, so as not to clog up landfills. We clean with Seventh Generation and Mrs Meyers stuff. We buy food at Whole Foods and Trader Joe's when we can... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessedwithboys Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Count me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie in OR Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 This was the first business I started, I was 11. I found an abandoned grocery cart in the woods and would wheel it to my "customers" a few times a week collecting their papers. Once a month my father would drive me to the recycling center. I was so proud of myself that first summer when I did my own school clothes shopping. :lol:Now that's my kinda gal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debbie in OR Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 (edited) Of course conservatives recycle, but for a different reason. I recycle bottles and cans because of societal pressure - but I also recycle my vegetable peelings in the compost bin because I want my garden to be awesome, my kids and I all wear recycled (aka hand-me-down) clothes because I'm cheap and I'd rather spend my money on other things (plus, I can get second hand designer clothes I'd never be able to afford otherwise). The root of conservative is "conserve" and that's what we do. Our family conserves our resources so we can take care of ourselves, and in that conservation of our resources are are also not using up the earth's resources. We take care of our paid off car and will drive it till it kicks off. We don't re-decorate every 5 years or buy every new gadget that comes on the line. True conservatives are the true environmentalists! :iagree:(And can I say: I want to be just.like.you.:001_smile:) We love our free market and competition and all that (we are uber-conservatives, after all!). But I struggle with over-consuming. We just sold our 16 year old Jeep and bought a car (paid off) that will last another 16-20 years. We could afford to shop at other stores but we always, always hit the thrift stores first. Nothing gets replaced until it is DOA. We use both sides of a piece of paper before it gets recycled, write lists and notes on the backs of used envelopes, keep lights turned off, don't run water while we are brushing our teeth, ride our bikes instead of using the car as much as possible (although we live in a teeny-tiny town), find creative ways of re-purposing things, and I do wash my ziploc baggies over and over...nothing over-the-top here, it's all easy and no one gets hurt! Edited September 20, 2009 by Debbie in OR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineFarmMom Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I'm conservative. I grew up in a conservative/republican household and was a member of young republicans as a teen. When I decided to take Christ seriously and started to REALLY read my Bible (as an adult), I decided I would re-evaluate each belief I had had from childhood. I still consider myself a conservative, after the threshing I took my beliefs through. ;) There are a few things I am more on the liberal side on, but not many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineFarmMom Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I no longer call myself a Republican as there are precious few Republicans that represent my views. I am a Conservative. I am ultra-conservative. Some might even call me a Right Wing Extremist, a title I proudly wear. I am very conservative on social issues. I hate big government. I love the free market and *gasp* capitalism. In short, Ronald Reagan is my hero!:D I'm so there with you. I agree with all you said. Ronald Reagan, IMO, is the best president this country has had in at least the past 100 years!! One thing I am most upset about with the "Republicans" is that they had an 8-year opportunity to make many, very positive changes and they absolutely let that opportunity slide by. They should have done, on the conservative end, what is being done on the liberal end right now...push, push, push through conservative policies while they had the chance and made some major, positive changes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 . Ronald Reagan, IMO, is the best president this country has had in at least the past 100 years!! I do miss President Reagan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauracolumbus Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Our country's leading conservationist in terms of land preservation was Teddy Roosevelt-a Republican. Think about the 'Greatest Generation.' They grew up b4 plastic took over the world and learned the real reason for recycling--not b/c it's politically correct, but b/c it was a necessity. Yet, even after it was no longer a necessity, they continued to recycle. And most that I know are still pretty conservative in other ways. Laura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth in SW WA Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Our country's leading conservationist in terms of land preservation was Teddy Roosevelt-a Republican. He helped usher in the progressive movement in the 20th century -- a socialist agenda of progressive taxation :(. This conservative is not a big Teddy fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth in SW WA Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I do miss President Reagan. Me, too. Isn't it a shame that public school children will most likely NOT learn about this patriot? My kids will know Reagan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineFarmMom Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Me, too. Isn't it a shame that public school children will most likely NOT learn about this patriot? My kids will know Reagan. Mine too!! We studied the 1900s last year and had some great discussions about him and all he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLHCO Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 He helped usher in the progressive movement in the 20th century --a socialist agenda of progressive taxation :(. This conservative is not a big Teddy fan. I would have to agree with this. The turn of the century through the first 40 or so years saw a lot of mucking around with our system and the role of government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karenciavo Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Mine too!! We studied the 1900s last year and had some great discussions about him and all he did. We get to him this year. I can't wait. :D Just finished TR and Taft :thumbdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlowetx Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I think this thread (and the liberal one) solidifies my point that the two party system is creating more of a divide between people of different beliefs. It forces people to identify with only 1 party - that may not thoroughly agree with all your views.. then the name calling starts and the assumptions happen.. "if you recycle, you are a socialist".. "if you are a capitalist, you want to cut all the trees down and drill in every national park". It seems there is a large group of us who are very individual and just want to be left alone.. thus why I call myself a libertarian. I believe the states, and the local people have the only right to create laws that identify themselves...gay marriage, abortion, taxes, required recycling, schools, etc. We teach our son about all religion, we teach evolution and creation, we teach tolerance and compassion and giving, we teach taking care of our environment and deep appreciation for all animals, and we believe we have the right to defend ourselves (yes, with guns) and live off our land (through hunting and drilling), I have many gay friends and wish them the best in their pursuit of long-term relationships and rights, and I hate hate hate progressive taxes...my views on abortion are very mixed and I am very glad I'm not a politician.;). I'm tired of the slinging insults on both sides and the assumptions that if you believe one way, you must believe in something else.. So we're in-between, but will be very happy when libertarians can actually have an impact on getting the government back to its constitutional roots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping In Puddles Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Our country's leading conservationist in terms of land preservation was Teddy Roosevelt-a Republican. Think about the 'Greatest Generation.' They grew up b4 plastic took over the world and learned the real reason for recycling--not b/c it's politically correct, but b/c it was a necessity. Yet, even after it was no longer a necessity, they continued to recycle. And most that I know are still pretty conservative in other ways. Laura If I may butt in (Liberal here :)) I think Teddy Roosevelt's conservation efforts is a wonderful gift to those of us (left and right) who value the natural landscape of this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marylou Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 and since it's been mentioned, I do recycle....however, it bugs me when we pay a deposit on sodas in MI (visit family there) that I will never get back, even though i will be recycling the bottles/cans in NC..... We moved last year from MI to IN. Although I lived in "the city" in Michigan I NEVER saw a bottle or can littering the streets. At least not one that had any grass growing under it! Now I'm here in IN living in cast farmland, and I see DOZENS of discarded cans and bottles along the irrigation ditches of the roads. They are such an eyesore. They could be recycled, but they're not. Even thought the deposit system is a pain, and sometimes you don't get your money back, it sure keeps the roads cleaner. Maybe next time you're in MI you can buy 100% fruit juices. I don't think they have the deposit OR the obesity taxes, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elaine Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 One thing I am most upset about with the "Republicans" is that they had an 8-year opportunity to make many, very positive changes and they absolutely let that opportunity slide by. They should have done, on the conservative end, what is being done on the liberal end right now...push, push, push through conservative policies while they had the chance and made some major, positive changes!! I know. I am completely underwhelmed by the Republicans. They all need to grow a man sized set of huevos.;) We need to get rid of everyone and start from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babysparkler Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Count me in! :seeya: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineFarmMom Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I don't know how old your kids are, but I hope they'll eventually learn how active he was in the Iran Contra, also. That's a very interesting topic. Thanks so much for your concern. :D We're thorough and thoroughly respect Reagan!! We also thoroughly covered the Clinton years, but so much of that was rated R that I did have to be careful with my youngers. Eye-opening contrasts, to say the least!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jejily Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I'm all wee-wee'ed up just reading this thread! Must be the season! I am proudly: Pro American Pro Constitution Pro Capitalism/Free Markets (duh!) Pro Fiscal Discipline (small govt) Pro Life Pro Family Pro Strong National Defense Pro Personal Responsibility Anti: Big Government (Boo! Hiss!) Nanny State Socialized Medicine Government interference in the private sector Open Borders Gun control Taxation without Representation State-controlled Media :iagree: If forced to self-identify, I would call myself a conservative Constitutionalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth in SW WA Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 I know. I am completely underwhelmed by the Republicans. They all need to grow a man sized set of huevos.;) We need to get rid of everyone and start from scratch. Word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaNY Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I'm a conservative!! (Not a Republican) I used to be a Democrat (Heck, I voted for Dukakis!) but the party left me, really. I began identifying myself as a "conservative voter" back in 1992, after the first Clinton election. :D Yep! Same exact story here! (I was way liberal in my early years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philothea Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Ah, but you didn't answer the question. What's the name for that in the logic books?? Yes, Clinton was scummy, but why are you assuming I cared about him? Clinton has zero to do with Reagan's involvement in Iran-Contra, something that's having huge repercussions even today. I was merely wondering if you chose to let your kids know the good and the bad about a person, being open minded and all. No need for guttersniping. I'm not sure why you are so interested in what other people are teaching their children, it is their business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaNY Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Ah, but you didn't answer the question. What's the name for that in the logic books?? Yes, Clinton was scummy, but why are you assuming I cared about him? Clinton has zero to do with Reagan's involvement in Iran-Contra, something that's having huge repercussions even today. I was merely wondering if you chose to let your kids know the good and the bad about a person, being open minded and all. No need for guttersniping. I read Caspar Weinberger's autobiography. While he makes no attempt to whitewash what had happened, he also gives what I feel to be a very honest view of what actually happened during that time. I would not be so quick to demonize Reagan here. I still believe that his true intentions were to free the hostages. I would also add that the Independent Counsel assigned to this case definitely had an agenda. The Independent Counsel law (which is noted in the book as running counter to every tenet upon which democracy is built) was allowed to expire in 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elaine Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I read Caspar Weinberger's autobiography. While he makes no attempt to whitewash what had happened, he also gives what I feel to be a very honest view of what actually happened during that time. I would not be so quick to demonize Reagan here. I still believe that his true intentions were to free the hostages. I would also add that the Independent Counsel assigned to this case definitely had an agenda. The Independent Counsel law (which is noted in the book as running counter to every tenet upon which democracy is built) was allowed to expire in 1999. Yep.:001_smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in FL Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Asking respectfully: Do conservatives recycle? And is recycling a political choice? I know many liberals self-identify as being environmentally active and aware, but does this exclude conservatives? Are there proud conservative environmentalists? Yes, some of us recycle (and do a lot of other environmental things). To me it's about what the government MAKES you do. I don't believe the federal government should impose recycling on everyone. I do see it as a personal choice. If you want recycling and convince a lot of your neighbors to also want it, great, your community can start recycling. If the town down the road doesn't want it, your community should not force it to. Not only do we recycle most of our garbage, but I also look for things made with recycled products (which I think is more important, to create a market for those things recycled). I don't believe in global warming (I used to, but like many scientists, I've come to see it as a political tool). I really believe that a lot of the things the federal government has tried to impose for the "environment" has caused more harm. Look at California, the farmers have no crops this year, all because of a little fish (they can't get water because of a fish). Look at toilets, the newer ones use less water per flush, but often you have to flush them twice to get everything down (using more water). When I lived in MI anyone building a house went to Canada for their toilet! Thank you fed government. We just went on vacation for a week, they had a water saving shower head, thanks to my long hair it took me three times the amount of time to shower there (using more water). We've moved our shower head to four different homes because you can NOT buy one that will allow the water to flow as fast as that one. In a free market I could buy a toilet here that worked better (I'm on a septic and well, the water I flush gets recycled on it's own). I believe in personal choice, not government mandates. The government should not dictate how crunchy we should be. That's the real difference in my opinion, to me that's what freedom is, the choices we make without interference from the government. Melissa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura in VA Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I used to be a Democrat. My younger son (when he was a baby) was even kissed by Bill Clinton :ack2:. I had a "Vote Against Hate, Vote Against Helms" bumper sticker on my car. :rolleyes: I was woefully uninformed. I've been a conservative for about 15 years. Pro-life, pro-2nd amendent, pro-Constitution, anti-gays in the military, anti-women in the military, etc., etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRAAB Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I read Caspar Weinberger's autobiography. While he makes no attempt to whitewash what had happened, he also gives what I feel to be a very honest view of what actually happened during that time. I would not be so quick to demonize Reagan here. I still believe that his true intentions were to free the hostages. I would also add that the Independent Counsel assigned to this case definitely had an agenda. The Independent Counsel law (which is noted in the book as running counter to every tenet upon which democracy is built) was allowed to expire in 1999. I remember proudly going to the polls to vote in my first presidential election and casting my vote for Ronald Reagan (Nov. 1979 - seems long ago) and again four years later. Although my political leanings have changed somewhat, I still have the great admiration and respect for Ronald Reagan. I do believe he had the best of intentions. And I'm still proud that I voted for him - twice at that. That book has been on my 'to-read' list for some time; I think I need to actually read it. Janet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayfromcleveland Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I was always pro-life 1973 following the Roe v. Wade decision, after my mom explained to me at age 11 that abortion meant killing a baby in the womb. I was mostly liberal in high school, during the Carter administration. However, after after observing weakness and incomptence of Jimmy Carter, including double-digit inflation and 444 days of hostages in Iran, I was very happy to cast my very first vote for Ronald Reagan in 1980. Though I became born again that same year, I clung to liberal ideas for several more years. I became a true conservative during college days in the early 80s when, for the first time, I took a critical look at the liberal ideas that had been force-fed to me by the public schools and the media, and which I had uncritically accepted. In other words, I realized I was brainwashed. It was as though the scales fell from my eyes. In the years since, it has become evident that the media and the schools have been downloading liberalism into the naive brains of American youth since at least the early 60s. All young liberals have done ever since is merely run the downloaded program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remudamom Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MelBell Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Just joined so this my first post, but I thought I'd put it out there. I'm completely Conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma23peas Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Just joined so this my first post, but I thought I'd put it out there. I'm completely Conservative. Welcome MelBell...we lived next to Puget Sound for 2 years...I have to admit, it was pretty hard to find conservatives in that area....so I give you kudos for staking your claim in conservatism! :) Tara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth in SW WA Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 (edited) Just joined so this my first post, but I thought I'd put it out there. I'm completely Conservative. Yes, Welcome MelBell! You picked a great thread to dive into! Blue-state Conservatives Unite! Edited September 21, 2009 by Beth in SW WA typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineFarmMom Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 (edited) Dot, my original response to your response was fairly laced with sarcasm and snarky. I walked away and realized I shouldn't have answered in that way so I'm starting the reply over again. I felt I did answer your question by saying we did study Reagan, the good and the bad. My high opinion remains intact. When I go by my own political viewpoint and leanings, my own world view, etc., I would say that I see Reagan as someone who did more to affect positive changes in the things that "I" believe in. I do realize, though, that I may not think that way if I had liberal leanings. Further, I was responding on a conservative thread to conservatives. Edited September 21, 2009 by Texas T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping In Puddles Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 I took a critical look at the liberal ideas that had been force-fed to me by the public schools and the media, and which I had uncritically accepted. In other words, I realized I was brainwashed. It was as though the scales fell from my eyes. In the years since, it has become evident that the media and the schools have been downloading liberalism into the naive brains of American youth since at least the early 60s. All young liberals have done ever since is merely run the downloaded program. You are saying that all liberals are brainwashed? :confused: There are many liberals who can look at issues and make up their own mind on where they stand. Just because we disagree with you does not mean it is because we are not thinking for ourselves. FTR, not all schools are liberal. Although I grew up in NJ, the town that I went to school and the school system was thoroughly Conservative, Catholic and Republican. The college I went to in WV also had a conservative bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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