From Henry V WESTMORELAND O that we now had here But one ten thousand of those men in England That do no work to-day! KING. What's he that wishes so? If we are mark'd to die, we are enow To do our country loss; and if to live, The fewer men, the greater share of honour. God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more. By Jove, I am not covetous for gold, Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost; It yearns me not if men my garments wear; Such outward things dwell not in my desires. But if it be a sin to covet honour, I am the most offending soul alive. No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England. God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour As one man more methinks would share from me For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more! Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host, That he which hath no stomach to this fight, Let him depart; his passport shall be made, And crowns for convoy put into his purse; We would not die in that man's company That fears his fellowship to die with us. This day is call'd the feast of Crispian. He that outlives this day, and comes safe home, Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd, And rouse him at the name of Crispian. He that shall live this day, and see old age, Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours, And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.' Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars, And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.' Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember, with advantages, What feats he did that day. Then shall our names, Familiar in his mouth as household words- Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter, Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester- Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red. This story shall the good man teach his son; And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remembered- We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition; And gentlemen in England now-a-bed Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

Nothing, but then again I do not charge them for food and board so assistance around the house is expected. I would deem it a poor precedent were I to pay children for assisting with the upkeep of the house.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/07/19/world-oldest-bra-found-in-medieval-austrian-castle/?intcmp=features An interesting story

I am most glad to see that the Mt Vernon Ladies Association won the volume. It goes to a place that it belongs. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/22/george-washington-personal-copy-constitution-ready-to-hit-auction-block/

Just about anything by the incomparable Kipling. Gunga Din and If or course there is also Shelly and Prometheus Unbound To suffer woes which Hope thinks infinite; To forgive wrongs darker than death or night; To defy Power, which seems omnipotent; To love, and bear; to hope till Hope creates From its own wreck the thing it contemplates; Neither to change, nor falter, nor repent; This, like thy glory, Titan, is to be Good, great and joyous, beautiful and free; This is alone Life, Joy, Empire, and Victory.

I admit that I also listed community service but what does one do when they refuse? What does one do when the assigned task is not performed or performed badly? You speak about "heavy handed adult supervision" but these children may be too far gone. They have lost respect for adults. Now a 200 lb ex Marine (and that type) may be able to put the fear of God into them but that is because of the implied threat of violence. It is easy to say well "I would explain to them" but I am not sure that it is not too late for that.

Well, it did work, we had remarkably few problems. Students were polite, homework was done, we learned what we were supposed to and frankly the school was a great place to be. Everything that American public schools are frequently not! As to the other part of your comment.....beyond it being simply ludicrous, you realize that you are now accusing all parents who spank a 10 year old of sexual assault as well as groups like the Government of Singapore . It is no wonder that many people smirk (or openly laugh) at psychobabble when comments such as that are made. You really argue that a father who spanks his 10 year old is sexually assaulting him? How about if the boy is 9years, 11 months and 28 days? You know how very insulting you are being towards the parents of many on this board as well as many posters and frankly how very very silly.

I went to a school where 15 year olds faced corporal punishment.....believe me it worked. I also remember the case of Michale Fay (18 and caned in Singapore for theft and vandalism.........one thing about Singapore....there is not much vandalism http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/singapore-lashes-out-at-caning-critics-1372049.html). What was ridiculous was all the hand-wringing in the States over this, kid got exactly what he asked for. I think a spanking for these punks would be well deserved.

They can be made to apologize, but it will mean nothing. The vicious cruelty exhibited by those on the bus excludes any ability for commiseration or feeling for their victim. What is a little scary is that people seem to believe that if the kids say sorry that they mean it. Are we that gullible?

The truth is that your children would not behave like this. What was seen on the bus was the result of decades of coddling, of telling children "You are special", of refusal to adhere to basic standards of morality, of abandoning any standards of behavior, of removing all threat of punishment, of psychobabble rather than parenting, of screeching every time a parent spanks his child, of condemning the good kids when they stand up to the bad ones. This is the world that the "experts" demanded when they decided that they knew better than a parent how to raise children, when psychobabble became the norm. These kids do not need a counselor, they will never understand why they were wrong, all that we can hope for is that when they leave school fear of real punishment will keep them from straying....but that is, alas, a forlorn hope. Of course this is a wider problem, it is not just the way we raise children but society as a whole that faces enormous problems. A society that also refuses to maintain standards, that expects someone else to take responsibility for one's every need, that has discarded personal responsibility and accountability, that makes excuses for outrageous behavior.....well what did we really expect?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/public_educa_shun_on_teacher_grades_4SuNK6ZEpaWHlspJmdA8DN

1. We need corporal punishment back. 2. There has always been scum in schools but when I went through there were also large numbers of good kids. We would have stepped in (after we recovered from the shock, such a thing was inconceivable back then). Of course today smacking one of those punks around would get the good student in trouble. ....of course we (the taxpayer) will be keeping them in welfare or prison for years to come. Yet another PS success story!!!

Good,

Without a doubt.....rabbit. If you do not like it you can always eat it, rabbits are tasty :-)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/16/african-americans-increasingly-turn-to-home-schooling/?test=latestnews

We are very strict on the numbers of books we have, it becomes an imperative. We have NO MORE BOOKS than can fit: under the roof, including the garage and any outbuildings (of course exceptions need be made for those that are being stored with family and friends) You have to toe the line on this or else books stored outside can be damaged by the elements. Books can be double stacked and if you buy wide shelves they can be triple stacked. There is always room on the bedside table, underneath beds and those wonderful plastic stacking boxes can take dozens. (I do recommend buying the 18 gallon boxes as the larger ones can get heavy). As I said hold the line or else you can become overwhelmed. One can never have too many books (that is just silliness) but one may run out of space to store them. I have been mulling over the idea of moving the kids into tents in the backyard, that should free up some extra space......

Well done.

Absolutely.

Then you understood, from 12, the message that he is trying to get out. QED

I do not really see a difference. A kid on food stamps is having his lunch given to him, for many that will stop (or should stop) upon graduation. Being on food stamps does not make one special anymore than living in a wealthy neighborhood.The only difference is that the kid on food stamps is less likely to go to college so reality will hit all the faster. Look to the lines and ask does this apply to many (not all but many) on assistance. “Yes, capable adults with other things to do have held you, kissed you", in many cases yes. No need to state the obvious in that many poor are not held or kissed enough but many are. "fed you," frequently it is the US taxpayer, at least it is true in the 49% you mentioned. "wiped your mouth, wiped your bottom" again in many cases yes. , "trained you, taught you, tutored you, coached you," hopefully parents but failing that the Teacher's Union claims to do this (unless they are not telling the truth) "listened to you, counseled you, encouraged you, consoled you and encouraged you again" parents, teachers and the psychobabble counselors that now seem to inhabit many schools, speakers brought in, the add council.......... "You've been nudged, cajoled, wheedled and implored. You've been feted and fawned over and called sweetie pie. ..." see above. ... But do not get the idea you're anything special. Because you're not." The cold truth and something that the less economically privileged need to learn perhaps more than those whose parents can keep trowing money at them. Opportunity exists but these kids need to work for it and ones who have been raised on the public's largesse need this lesson all the more.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1680723600001/97-year-old-high-school-grad/?playlist_id=86856

He is a teacher in the school; I suspect he knows a great deal about many of the individual students..

I think you are spot on, one need listen to the speech. It is superb.

Something is wrong in the world when Mergath and I are in agreement. Now we need determine who will change their mind; as long as it is not both of us because then we would have the same problem.