Angiegal Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I'm pretty sold on WWE, however I'm stumped what to use for grammar (third grade). What should we use, R&S, FLL or Growing with Grammar? Thoughts anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquinas Academy Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 What are you looking for in a grammar curriculum? Do you have a certain educational philosophy you follow? How does your child learn best? I use Primary Language Lessons because I love the gentle CM approach. If you're planning to use WWE, you may well like FLL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommyto4 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 We love FLL. We have also used MCT Island Level and liked that too. However, I like the ease of teaching FLL and it's price:)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyCamper Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 We are huge MCT fans here. It depends on how much parent teacher time you want to devote to language arts, but it is a terrific complete curriculum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 FLL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angiegal Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 I have a son that just turned 10 - speech delay, dyslexic, struggling with spelling and writing in particular. We finished BJU English 2 last year. I have started WWE level 1 but it is too easy. I'm going to go up to level 2 and go double speed. We are also doing AAS 2 now. My son who just turned 8 is advanced with spelling, but has not done much with writing yet either. He finished BJU English 2 last year as well. I like the easy approach to WWE. They love listening to the passages, etc. I guess I should just jump in with FLL. I have started, but the first two levels seem too easy I was planning to start with level 3, but before I bought it I did some more research. It seemed like so many more people liked rod and staff better. I got confused as to what to do. I have two other children 5 & 1. So my time is somewhat limited. I keep picking curriculum that is very instructor intensive (Rightstart math, AAS, WWE, Teaching my 5 year old to ad, etc.) Does this information help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perogi Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I'm using WWE and GWG but I'm starting to think that there is a lack of retention with GWG and I'm eyeing FLL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angiegal Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 I meant teaching my 5 year old to READ. I haven't gotten the hang of typing on my iPad yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadianmumof5 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I'm using WWE and GWG but I'm starting to think that there is a lack of retention with GWG and I'm eyeing FLL. :iagree: I want to go back to FLL but Miss Muffet is not having any of that :glare: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perogi Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 :iagree: I want to go back to FLL but Miss Muffet is not having any of that :glare: I thought I could maybe do FLL 2 with dd 8yo and 6yo together but when I mentioned it to my 8yo she wasn't thrilled. I spent a bit of time looking at the Level 2 samples tonight and I'm not sure...I don't want the poetry memorization (we're doing something else) or the copywork (enough in WWE and ARFH). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam112198 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 R&S! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewelma Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 KISS grammar, available free online. Great program. We LOVE it. Ruth in NZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnrmom Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I love FLL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 For grammar only, my favorite is Easy Grammar. It doesn't do diagramming, but that's fine with me. I like R&S's English series, but it is more than just grammar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehogs4 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 FLL...we are now doing the Bridge to the Latin Road, and I'm realizing what a solid foundation we got with FLL. I miss it. I need to make this change because I plan to go on to the Latin Road to English Grammar, but really, their methods are super. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktgrok Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I've used Growing with Grammar and First Language Lessons. First Language Lessons wins, hands down. My son was retaining NOTHING with GWG. He really has it down with FLL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warneral Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I originally was doing GWG and it "clicks" with my daughter b/c she is a natural with Language Arts. I also purchased FLL and was starting that. I did test 2 on GWG3 with DS and he bombed it! Even missing subject, predicate and what verbs are :rolleyes:. I decided to drop GWG for him and stick with FLL. They both do FLL3 together and they both like interacting with me. It's usually pretty quick and painless. My ds is an audio learner. When he was doing GWG he was just looking at the examples to answer the questions without really understanding what it was teaching. If we weren't already liking FLL, I would have started going over the lesson verbally with him. DD still loves GWG2 and she had the option to drop it but said she would do it at the end of the school day LOL. They both really like FLL3. Sorry for rambling... You could probably make any program work. It is nice that GWG has tests so you can see if they are getting the concepts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketgirl Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Abeka Grammar is perfect for my 6th grader. My youngers love their grammar books although it seems a little on the easy side for them (my 6th grader is defintely not finding it easy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinD Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 We love Cozy Grammar (http://splashesfromtheriver.com/) around here. They sent us a review copy this spring and we got hooked! It's like visiting your grandma for a chat about grammar. We plan to continue with it all the way through. (I'm not an affiliate! Just really enjoy it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morosophe Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 We're using Rod and Staff, and I really like it. It's fairly quick, gentle, and you can easily skip the non-grammar lessons. I do stick with going over the assignment orally, often, just because my son does enough writing elsewhere in his day. (Plus, I sometimes do odds or evens, or only the questions that make sense considering our homeschool setting, or only one of the two exercises given, etc.) But if you decided to fall on the "not enough time" side of things instead of the "my child has been writing too much today," then you can certainly assign them the assignments. I've done that a time or two--there's no better way to pound some kinds of rules into a child's head then making them spend the time needed to sweat them out in ink. As caveats to some things I said in the last paragraph: we are in the first book, R&S English 2. Apparently they get more difficult later on. (Of course, later on, your children will presumably be literate enough to read and write things on their own.) Also, the last section of the book is on dictionary usage, and so forth, and I'm going to do that even though it isn't strictly "grammar," because that content isn't really covered elsewhere in our school lessons. If you do decide on using R&S English 2, don't worry too much about the instructor's manual. It's one of those where the lessons are so easy that you really don't need it. (I have it, because I bought used at the local homeschool resale shop, but I only use it when my son has had enough of sitting next to me on the couch, and would rather sit across from me on the other couch.) I am never going to be using R&S English as my composition component--there's just not enough there. Right now, we're sticking with WWE, which is working just fine for my son, much though he's beginning to resent "summarizing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiver0f10 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I have a son that just turned 10 - speech delay, dyslexic, struggling with spelling and writing in particular. We finished BJU English 2 last year. I have started WWE level 1 but it is too easy. I'm going to go up to level 2 and go double speed. We are also doing AAS 2 now. My son who just turned 8 is advanced with spelling, but has not done much with writing yet either. He finished BJU English 2 last year as well. I like the easy approach to WWE. They love listening to the passages, etc. I guess I should just jump in with FLL. I have started, but the first two levels seem too easy I was planning to start with level 3, but before I bought it I did some more research. It seemed like so many more people liked rod and staff better. I got confused as to what to do. I have two other children 5 & 1. So my time is somewhat limited. I keep picking curriculum that is very instructor intensive (Rightstart math, AAS, WWE, Teaching my 5 year old to ad, etc.) Does this information help? My 12 yo is dyslexic and we are using WWE and FLL. We used R&S orally last year and Winston the year before. I really like FLL and there is plenty of review built into each lesson. The is some writing, but it isn't overwhelming. We plan to stick with it long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy_overman Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I have a question for the WWE and FLL lovers - my son REALLY struggles to learn anything auditory. He has all types of auditory processing issues. We tried a few lessons in FLL, and although I love it - he got nothing out of it. My question is: how do you make it work with a boy who has auditory processing issues (and hates to write)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momto2Cs Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 We're using Intermediate and Primary Language Lessons as our main writing programs. After winter break, I plan on adding in The Sentence Family and Ruth Heller's series World of Language. Next fall, we'll review with Grammar-Land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrissiK Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 We're using R & S for 3rd grade and it's going very well. But, my kids do well with the linear, no-frills approach. DS1 is a very mathematical, linear thinker. He gets grammar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodland_Mom Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 We loved FLL for several reasons: short lessons, diagramming work begins in 3rd grade, poetry memorization, auditory learning, plenty repetition/memorization, and EASY to use. FLL was easy to GET DONE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlestonmom03 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 We loved FLL for several reasons: short lessons, diagramming work begins in 3rd grade, poetry memorization, auditory learning, plenty repetition/memorization, and EASY to use. FLL was easy to GET DONE! We love FLL too, for all these reasons. Combined with WWE, it is our perfect language arts program.:001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsplaymath Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 KISS grammar, available free online. Great program. We LOVE it. Ruth in NZ I second this! I've tried several grammars, though by no means all of them, and KISS Grammar is the only one I will ever recommend: The Primary KISS Difference — A Grammar with an End Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iona Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I have a question for the WWE and FLL lovers - my son REALLY struggles to learn anything auditory. He has all types of auditory processing issues. We tried a few lessons in FLL, and although I love it - he got nothing out of it. My question is: how do you make it work with a boy who has auditory processing issues (and hates to write)? I'm not sure, so I'm bumping your question to see if anyone else has any suggestions. You may need to start a new thread if this gets buried.:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaMa2005 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 FLL and Shurley English Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grace'smom Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I have a question for the WWE and FLL lovers - my son REALLY struggles to learn anything auditory. He has all types of auditory processing issues. We tried a few lessons in FLL, and although I love it - he got nothing out of it. My question is: how do you make it work with a boy who has auditory processing issues (and hates to write)? :lurk5::lurk5: My daughter has auditory processing issues as well. We use Phonics Road and this year it's just spelling, but I wonder how things will go as time goes by... I look forward to hearing the responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlychan Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 We are Rod & Staff users here. My oldest used Easy Grammar early on and it just wasn't meaty enough for me. We tried LLATL for a short, short time and found it way too gentle. I have used R&S 2, 4, 5, 6 and have 7. 2 starts out gentle and they continue learning little bits at a time. I like that. The curriculum is gentle in a way but meaty. Also, we skip the writing lessons with no problem (and use IEW). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perogi Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I think level 2 is too easy for an 8 year old. My vote is for FLL (3 or 4 depending on the student). I figured that level 2 would be too easy for the 8yo but thought level 3 would be too hard for the 6yo and I'd like to do it together rather than taking on 2 new programs at this point. Also, level 2 is a lot cheaper - an "easier" investment for something that I'm trying out ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Elliot Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) I'm pretty sold on WWE, however I'm stumped what to use for grammar (third grade). What should we use, R&S, FLL or Growing with Grammar? Thoughts anyone? I've used R&S 3-10 (many times) and FLL 1-4 (many times), and I have no experience at all with GWG. For third grade, I prefer FLL. My kids have loved it, too. If you like WWE, I think you'll be happy with FLL. They go very well together. Edited October 22, 2011 by Luann in ID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perogi Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I've used R&S 3-10 (many times) and FLL 1-4 (many times), and I have no experience at all with GWG. For third grade, I prefer FLL. My kids have loved it, too. If you like WWE, I think you'll be happy with FLL. They go very well together. If using FLL and WWE together do you cut any of the copywork or anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joyfulhomeschooler Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 What are you looking for in a grammar curriculum? Do you have a certain educational philosophy you follow? How does your child learn best? I use Primary Language Lessons because I love the gentle CM approach. If you're planning to use WWE, you may well like FLL. Did you use PLL with your older children as well? If so, are they on grade level with grammar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadeOrchidSong Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 (edited) Older ds did R&S English exclusively from the beginning when he was 5.5. So far he finished R&S 2, 3, and almost half of 4. He never complains and he likes the diagramming very much. My young ds started FLL 1, 2 combo when he just turned 6. We finished it in 9 months. Then we transited to R&S 2 to review and learn more. He likes R&S English MUCH more. He willingly writes things i ask him to write and he is eager to show his sentences to me. He doesn't retain well with FLL. He loves to be able to see the book and read the sentences for oral or written exercises in R&S. So I will stick with R&S English. We will use IEW soon for both boys. So please give R&S English some consideration before you settle with any other grammar program. It might just fit you and/or your dc's learning style. I forgot to mention that both boys are doing WWE, too. Younger just finished WWE 1 with much success and older has done 2/3 of WWE 3. Also, lots of people do R&S grammar orally on a white board with their dc, so it is not necessary to write anything. You can choose a very small amount for the dc to do on a notebook, which is what I do with both dc. They do a third of the written practice, which is not too much. I also use a plastic sheet for them to write right on over the page so that unnecessary writing is eliminated and it is always fun to use a dry erase marker for a change. Edited October 22, 2011 by aomom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Elliot Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 If using FLL and WWE together do you cut any of the copywork or anything? Sometimes, not always. It just depends on the child and what kind of day he's having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaKinVA Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 MCT Island and FLL at that age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 We have used FLL & WWE, Serl's, and KISS Grammar. My son is doing his best language work ever with KISS. My daughter continues to work through FLL, but I may try switching her to KISS, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 When I first started homeschooling I loved FLL 1/2. I loved how easy the lessons where, and all the poems that my kids memorized. Currently we are using Growing with Grammar and really liking it. I have not seen them have any problems with retention, and at this age I am not expecting mastery of grammar. I am introducing them to these concepts, and creating pegs to hang more grammar knowledge on later. I find it really easy to teach, and effective. I sit with my kids and discuss the lesson while they are doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommamia Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 We've been enjoying the combo of Easy Grammar and FLL. We do FLL orally and using the whiteboard. EG is done 4 days a week, while we do FLL 2 or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth in SW WA Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 GWG & MCT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama2Many4 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Primary Language Lessons and Intermediate Language Lessons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imhim Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 My oldest (dd 8) is NOT an auditory learner - so I quit FLL after level 2 for GWG3 - which is working great, and plan to finish quickly and to MCT -ISland next. She likes WWE, we are finishing up 2 and starting 3. My ds6 is an auditory learner, and he does very well with FLL1 (is too easy, we can easily do 2 lessons), but he is not big on writing. We'll what happens when we start WW1. I did not see yet problems with retention in GWG - she does well on her tests. The kids get memory work done with CC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommy22alyns Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I have used FLL 1/2 and part of 3. We're currently using R&S 3, which I really like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie-txmama2six Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 We love R&S here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angie in VA Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) It doesn't do diagramming, but that's fine with me. *Cough* Traitor! *Cough!* Edited October 26, 2011 by Angie in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheApprentice Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I am using two resources for grammar, along with WWE2: Climbing to Good English 3 and The Sentence Family. Both are going well, although next year I'll probably switch to MCT for him in 4th grade. I've noticed great retention with this program with my older two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birchbark Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 For that age, WWE and the Sentence Family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 *Cough* Traitor! *Cough!* :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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