Lovedtodeath Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Person x looking at porn causes person x's heart to be broken? I don't see how. Or do you mean Person x's partner looking at porn causes person x's heart to be broken? This is usually routed in low self-esteem. One's partner looking at porn should in no way cause hurt feelings to that person. Or do you mean their partner cheated and it started with porn? In that case I would bet that porn or not, they would have cheated anyway. Or is it something else and I misunderstand?Person x looking at porn is not satisfied with his/her marital relations because the porn looks more exciting. Person x decides to look elsewhere for sex than within her/his marriage. Person x looking at porn gets an unrealistic view of sex and physically and/or emotionally harms their mate. ETA: And isn't this confusing cause and effect anyway? Masturbation certainly doesn't promote abuse. Nope. I agree not cause and effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amsunshine Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Fact is, your dd is curious and interested. Instead of freaking out and jerking the door off her room, how about you get her a book about sex, intimacy, etc. that you think is APPROPRIATE for her age. Explain things to her, answer her questions, and encourage her to learn about what makes her curious through appropriate materials (you know...so she doesn't decide to just learn about them through...experience). :iagree: At 13, her hormones are probably raging and now is the time when she needs guidance the most. Now is the time when you have the best opportunity to instill the ideas and values you want her to carry with her into young adulthood. Definitely, she needs to understand use of the internet is a privilege and violating your privacy is not to be tolerated. But the underlying issue of her own sexual development and curiousity needs to be addressed and treated with tenderness, sincerity and lots and lots of open discussion. Sorry if this is a repeat of previous posts. I didn't have the time to read every one. Hope this is helpful. And hugs to you on this mother-daughter journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_claire Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Person x looking at porn is not satisfied with his/her marital relations because the porn looks more exciting. Person x decides to look elsewhere for sex than within her/his marriage. Person x looking at porn gets an unrealistic view of sex and physically and/or emotionally harms their mate.. I would say that person x was not happy with their marriage. Looking at porn was not the cause. If someone decides to cheet on their spouse, their marriage is in trouble and blaming porn is just an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st_claire Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I actually have high self-esteem, but I do not want my spouse looking at porn (and vice versa). We are very religious, and find looking at porn to be sinful. Why would I need to see another man's naked body? That seems insulting to my husband! We don't need to argue this at all. I just wanted to point out that there are women who do not want their spouses looking at porn, and it has nothing to do with self-esteem. Yes, that's fine, but like I said it is *usually* because of low self-esteem. How is looking at another man insulting to your husband, or visa versa? What you look at doesn't really affect him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terabith Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Taking the door off seems an awful lot like revenge, not teaching. I'm wondering what her internet search was for. Was she searching for sex, or was she searching for porn? Was she seeking information or a sexual experience? I understand it being concerning, but I worry that we can massively over-react to sexual stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidbits of Learning Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Yes, that's fine, but like I said it is *usually* because of low self-esteem. How is looking at another man insulting to your husband, or visa versa? What you look at doesn't really affect him at all. In theory, you can say this wouldn't affect another person. Yet, in reality, I wouldn't want to walk in on my husband with a video or magazine. I'm sure the reverse would apply with him as well. I'm sure it would cause him to wonder if he was satisfying my needs...if I was looking for more. I'm not saying there isn't a time and a place for these things and that married people don't use them in a healthy manner. It just isn't for everyone in their marriage. What is healthy for one marriage might destroy another depending on the people involved. Not to get off topic, but to each his own with respect to whether outside interests or looking outside of the marriage would hurt your marriage or hurt a spouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julieofsardis Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Well, I believe the OP has handled the issues very well. I believe some cannot understand that she is not pulling the door off as a punishment for being interested in, or even in getting caught reading material of a sexual nature. I can see how the dd might get that wrong message though, because of all the people here who have misunderstood it. My suggestion would be to buy her an appropriate book that gives a level of detail about sex that you are comfortable about, while at the same time removing the door for the invasion of privacy offense. This way, she can be clear that she is not being punished for being curious about sex. For what it's worth, I remember getting my sex ed from Redbook magazines. My mother was a beautician, so I spent lots of time at the shop. The magazines were readily available. I learned a lot. I'm not sure if my mom knew I was reading them or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I would also caution you to keep the conversations as unemotionally charged as possible. Not only do you not want to give the impression that sexual feelings are somehow objectionable in and of themselves (which I presume you don't think they are, your objection appears to be her age vs the maturity of the subject matter)....but you also don't want to close off her willingness to talk to you. :iagree:I know I often read here about how addicting p*rno is, it is not something I've seen in my professional or personal life, and I, personally, would focus on what surfing the net for it opens one up to viruses and junk mail and she's not to do that on the machine I have to cope with, and snooping is not all right, either. Nor disobeying. I would then get some literature that is very explicit about what sex is. I would find out if the itch she is scratching is curiousness about adult life or erotic leanings that are getting her to contact inappropriate partners. And a frank talk about the kind of garbage despicable grown up talk to teens, because they know a grown up would fall for that garbage. I had no birds and bees talk. Being methodical, I found the section in the library and read every single book in that number in the Dewey Decimal System. I was so young and innocent, that when I read the Joy Of Sex, I thought it was from National Lampoon* (I know they did a parody, but I'm talking about the real one). I remember getting shushed for laughing out loud about the entry on sex on a motorcycle....some line about "not letting safety lapse in trying to satisfy her love of g-forces". How could they be serious? *I did (secretly) read my brother's National Lampoon, and remember gasping with laughter over the revolutionary (female) who kept her lover at bay by claiming she was on her period for so long, he began to understand why, if this was how left wing revolutionary women were, some Communists were defecting. I thought that a scream at 12, and I'm relatively normal. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 Given your response, I would very much doubt she would feel comfortable talking to you about sex. You have made it clear to her that you feel she has no business being interested in it. I hate to see what you would do if you caught her having intercourse. You might think it is "open door", but I would bet she doesn't. I answered your questions. It is normal. Very normal. You should encourage her. I gave some ideas for how you could undo some of the damage you probably caused by your reaction. As for the house rule, you obviously don't respect her privacy (you look at her internet history), why should she respect yours? (from her point of view I mean). Threads go beyond the original speicfic topic all the time, especially ones with this sort of topic. If you don't want threads to diverge, don't post on a public forum. Interesting point of view, but man, are you ever off base. You seem intent on deciding for yourself what my relationship is with my child regardless of what I say. It seems that you are quite bothered by the fact that a) we happen to have differing opinions on some things (and really, I suspect, not as different as you have somehow come to believe), and b) I will not necessarily choose to implement your suggestions. Ok. You're entitled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 you sound like a LOVELY mother and I want to thank you for being brave enough to post all of this here so I could learn from it. :D You've shared much of your story here but only you know your family life, your daughter, and your history. What I've learned is to ALWAYS trust my Mommy Gut. It has NEVER failed me. :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug: Thank you! That means a lot to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 Very well said. I did not mean to imply one *must* buy those things for their children, in fact I think I even advised that not everyone would feel comfortable doing so, I was merely providing some ideas for the OP. I do think that punishing a 13 year old for looking at porn is sexual repression though. And I feel sorry for anyone who has that done to them. Ok, I'm going to say this one more time... I did not and have not punished my child for feeling sexual, for maturbating, or even for looking at pornography, or reading erotica. And now I'm done engaging with you, because you obviously have no interest in hearing a word I'm saying, but only in pushing your own agenda. And for those of you who have had nice things to say about how I've interacted with others (primarily this poster), I've now deviated from my higher road. Sorry to disappoint you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alchemy671 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 One word of advice, don't make sex something that is bad. Your daughter is coming into the age where she will be naturally curious. With the technology of today, she is going to find it. As a parent it is very difficult to not "over react" when our children are exploring their "sexual boundries". Talk to her, be honest, open, and calm. (You can bang your head against the wall and cry when she is not looking.) If you make sex something she has to hide from you, she may experiment with things out of spite. Please don't read this as me suggesting that you encourage or condone her behavior. Only a suggestion that you not alienate her about this subject. Teenagers are programed to "get away with things". If you make this NO BIG DEAL, she may stop, or at least talk to you openly about it. Think about it this way: Would you rather have your daughter come and talk to you when she is thinking about having sex with a boyfriend, or would you rather have her sneak around and just do it? I don't envy your situation. I hope it all works out. I think the bigger issue here is your daughter disrespecting your right to privacy in your own home. Otherwise, you may want to leave the communication doors open. Tricia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovedtodeath Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I am still in awe of your communication skills Q. Not disappointed at all Person x looking at porn gets an unrealistic view of sex and physically and/or emotionally harms their mate. If someone decides to cheet on their spouse, their marriage is in trouble and blaming porn is just an excuse. What about the person X who has an unrealistic view of how sex works and hurts their spouse? You chose to ignore that? Or didn't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdeveson Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Why would one want to arouse (pun intended) sexual feelings in a 13 yo girl before she is ready to marry? :lol::lol::lol: What makes you think anybody has to arouse sexual feelings in a girl of 13? They're already there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdeveson Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 One word of advice, don't make sex something that is bad. That horse is out of the barn and it took the bedroom door with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asta Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Am I the only one here that sees the absurdity of a bunch of grown women discussing sex with an asterisk in place of the letter "e"? I mean, in aggregate, we must have something like 10,000 kids between us. There aren't any virgins typing here. a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 Am I the only one here that sees the absurdity of a bunch of grown women discussing sex with an asterisk in place of the letter "e"? I mean, in aggregate, we must have something like 10,000 kids between us. There aren't any virgins typing here. a :iagree: I often think the exact same thing! s*x p*rn booKs It isn't as if we don't all know exactly what we're referring to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny in Atl Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Am I the only one here that sees the absurdity of a bunch of grown women discussing sex with an asterisk in place of the letter "e"? I mean, in aggregate, we must have something like 10,000 kids between us. There aren't any virgins typing here. a Some here seem to think if they use asterisks, it will keep bad people from Googling the said words and ending up with a WTM link. :001_huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 People do not put the asterisks because they are prudes. They put them so that pervs searching for those terms will not come to our forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny in Atl Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 What about the person X who has an unrealistic view of how sex works and hurts their spouse? You chose to ignore that? Or didn't see it. Disney also teaches girls an unrealistic view of love, romance, and marriage as well. For some odd reason most don't have issue with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 People do not put the asterisks because they are prudes. They put them so that pervs searching for those terms will not come to our forum. Yes, that is it. I encourage you to do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Disney also teaches girls an unrealistic view of love, romance, and marriage as well. For some odd reason most don't have issue with it. I do. Back in college, I had a class on domestic violence. The teacher had us watch Cinderella. (I'd read the book, but not seen the movie.) Then, he skewered it topic by topic, and it has left me with a horror of such movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asta Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 People do not put the asterisks because they are prudes. They put them so that pervs searching for those terms will not come to our forum. That's not how bots work. If it was, no one who has never visited a porn site would have a spam folder full of obscene email on gmail/yahoo/hotmail/whatever. It doesn't matter what you type. They come, they don't come. It's luck of the draw (or not, as the case may be). Bots are a forum administrator's nightmare, but they aren't caused by users. a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree House Academy Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Am I the only one here that sees the absurdity of a bunch of grown women discussing sex with an asterisk in place of the letter "e"? I mean, in aggregate, we must have something like 10,000 kids between us. There aren't any virgins typing here. a :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovedtodeath Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) Disney also teaches girls an unrealistic view of love, romance, and marriage as well. For some odd reason most don't have issue with it.Disney does not encourage raping your spouse. MOST porn even the light stuff shows an unrealistic view of sex with it moving very fast and that can cause a lot of problems. Some women have a lot of pain with sex if their bodies are not adequately prepared before intercourse. Some women may have pain for other reasons as well... but the porn actresses have no problem with anything. Edited November 11, 2009 by Lovedtodeath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny in Atl Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Disney does not encourage raping your spouse. Never said it did, but it does create an over all unhealthy view of the male/female relationship. I honestly don't believe ((all porno)) makes ((most all)) men or women for that matter, rape others. I think most porno is low grade entertainment, (awful acting, no story, no context, plastic, etc). It's like eating Cheetos for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Wait! Didn't Dan White use that as a defense at his trail? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanestMomInMidwest Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 That's not how bots work. If it was, no one who has never visited a porn site would have a spam folder full of obscene email on gmail/yahoo/hotmail/whatever. It doesn't matter what you type. They come, they don't come. It's luck of the draw (or not, as the case may be). Bots are a forum administrator's nightmare, but they aren't caused by users. a I thought the bots are programed to pick out the words with an endless number of variations, so putting asterisks in the place of the X or E in sex will not fool them. And I totally did think people put the asterisks were doing so out of an extreme sense of modesty. ETA: Asta, I realize we're basically saying the same thing...I quoted the wrong post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessedfamily Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I do..... So do I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnieB Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 People do not put the asterisks because they are prudes. They put them so that pervs searching for those terms will not come to our forum. :iagree: And if you doubt it, think back to some of the disgusting posts that are quickly (thank you moderators!) deleted because they were explicit. Often times these occur after a thread like this one where * are not used. Not always, but it has followed a pattern over the years. Which, because some didn't use *, means we're probably in store for another deleted thread over the next week or so, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asta Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 :iagree: And if you doubt it, think back to some of the disgusting posts that are quickly (thank you moderators!) deleted because they were explicit. Often times these occur after a thread like this one where * are not used. Not always, but it has followed a pattern over the years. Which, because some didn't use *, means we're probably in store for another deleted thread over the next week or so, lol. I greatly appreciate our moderators. They have a thankless job. And yes, this topic will probably get deleted, but not for the word sex. I moderate a forum (not here!). Spiders and bots are quite complex. They are the bane of all mods and administrators. They do not care about asterisks. Pervs are quite simple. They will click on one of the eighteen million porn sites that will come up in google when they type in the word "sex" before WTM shows up on page 41,052. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidbits of Learning Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I greatly appreciate our moderators. They have a thankless job. And yes, this topic will probably get deleted, but not for the word sex. I moderate a forum (not here!). Spiders and bots are quite complex. They are the bane of all mods and administrators. They do not care about asterisks. Pervs are quite simple. They will click on one of the eighteen million porn sites that will come up in google when they type in the word "sex" before WTM shows up on page 41,052. I agree with this partially, but this thread has the words sex, masturbation, 13 year old girl, vibrator, erotica...just to name a few. Most pervs don't just type in sex. They type in specific types of sex that they "enjoy" and put several words at a time to search for like "sex+masturbation+13 year old girl" I think this thread might pop up faster than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asta Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 (edited) You know, I'm SHOCKED! There were absolutely no hits on google matching that exact search terminology - with or without quotes. And I have no nanny-ware. Now, those words, interspersed within a site, they showed up - on question and answer sites. Absolutely no porn. Lots of kids wanting to know if they were normal, or if having "these types of feelings" made them pervs. Kind of sad. All the more reason to talk to one's kids. a (wait - I found a weird russian site - but it only had a couple of the terms - no WTM, though) Edited November 12, 2009 by asta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asta Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Stop the presses! I have found the vital search term that was missing! HOMESCHOOL! a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crissy Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Most pervs don't just type in sex. They type in specific types of sex that they "enjoy" and put several words at a time to search for like "sex+masturbation+13 year old girl" I think this thread might pop up faster than you think. But if a perv is online searching for sites about teen girls masturbating and he arrives here...is he likely to stick around and talk vacuums and math curricula with us? Probably not. My guess is he'd move on to a search result that is more relevant to what he's looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greensummervillian Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I'm going to use ** because I'd rather be safe than sorry. Before this thread, I have never used them, and had never thought about the trouble it could cause. This is in response to St. Claire's posts, which I believe she posted with the best of intentions. My problem with giving a child free access to the internet is because I know what is out there. There is a lot of p*rn about women being degraded and abused. Women in p*rn are up for anything with s*xually that will give the man pleasure, but how much of it is about them? I'll admit I haven't done a thorough study of what is out there, but I've seen enough to have a general idea. Real s*x, especially when we're talking about some of a person's first experiences, can be awkward and funny, and it usually needs to be taken slowly. I understand why adults might like the fantasy aspect of it. A young teen who has never experienced the real thing might take what they have learned and go into real s*x with a set of expectations that are unrealistic, leading to discontent and real relationship problems. Also, many women on these sites are bleached, waxed, tanned, and pumped so full of silicone that they're hardly recognizable compared to the vast majority of women. I know for myself as a teen, I always thought fake br*asts were normal and mine had something wrong with them because when I was on my back, they would fall to the sides. Little things like this can make a person very self conscious, so that when they do experience the real thing they're so concerned about doing it "right" that there's not a lot of mental space for just enjoying it. M@sturb@tion and learning about what pleases you is one thing, viewing unrestricted internet sites is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidsHappen Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Am I the only one here that sees the absurdity of a bunch of grown women discussing sex with an asterisk in place of the letter "e"? I mean, in aggregate, we must have something like 10,000 kids between us. There aren't any virgins typing here. a I accidently typed the word d*mn once without the asterisk and the board automatically posted d*** instead. I do believe that I have had that happen with other words as well but that one surprised me. I have seen that typed out since then so I guess they changed it and I have seen just about every other word you can imagine here as well but it has been my general understanding that we should use asterisks due to search issues and I believe that is the reason most people use them. Obviously, we have no problem discussing a whole host of intimate issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutor Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 :iagree: I often think the exact same thing! s*x p*rn booKs It isn't as if we don't all know exactly what we're referring to... I always assumed it was a kindness to people with filtering software to allow them to view a page without having to jump through hoops. :001_smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I always assumed it was a kindness to people with filtering software to allow them to view a page without having to jump through hoops. :001_smile: :iagree: This too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyK Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I like that idea that someone could be trawling for p*rn and ends up posting about his favorite bread machine. Would make for an interesting intro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I agree completely with St. Clare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Nowadays, it's the "cool" thing for girls/women to be okay with their men looking at p*rn. But to say it doesn't bother them at all is *often* misleading. I think *most* really do care (and just don't want to admit it). ETA: asterick I can honestly say that I have no issues with my dh looking at porn, nor does he have an issue with me looking at porn. Further, we have no issues watching porn together. Not that we get a chance to do any of the above often, with four kiddos including a nursling, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasha Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Am I the only one here that sees the absurdity of a bunch of grown women discussing sex with an asterisk in place of the letter "e"? I mean, in aggregate, we must have something like 10,000 kids between us. There aren't any virgins typing here. a You aren't the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerine Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I've always thought the asterisks were silly too. I once tried to type the knitting book Stitch & ***** and it asterisked it out automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 :glare: Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I'm thinking of doing a Venn diagram of this thread but I'm not sure any of the worldviews would overlap. Crazy thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheBrink Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I think the * are used to prevent the words from being picked up in a search by pervs looking for s*xual threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I think the * are used to prevent the words from being picked up in a search by pervs looking for s*xual threads. That was really a problem with the old boards I think. Some habits die hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joanne Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 If sex is good for teens, if we were meant to fit our young teens with contraceptives and tell them to have sex outside of marriage, then why are there life and health threatening STD's? Even a relatively mild STD can cause pain with sex and damage to an unborn fetus. I don't understand where this is an age related query? STD's are a function of irresponsible sex of any age. (IMNSHO) I have wondered about God (in whom I deeply believe) and why he makes "hormones" surge before we culturally want kids to have sex. I've also wondered about the near decade between menopause and when most women should accept it's time to not have children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheBrink Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 That was really a problem with the old boards I think. Some habits die hard. So it's no longer an issue? Oh. Ok. I'll stop! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovedtodeath Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 (edited) I don't understand where this is an age related query? STD's are a function of irresponsible sex of any age. (IMNSHO) I have wondered about God (in whom I deeply believe) and why he makes "hormones" surge before we culturally want kids to have sex. I've also wondered about the near decade between menopause and when most women should accept it's time to not have children. That is simple. God is not in control. We are not his perfect creations, but a product of sin. We do not know how God originally designed things. As for your questioning me, I feel my response was right on target to the other post. She was not wondering anything, but trying to prove a point with the question. No one should be having sex outside of a truly commited relationship. That is true, no matter what your age, it is risky business. Edited November 13, 2009 by Lovedtodeath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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