Joanne Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/desperate-duggars-pitch-tlc-new-show-where-they-counsel-sex-abuse-victims-report/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Yeah I'm hoping the same thing. They are out of their mind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne in CA Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 My blood pressure just went up thinking about the new wave of victims these people could create... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I read it is a proposal but can't remember the source. Insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiden Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 At least it sounds like it's only being pitched and is by no means a done deal. They're probably grasping at anything and everything they can to keep that TV money coming in, as the article seemed to indicate. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikin' Mama Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 :( This is a bad idea on many levels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFG Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 The Duggars WANT to do a show. They need the income. I seriously doubt anything will ever come of it. TLC is crass and opportunistic but not stupid. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happi duck Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 No. No way. If this isn't a gag and they are truly pitching this idea then they are more egotistical than I thought humanly possible. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantlion Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 There really are no words. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 There is an article on this by patheos. I have words. Not one of them is polite. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 The hubris is staggering but not unexpected. Their whole independent finances thing is rather sketchy. The truth is that they are used to the show money, need the show money, are unable to earn that kind of money in other ways and they will have to radically reduce their lifestyle if they go without TV money for too much longer. I'm betting they don't want to go back to the money saving tips they pushed on their first specials. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Well... both of the groups they're consulting with have excellent reputations, so one can hope they are learning from this personally and want to disseminate better information on the topic than what they, themselves, were operating on. I'm an optimist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjackoaktree Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 honestly, Catholic families in my 'hood and my parent's generation somehow were able to get though life on the southwest side of Chicago without a reality show with nearly as many kids, so maybe they need to start looking inward at their family life and choices instead of going willy nilly about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. But you know, my husband's dad only has 15 brothers and sisters instead so maybe those last few kids = reality show... : insert eyeroll smiley that I can't access on this phone : 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I hope they padded their savings during their TLC years, because they are never getting that back. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Well... both of the groups they're consulting with have excellent reputations, so one can hope they are learning from this personally and want to disseminate better information on the topic than what they, themselves, were operating on. I'm an optimist. ya think? ;p despite some recent life lessons that there are good people in the world, - regarding JB and M, I'm more cynical. (and I doubt they were careful with savings and investing for the future.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I hope they padded their savings during their TLC years, because they are never getting that back. I'm not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneezyone Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 They are planning to 'counsel' others? For reals? That takes some brass balls. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Well... both of the groups they're consulting with have excellent reputations, so one can hope they are learning from this personally and want to disseminate better information on the topic than what they, themselves, were operating on. I'm an optimist. That is for the green lighted special that doesn't feature the parents. What they are trying to sell is them, Michelle and Jim Bob counseling victims in a new ongoing reality show. The special is about TLC trying to regain credibility and testing a show that is just about the married daughters. Michelle and Jim Bob don't want the gravy train to end for themselves and they are trying to angle for an in by piggy backing off the special. Jim Bob has indicated he wants any ongoing show to have them, not focus on the older daughters and their own families. I am not in the habit of getting my counseling from washed up political types, car dealers and occasional real estate agents or religious fundamentalists whose primary means of support was reality TV, TYVM. They are in no way qualified to counsel families. Even as a peer counselor, it doesn't work because they haven't really realized that they screwed up. 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Yell Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 :ack2: :ack2: :ack2: :ack2: :ack2: :ack2: :ack2: 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 EXACTLY! I suppose they could renew their mariage vows again so they could get on another episode of "Say Yes to the Dress". They could try to get on Survivor for the million dollar prize. But, I suspect they would be voted off the island early. When the show was canceled, they actually asked their fans for money through their facebook page. I wonder if they gave all their money to Bill Gothard. I don't know what the organization is worth, but in 2012 assets exceeded 81 million and this is a smaller, fringe group, so there must be some pretty generous donors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoobie Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Gross. Just gross. Narcissists to the core. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraidycat Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I just hope this part is true: “It was a disastrous move that ruined their brand. It would take a miracle to get them back on TV.†I have no doubt they are trying to find a way to get back on t.v. - it made them rich. They've become accustomed to a certain lifestyle. I just hope it doesn't happen. I didn't like (nor ever watch) them when I just thought they were just exploiting all of their kids for fame and fortune. This would take it beyond the pale. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catz Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Money grubbing narcissism at its worst. I'm disgusted. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerine Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 The Friendly Atheist did a post saying that they were unfounded rumors that have been spread far and wide. I hope he's right. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantlion Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 They are in no way qualified to counsel families. Even as a peer counselor, it doesn't work because they haven't really realized that they screwed up. :iagree: It also lacks any ounce of humility. All of I can think of is the phrase I saw in a planner the other day. It read: "I saw that" - Karma 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MomtoCandJ Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Oh Lord have mercy on us all, can't the Duggar's just realize that they f@cked up and deal with the consequences??? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 The Friendly Atheist did a post saying that they were unfounded rumors that have been spread far and wide. I hope he's right.Damn the ability of unfounded rumors to be passed off as fact in an infotainment internet age. And damn me for being gullible enough to fall for it (if it is indeed a false rumor.) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Damn the ability of unfounded rumors to be passed off as fact in an infotainment internet age. And damn me for being gullible enough to fall for it (if it is indeed a false rumor.) I am not entirely certain they are unfounded though. According to folks that live in the U.P. near Gothard's girls' camp and Northwoods Conference Center, ATI leadership is pressuring them to get back on tv. Now it could be that the real story is that they are asking TLC to reinstate the regular show after the "docudrama" is aired. That would be plausible. But these people really think they did nothing wrong and have some "wisdom" to offer so it would not be far fetched. Hard to say. It was posted on several reputable news sources that they made a plea for money after the show was canceled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerine Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 The post if you're interested: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/08/19/theres-no-evidence-the-duggars-are-pitching-a-new-show-in-which-theyd-counsel-abuse-victims/ An unnamed source in Star magazine doesn't automatically mean it is false, but that seems to be where it came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneezyone Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I am not entirely certain they are unfounded though. According to folks that live in the U.P. near Gothard's girls' camp and Northwoods Conference Center, ATI leadership is pressuring them to get back on tv. Now it could be that the real story is that they are asking TLC to reinstate the regular show after the "docudrama" is aired. That would be plausible. But these people really think they did nothing wrong and have some "wisdom" to offer so it would not be far fetched. Hard to say. It was posted on several reputable news sources that they made a plea for money after the show was canceled. The pleas were actually posted on Duggar affiliated Web sites, including the pleas to fund the daughter's missionary trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRAAB Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I think they need to go into seclusion for a good long time. They've done enough damage. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerine Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 This news that Josh had a paid Ashley Madison account though...is that legitimate? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 In other news, it appears Josh Duggar is attached to the Ashley Madison hack. Someone with a credit card in his name billed to his grandmother's house bought memberships to the cheating website: http://gawker.com/family-values-activist-josh-duggar-had-a-paid-ashley-ma-1725132091 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerine Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 The only thing I find shocking about this revelation is that Josh's middle name starts with a J. Do these people hate the alphabet? 26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 :ack2: :ack2: :ack2: :ack2: :ack2: :ack2: :ack2: quick - get a bucket . . . .. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I think they need to go into seclusion for a good long time. They've done enough damage. cross your fingers they've done a boatload of damage to gothard et. al. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 This news that Josh had a paid Ashley Madison account though...is that legitimate? I aw someone post a different link on FB and went looking. The gawker site I posted seems to have some pretty convincing evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneezyone Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 In other news, it appears Josh Duggar is attached to the Ashley Madison hack. Someone with a credit card in his name billed to his grandmother's house bought memberships to the cheating website: http://gawker.com/family-values-activist-josh-duggar-had-a-paid-ashley-ma-1725132091 Oh.My.Word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I am not entirely certain they are unfounded though. According to folks that live in the U.P. near Gothard's girls' camp and Northwoods Conference Center, ATI leadership is pressuring them to get back on tv. Now it could be that the real story is that they are asking TLC to reinstate the regular show after the "docudrama" is aired. That would be plausible. But these people really think they did nothing wrong and have some "wisdom" to offer so it would not be far fetched. Hard to say. It was posted on several reputable news sources that they made a plea for money after the show was canceled. - so, how much $$$ does ATI get from their TV show? talk about creepy . . . . eta: as cynical as I am - are you sure the Ashley Madison thing is legit and not a (too close to home) spoof? and his wife will still be encouraged to stay with him, and keep having babies, - even if it's real. now I want a bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Oh Lord have mercy on us all, can't the Duggar's just realize that they f@cked up and deal with the consequences??? no - because they think they are god's (small g deliberate) gift to spreading the ati/gothard vision. (of women, uneducated, isolated, barefoot and pg and being available for perverted husbands.- and fathers and brothers.) these people are sickening - and give sincere Christians who are trying to live a Godly life a bad name. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MomtoCandJ Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Quick some one get me a large septic tank because a bucket won't be enough 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoobie Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I aw someone post a different link on FB and went looking. The gawker site I posted seems to have some pretty convincing evidence. Poor Anna. :( 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imagine.more Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 The only thing I find shocking about this revelation is that Josh's middle name starts with a J. Do these people hate the alphabet? Bahaha! Yeah, this new info about Josh is just, wow, ugh! The layers upon layers of deceit are astonishing to me. Maybe I'm not cynical enough :( 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imagine.more Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Poor Anna. :( I was thinking the same thing :( 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 - so, how much $$$ does ATI get from their TV show? talk about creepy . . . . eta: as cynical as I am - are you sure the Ashley Madison thing is legit and not a (too close to home) spoof? and his wife will still be encouraged to stay with him, and keep having babies, - even if it's real. now I want a bucket. I don't know a thing about the Ashley Madison thing. I didn't post that. As for the money, the dollar amount is not known for certain at this time. At Northwoods Conference Center or I should say the community that surrounds it in the Upper Peninsula, the common understanding is that they give quite a lot of money but also by appearing to be this wholesome family, and putting a veneer of acceptability on IBLP and ATI principles, the organization saw an uptick in donations in general because more people thought it was a good non-profit to support. So there is direct and indirect money associated with them. Also, "A Matter of Basic Principles" outlines some of this. It's available on Amazon for those interested in the book. But, just to warn you, it's kind of a nauseating read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluegoat Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I can't help but think that they could not be worse that Dr Phil. The level of suckage on tv is so high, I think it has really already topped out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 The only thing I find shocking about this revelation is that Josh's middle name starts with a J. Do these people hate the alphabet? Joshua James They later had a James Andrew. Jedidiah and Jeremiah share the same middle name (Robert, which is, of course, Jim Bob's middle name). Joy-Anna and John-David don't have middle names. I guess they decided the hyphenated first name was enough but then when they got to Jordyn-Grace they added the middle name of Makiya for her. Interestingly, two boys got Jim Bob's middle name and Jim Bob's first name of James was used twice. Jill got Michelle's name for her middle name and one of the boys got Michael as a middle name, but Annette (Michelle's middle name) was not used for any of the kids. Josh is the only one given two J names. http://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/p/birthdays.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I can't help but think that they could not be worse that Dr Phil. The level of suckage on tv is so high, I think it has really already topped out. "The level of suckage", yes this! Very well put! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRAAB Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 cross your fingers they've done a boatload of damage to gothard et. al. Well, I don't care, and am rather pleased, that they've done damage to Gothard and his ilk. I was thinking of the damage they've done to Christians in general. Unfortunately, I know some people, who when they hear Christian, they think Duggar. They make me ill. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Poor Anna. :( Sorry, I'm having trouble mustering a lot of sympathy for her. She knew she was marrying a creeper. My money says the only thing that would make her leave him would be if he were flirting with men. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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