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I'm usually in bed at this hour, but I turned on the tube to see the how much more rain we should get, and there was DT in a room with bickering women. I was just going to turn it off when David Gregory broke in. Now I'm really going to get to bed LATE!

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I find the picture of Obama offensive. HE didn't kill OBL. All he did was tell our very courageous troops to go get him...which is what any acting president would've done. He doesn't deserve as much credit as people are giving him. And not to start a train wreck here...but I would actually go out and vote for Donald Trump for president. Seriously, what has Obama done for this country? I ask myself that every time I pull up to my local gas pump.

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I find the picture of Obama offensive. HE didn't kill OBL. All he did was tell our very courageous troops to go get him...which is what any acting president would've done. He doesn't deserve as much credit as people are giving him. And not to start a train wreck here...but I would actually go out and vote for Donald Trump for president. Seriously, what has Obama done for this country? I ask myself that every time I pull up to my local gas pump.

 

Let's be frank...those gas pump prices were coming long, long before Obama was President. And all the folks who poo-poo alternative energy and keep on conspicuously consuming are going to keep that trend going. Last I checked, POTUS really wanted America on the renewable energy wagon. Saw it as a terrific way to bring skilled manufacturing jobs back to this country. I wonder what's holding him up?

 

AFA Obama not having actually killed Bin Laden, I can and absolutely do consider him personally responsible for the incisive tactical skill with which this mission was carried out. I've said for quite some time now that I voted for Obama in large part because of his cool head, and I think he has now thoroughly proven my point. They watched this compound since last year; they got the best intelligence they possibly could. Obama insisted on a special forces maneuver instead of an air strike so we could be sure we got them. There were no civilian casualties, no casualties among the SEALs, and we were out of there before Pakistan even had time to scramble their forces in response. That mission was absolutely surgical, and that had everything to do with Obama. Even Limbaugh was willing to concede that point.

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Let's be frank...those gas pump prices were coming long, long before Obama was President. And all the folks who poo-poo alternative energy and keep on conspicuously consuming are going to keep that trend going. Last I checked, POTUS really wanted America on the renewable energy wagon. Saw it as a terrific way to bring skilled manufacturing jobs back to this country. I wonder what's holding him up?

 

AFA Obama not having actually killed Bin Laden, I can and absolutely do consider him personally responsible for the incisive tactical skill with which this mission was carried out. I've said for quite some time now that I voted for Obama in large part because of his cool head, and I think he has now thoroughly proven my point. They watched this compound since last year; they got the best intelligence they possibly could. Obama insisted on a special forces maneuver instead of an air strike so we could be sure we got them. There were no civilian casualties, no casualties among the SEALs, and we were out of there before Pakistan even had time to scramble their forces in response. That mission was absolutely surgical, and that had everything to do with Obama. Even Limbaugh was willing to concede that point.

 

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There are so many behind the scene logistics that would have had to have taken place for that operation to go so smoothly. I agree his rational, careful thinking skills were certainly critical. He didn't get all hot headed, let's blow them up about it. He wanted it to be thorough, precise, and safest for all parties involved, including the civilian population surrounding the compound. It took guts to do it this way.

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Let's be frank...those gas pump prices were coming long, long before Obama was President. And all the folks who poo-poo alternative energy and keep on conspicuously consuming are going to keep that trend going. Last I checked, POTUS really wanted America on the renewable energy wagon. Saw it as a terrific way to bring skilled manufacturing jobs back to this country. I wonder what's holding him up?

 

AFA Obama not having actually killed Bin Laden, I can and absolutely do consider him personally responsible for the incisive tactical skill with which this mission was carried out. I've said for quite some time now that I voted for Obama in large part because of his cool head, and I think he has now thoroughly proven my point. They watched this compound since last year; they got the best intelligence they possibly could. Obama insisted on a special forces maneuver instead of an air strike so we could be sure we got them. There were no civilian casualties, no casualties among the SEALs, and we were out of there before Pakistan even had time to scramble their forces in response. That mission was absolutely surgical, and that had everything to do with Obama. Even Limbaugh was willing to concede that point.

 

:iagree:

 

There are so many behind the scene logistics that would have had to have taken place for that operation to go so smoothly. I agree his rational, careful thinking skills were certainly critical. He didn't get all hot headed, let's blow them up about it. He wanted it to be thorough, precise, and safest for all parties involved, including the civilian population surrounding the compound. It took guts to do it this way.

 

Thank you for responding in a constructive manner before someone who may not have responded quite as nicely picked it up. *hides*

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I think Obama did the right thing. But I also agree he was in the right place, at the right time, and any other President would've done the same thing. I don't see the point in giving him accolades he doesn't really deserve. The intelligence community, the SEALS, and the people on the ground deserve them, without a doubt. All Obama did was give the order, more than likely on the advice of his advisors, as any President would've done. I don't think this victory belongs to any President, it belongs to the intelligence community and the SEALS. They earned this.

 

I don't like the picture, either, but I'm equally as unimpressed with the anti-Obama pictures running around my FB wall at the moment. Give credit where credit's due, and I don't see any need for any particular partisan talk on this one.

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I find the picture of Obama offensive. HE didn't kill OBL. All he did was tell our very courageous troops to go get him...which is what any acting president would've done. He doesn't deserve as much credit as people are giving him. And not to start a train wreck here...but I would actually go out and vote for Donald Trump for president. Seriously, what has Obama done for this country? I ask myself that every time I pull up to my local gas pump.

 

Trump will *never* get the nomination unless the Republican party just decides to throw the election.

 

There are *many* Republican candidates who might actually have a chance, who have worked hard for the issues they believe in.

 

Trump inherited his money, he's declared bankruptcy more often than I change my oil and he's been married just as many times. Why would the Republican party shoot themselves in the foot like that?

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I find the picture of Obama offensive. HE didn't kill OBL. All he did was tell our very courageous troops to go get him...which is what any acting president would've done. He doesn't deserve as much credit as people are giving him. And not to start a train wreck here...but I would actually go out and vote for Donald Trump for president. Seriously, what has Obama done for this country? I ask myself that every time I pull up to my local gas pump.

 

I think his casino in NJ went bankrupt. You might want to check it out before you decide he's a financial wizard. :D

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Did you ask yourself that same question in 2008 when gas was $4+ per gallon and we had a different president? Just wondering.

 

:iagree:

 

I think his casino in NJ went bankrupt. You might want to check it out before you decide he's a financial wizard. :D

 

Yeah, no kidding.

 

If you want to vote for a financial person why not Mitt Romney? Or is he too in favor of universal healthcare?

 

I don't really agree with him but I would understand why people might want him as President.

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I think Obama did the right thing. But I also agree he was in the right place, at the right time, and any other President would've done the same thing. I don't see the point in giving him accolades he doesn't really deserve. The intelligence community, the SEALS, and the people on the ground deserve them, without a doubt. All Obama did was give the order, more than likely on the advice of his advisors, as any President would've done. I don't think this victory belongs to any President, it belongs to the intelligence community and the SEALS. They earned this.

 

 

As Jumping In Puddles pointed out, another president was in a similar situation and did not give the order, so one can't really say that any other president would do the same. Giving the current president credit for making a tough decision (imagine the outcry if it had gone wrong) doesn't take away accolades from those who carried out the order.

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Did you ask yourself that same question in 2008 when gas was $4+ per gallon and we had a different president? Just wondering.

 

 

:iagree:

 

And the part that makes me giggle the most is that gas SHOULD be $4 a gallon. It should actually be much, much more. It's a nonrenewable energy source and as such, we should treat it like that - not like it's a priviledge for all modern people!!!!

 

I'd love to see gas go to $10 a gallon. Then perhaps people would take our planet seriously.

 

but I'd sure as heck miss my Amazon deliveries. :D

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The other thing that I want to put out there is that there are citizens of this country who have said that Obama is NOT on our side, and that his agenda is un-American and therefore would not make any good decisions. So when he makes a good decision that turns out well, it's just him "doing his job" that any pres. would have done. :confused:

 

I still don't get why he has to take all the blame, whether he has control or not but never get to take any of the credit, whether he has control or not.

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Uh...actually no, I didn't ask myself that when I pulled up to the pumps when gas was $4 a gallon in 2008 because where I live, gas was NEVER $4 a gallon. And, maybe Trump has declared bankruptcy several times but he's always pulled himself back up. Again, I will ask, and again, I will get no answer......what good has Obama done for our country since he has been in office? And by the way, someone else mentioned something about another president who didn't do something or whatever was said, sorry but this kind of thing has never happened in our world before, so I have NO idea (nor do I really care) what you are talking about.

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The other thing that I want to put out there is that there are citizens of this country who have said that Obama is NOT on our side, and that his agenda is un-American and therefore would not make any good decisions. So when he makes a good decision that turns out well, it's just him "doing his job" that any pres. would have done. :confused:

 

I still don't get why he has to take all the blame, whether he has control or not but never get to take any of the credit, whether he has control or not.

 

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By "this kind of thing has never happened in our world before" do you mean that when intelligence informed President Bush that Osama Bin Laden was in Tora Bora and bush decided that he didn't want to order the attack, but diverted the troops to Iraq instead -- that led Bin Laden escaping Tora Bora --- did you mean that is not at all similar to Pres. Obama ordering the attack that killed OBL?

 

What good has Obama done for our country? PASSED health care bill! :party:

 

The Health Care Bill isn't exactly seen as "good" by many, many Americans.

 

Should we point out that Clinton had BL handed to him on a silver platter long before 9/11 even happened, and decided he didn't want him? (Even though he had already carried out attacks against America.)

 

I still don't understand why politics needs to be played in this situation. Obama did his job. (I am shocked, but that's another topic...) Bush did his job when he was in office. Why can't we just give them both credit for their parts in this and stop the bad mouthing?

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Should we point out that Clinton had BL handed to him on a silver platter long before 9/11 even happened, and decided he didn't want him? (Even though he had already carried out attacks against America.)

 

 

Yes, definitely Clinton could have/should have taken care of Bin Laden but didn't. That is exactly my point. You said that any president would have done what Obama did and I'm disagreeing that as a given. That's all.

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I had to blink a couple thousand times. Am I really reading all of this here?? :D
I was just about to post that it seems like there's a bit more elbow room at the table.
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Uh...actually no, I didn't ask myself that when I pulled up to the pumps when gas was $4 a gallon in 2008 because where I live, gas was NEVER $4 a gallon. And, maybe Trump has declared bankruptcy several times but he's always pulled himself back up. Again, I will ask, and again, I will get no answer......what good has Obama done for our country since he has been in office? And by the way, someone else mentioned something about another president who didn't do something or whatever was said, sorry but this kind of thing has never happened in our world before, so I have NO idea (nor do I really care) what you are talking about.

 

• Ordered the Pentagon to cover expenses of families of fallen soldiers if they wish to be on site when the body arrives back in the US (2009)

• Ended the Bush-era “blackout” imposed on media coverage of the return of fallen US soldiers (2009) * Note: The media is now permitted to cover the story pending adherence to respectful rules and with the approval of the fallen soldier’s family

• Ended the Bush-era “black out” policy on media coverage of war casualties (2009) * Note: Full information is now released for the first time in the War on Terror

• Ordered better body armor to be procured for US troops (2009)

• Funding new Mine Resistant Ambush Vehicles (2009) * Note: The old Hummers were very vulnerable to roadside explosives and an alarming percentage of our soldiers lost in Iraq were on account of IEDs

• Working to increase pay and benefits for military personnel (2009)

• Improving housing for military personnel (2009)

• Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses (2009)

• Ordered that conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other neglected military hospitals be improved (2009)

• Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military to a post-Cold War, modern fighting force (2009) * Note: Bush announced in 2001 his intention to do this but backed off the reforms after 9/11, which include: new procurement policies; increasing the size of Special Ops units; deploying new technologies; creating new cyber security units; etc.

• Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts (2009)

• Improving benefits for veterans as well as VA staffing, information systems, etc. (2009)

• Authorized construction of additional health centers to care for veterans (2009)

• Suspended the Bush-era decision to purchase a fleet of Marine One helicopters from suppliers in favor of American made helicopters (2009)

• Ordered a review of the existing “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on gays in the military (2010)

• New GI Bill for returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan (2009)

• Signed bill providing assistance for caregivers of veterans wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan (2010) * Note: The omnibus bill does the following: Training, funding, and counseling for caregivers; promoting pilot childcare programs for women vets under treatment at the VA; independent oversight to prevent abuse; readjustment counseling for National Guard and reservist units; etc.

• Eliminated co-payments for veterans who are catastrophically disabled (2010)

• Fulfilled campaign promise to have combat troops (90,000) out of Iraq by August 31, 2010 (2010)

• Established a new interagency task force to assist veterans owning small businesses (2010) * Note: The efforts include promoting federal contract opportunities, improve access to loans and capital, mentor assistance programs, etc.

• Signed The Families of Fallen Heroes Act, which covers the moving costs of immediate family members of those lost in service (military, intelligence, and security personnel) (2010)

 

ETHICS

• Ordered the White House and all federal agencies to respect the Freedom of Information Act and overturned Bush-era limits on accessibility of federal documents (2009)

• Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible (2009)

• Placed limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House (2009)

• Placed limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration (2009)

• Signed a measure strengthening registration and reporting requirements for lobbyists (2009)

• Ordered that lobbyists must be removed from and are no longer permitted to serve on federal and White House advisory panels and boards (2009) * Note: After saying he would not hire lobbyists, a few have been hired in the Administration

• Companies and individuals who are delinquent on their taxes or owe back taxes are no longer allowed to bid for federal contracts (2009)

• Initiated the “e-Rulemaking Initiative” (in cooperation with Cornell University) to allow for online public “notice and comment” of federal laws and initiatives (2010)

• Issued the “Open Gov Directive” ordering all Cabinet departments to promote transparency and citizen participation in their policies (2010)

• Signed extensions on banning lobbyists from serving on agency boards (2010)

• Developed the “Do Not Pay List” with data on contractors and recipients of federal funds who are deemed to be ineligible because of fraud and abuse (2010)

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RIGHTS

• Instituted enforcements for equal pay for women (Lilly Ledbetter Bill) (2009)

• Appointed Sonia Sotomayor, the first Latina, to the Supreme Court (2009)

• Held the first Seder in White House (2009)

• Appointed a diverse Cabinet and diverse White House staff (2009)

• Spoke at the annual dinner of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights organization (2009)

• Signed the first major piece of federal gay rights legislation that includes acts of violence against gays under the list of federal hate crimes (2009)

• Reversed the Bush-era practice of politicizing Justice Department investigations and prosecutions against political opponents (2009)

• Pushing for some of the 9/11 perpetrators to be tried in federal court (2009) * Note: The process has moved at a snail’s pace and, in the face of opposition, Obama has remained quiet

• Signed an extension of the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Bill to provide federal research and support for treating the disease (2009)

• Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees (2009)

• Proposed that the Pentagon repeal the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell†policy; placed a “freeze†on current efforts to remove alleged homosexuals from the military (2009)

• After eight years of neglect, the Justice Department and EEOC are again enforcing employment discrimination laws (2009)

• Convened the White House Tribal Nations Conference, inviting representatives from 564 federally-recognized Indian tribes (2009)

• Provided increased school projects for Indian lands and increased funds for the Indian Health Service (2009)

• Signed an Executive Order mandating that his Cabinet develop plans to work with and consult Indian tribes on issues impacting Indian lands (2009)

• Commissioned a study to develop alternatives to “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell†(2010)

• Called for federal agencies to look into recognizing gay partnerships in terms of benefits (2010)

• Signed an Executive Order for the President’s Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities (2010)

• Increased funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (2010)

• Signed Executive Order to promote the federal government as a “model employer†when it comes to hiring the disabled (2010) * Note: This includes new efforts to increase the recruitment, hiring, and training for the disabled

• Programs to assist Spanish speakers with the US Census (2010)

• Elena Kagen appointed to Supreme Court (2010)

• Tasked all federal agencies to develop new strategies to address HIV/AIDS (2010)

• After organizing studies on the topic in 2009, tasked the Pentagon to eliminate “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell†(2010)

• Signed Fair Sentencing Act (2010) * Note: The Administration continues to deescalate marijuana interdiction and raids; increased dramatically the amount of cocaine one must possess to be sentenced to jail; eliminated mandatory sentencing for first-time drug abusers and simple possession

EDUCATION

• Authorized construction funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access in K-12 public schools (2009)

• Increased funding for school construction (2009)

• Increased funding available for student loans (2009)

• Expanded the national youth service program (2009)

• Streamlined the federal student loan process to save $87 billion over the next 10 years (2009)

• Changed the rule to allow students struggling to make college loan payments to refinance their loans (2009)

• Beginning discussions with Congress for education reform (2009) * Note: Much of Obama’s education reform has been sidelined by opposition in Congress

• Initiated a “Race to the Top†competitive federal grant program for states who develop innovative policies (2009)

• Instituted a “judgment review†allowing families with student loans to petition to have their current financial status determine the loan rather than the previous year’s finances (2009)

• Launched “Educate to Innovate,†a public/private partnership making $236 million available for science, mathematics, and technology education programs (2009)

• Proposed capping the maximum amount students must pay on student loans (as percentage of their income) (2010)

• Proposed reducing student loan obligations for individuals going to work in community and public service jobs (2010)

• The federal government will offer direct student loans, cutting out the cost of private banks (“middle manâ€) who increase the costs in order to make a profit (2010)

• Increased investment in technologies for schools/education (2010)

DISASTER RESPONSE

• Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness (2009)

• FEMA once again reports directly to the president (2009) * Note: Bush removed FEMA (prior to the Hurricane Katrina disaster) from this status

• Demonstrated an immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters (2009)

• Ordered that funds be released and red tape be streamlined for the ongoing Hurricane Katrina recovery effort in the Gulf Coast (2009)

• Timely and massive relief effort in response to the January 2010 earthquake and ensuing humanitarian crisis (2010)

Components of the response:

- The FBI’s National Center for Disaster Fraud was tasked to look into possible fraud with organizations soliciting funds for relief

- Announced the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund

- Established an emergency Haiti Task Force in the State Department

- Established a website with information, resources, and a posting of a “person finder†online to help families and friends to locate loved ones

- Joint aid and relief planning with the U.K.

- Sponsored a resolution in the UN Security Council for additional security and police forces in Haiti

- Dispatched the US Navy floating hospital (USNS Comfort) and, within 5 days, 9 naval and relief ships, 5 Coast Guard cutters, 8 Coast Guard aircraft, and 12,000 US military personnel

- Initial dispatch of several ships and cargo planes full of humanitarian aid and supplies, 6 search/rescue teams (500 personnel), and 265 Department of Health & Human Services personnel for emergency medical and aid support

- Established a mobile US air traffic control center at the destroyed airport in Port-au-Prince

• After the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, a freeze was placed on new deep water projects (2010)

• Executive Order to establish new security measures to minimize accidental release of bio and chemical agents; new strategies for public health and bioterrorism response (2010)

• Established a national commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon spill to examine facts and report a plan of action; new efforts to prevent offshore spills (2010)

• After a slow start in responding to the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill, the White House is promoting a long-term plan to reconstruct the damaged Gulf and negotiated with BP the establishment of a multi-billion dollar trust fund for victims of the spill (2010)

• Extended national flood insurance program for those in need during current economic crisis (2010)

OTHER INITIATIVES

• New federal funding for science and research labs (2009)

• Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program (2009)

• Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program (2009)

• Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud (2009)

• Ordered the DEA to stop raids on medical marijuana usage (2009)

• Ordered a review of existing “mandatory minimum†prison sentencing (2009)

• Signed an order to limit airport tarmac delays and the time passengers had to sit in the plane/on the tarmac during delays (2009)

• Restored the EPA to “Cabinet level†status (2009) * Note: Bush removed the EPA from this status

• Beginning discussions with Congress for comprehensive immigration reform (2010)

* Note: Much of Obama’s immigration reform had been stalled by opposition in Congress

• Commissioned expert panels and reports from NASA; announced a new direction for human space flight that involves funding a new heavy lift-launcher and jettisoning the Ares 1 program; boosting NASA’s budget by $1 billion in 2011 (2010)

• Ordered a ban on text-messaging for all commercial truck and bus drivers (2010)

• Signed bill – FAA Air Transportaiton Modernizatin and Safety Improvement Act (2010)

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I love it! I turned the radio on ...as usual it was all about how the current pres deserves no credit, it's 100% given to the military/former pres. What a bunch of SOUR GRAPES.

One host even said the president timed it on purpose to interrupt Trumps show.

I know and I fully agree.

 

while I think Obama is a cutie, he reminds me so much of my father. Change the skin tone and you'd have my dad.

:D

Nice dad. :)

 

Let's be frank...those gas pump prices were coming long, long before Obama was President.

 

AFA Obama not having actually killed Bin Laden, I can and absolutely do consider him personally responsible for the incisive tactical skill with which this mission was carried out. I've said for quite some time now that I voted for Obama in large part because of his cool head, and I think he has now thoroughly proven my point. They watched this compound since last year; they got the best intelligence they possibly could. Obama insisted on a special forces maneuver instead of an air strike so we could be sure we got them. There were no civilian casualties, no casualties among the SEALs, and we were out of there before Pakistan even had time to scramble their forces in response. That mission was absolutely surgical, and that had everything to do with Obama. Even Limbaugh was willing to concede that point.

Absolute gold. Your words are gold. :hurray:

 

And the part that makes me giggle the most is that gas SHOULD be $4 a gallon. It should actually be much, much more. It's a nonrenewable energy source and as such, we should treat it like that - not like it's a priviledge for all modern people!!!!

I'd love to see gas go to $10 a gallon. Then perhaps people would take our planet seriously.

but I'd sure as heck miss my Amazon deliveries.

:lol:

Those of us in other countries laugh at Americans complaining about gas prices.

 

I also can't have someone as president of my country who would walk around the planet looking like he's got a dead, moth eaten rat on his head.

:smilielol5:

 

The other thing that I want to put out there is that there are citizens of this country who have said that Obama is NOT on our side, and that his agenda is un-American and therefore would not make any good decisions. So when he makes a good decision that turns out well, it's just him "doing his job" that any pres. would have done.

I still don't get why he has to take all the blame, whether he has control or not but never get to take any of the credit, whether he has control or not.

:iagree:

 

And Sis, thank you. :grouphug:

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I know and I fully agree.

 

 

:D

Nice dad. :)

 

 

Absolute gold. Your words are gold. :hurray:

 

 

:lol:

Those of us in other countries laugh at Americans complaining about gas prices.

 

 

:smilielol5:

 

 

:iagree:

 

And Sis, thank you. :grouphug:

 

That's what I tell DH every time he complains about the price of filling our tank. The US has comparatively inexpensive fuel prices when you look at the situation globally.

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Again, I will ask, and again, I will get no answer......what good has Obama done for our country since he has been in office?

 

It's sort of a strange question. I mean, obviously whether one considers the things President Obama has done to be "good" or not is going to vary by individual and by personal political leaning. But he's a not a president who's criticized for not doing anything. There have been presidents like that, but he's not one. If anything, he's criticized for doing too much. It's pretty clear, whether you like him or not, that he's accomplished a great deal in a short amount of time; I imagine he'd be lot less controversial if he were less effective. So it's not hard to give you a huge list, as Sis has done, but somehow I doubt that's going to convince you that he's a great president. If the standard is "what good has he done that everyone in the country agrees is good?" then I'm not sure we've ever had a good president.

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HE didn't kill OBL. All he did was tell our very courageous troops to go get him...which is what any acting president would've done.

 

It's interesting...this exact scenario actually came up during the campaign. Obama said that he would act without Pakistan's go ahead if he had credible evidence that Osama Bin Laden was there and had a chance to get him. He was attacked repeatedly by both Senator Clinton and Senator McCain as being incredibly naive because of this answer. So maybe "any acting president" would do the same thing, but during the campaign the two other candidates who came closest to being president mocked Obama for saying that he would do it.

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It's interesting...this exact scenario actually came up during the campaign. Obama said that he would act without Pakistan's go ahead if he had credible evidence that Osama Bin Laden was there and had a chance to get him. He was attacked repeatedly by both Senator Clinton and Senator McCain as being incredibly naive because of this answer. So maybe "any acting president" would do the same thing, but during the campaign the two other candidates who came closest to being president mocked Obama for saying that he would do it.

 

:iagree:Many former leaders and candidates have been too easy and laid back on our so called allies in the middle east. He made a decisive move that not all leaders would have made without pulling in Pakistan. The fact that bin Laden was in the middle of large compound in a military area does not fare well for the Pakistani government as being true allies. Others just wanted to bomb the compound, which might have left questions hanging who they got and could have led to civilian casualties. I think all involved should get due credit. Our navy seals are an amazing and brave group. But as president, he did have difficult decisions to make. This could have easily gone differently.

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It's interesting...this exact scenario actually came up during the campaign. Obama said that he would act without Pakistan's go ahead if he had credible evidence that Osama Bin Laden was there and had a chance to get him. He was attacked repeatedly by both Senator Clinton and Senator McCain as being incredibly naive because of this answer. So maybe "any acting president" would do the same thing, but during the campaign the two other candidates who came closest to being president mocked Obama for saying that he would do it.

 

:iagree:

Obama said from the outset that finding bin Laden should be a top national security priority. When Bush was president, he didn't set the same level of priority on bin Laden. Here's an excerpt from a 2002 press conference:

 

Terror is bigger than one person. And he's just -- he's a person who's now been marginalized. His network, his host government has been destroyed. He's the ultimate parasite who found weakness, exploited it, and met his match. He is -- as I mentioned in my speech, I do mention the fact that this is a fellow who is willing to commit youngsters to their death and he, himself, tries to hide -- if, in fact, he's hiding at all. So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you.

Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run.

 

The president makes decisions about where to focus national security resources and what our priority should be. He's the only one who could make the call about whether to violate Pakistani sovereignty to go after bin Laden unilaterally. He had to make the call about whether to bomb the compound or go in with ground forces.

 

If you're going to say that Obama didn't have anything to do with it - he just signed off on the decision - then by that standard no president ever does anything. Someone else is always the person on the ground. Someone else is always advising.

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Thank you Sis!

 

It's interesting...this exact scenario actually came up during the campaign. Obama said that he would act without Pakistan's go ahead if he had credible evidence that Osama Bin Laden was there and had a chance to get him. He was attacked repeatedly by both Senator Clinton and Senator McCain as being incredibly naive because of this answer. So maybe "any acting president" would do the same thing, but during the campaign the two other candidates who came closest to being president mocked Obama for saying that he would do it.

 

Yes this.

 

There were numerous attempts/possibilities at apprehending/killing OBL by other administrations that FAILED.

 

( Clinton attempted at least 3 times but failed at each attempt. Towards the end of his presidency he was probably too busy trying not to get thrown out of office for his personal affairs or maybe too busy enjoying them.)

 

(Bush completely botched at Tora Bora)

 

Since his campaign, Pres. Obama wanted to end the detour in Iraq and move the direction of the war toward Afghanistan and Pakistan. He also narrowed down the overly broad term "War on Terror" and brought it into some focus. The focus was more on Al-Queda and OBL. (Not Suddam Hussain, Iraq, and all terror) I mean really how does one go about ridding the WORLD of something that has always been. Terrorism is not some new phenomenon. The Taliban and Al-Queda got jumbled into one organization with the other administration, they are two SEPARATE organizations. Yes they worked together, yes they sometimes shared some intelligence, but there needed to be more FOCUS. This does not mean we should not fight against the Taliban, but a clear differentiation is necessary so we can get the intelligence straight.

 

He's been working on this for at least 8 months and meanwhile half of America is busy calling him UN-American, socialist, etc, while others that did vote for him are saying he's not pulling out of the war fast enough and not doing other things fast enough. I'm very impressed at his judgement and direction.

 

Does this mean I agree with all of his policies? Heck no. But I do think he has been doing a fabulous job despite it all.

 

Maybe you could say he was doing what any President would do, but he did it RIGHT.

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I find the picture of Obama offensive. HE didn't kill OBL. All he did was tell our very courageous troops to go get him...which is what any acting president would've done.

 

Just out of curiosity, did you say "acting president" as a slip of the fingers or do you actually mean that the current president is only an "acting" president?

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