fj62 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 It is my understanding that this is what Muslims believe, but what about traditional Christian teaching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 This is what I was taught, however, I learned it in college, not church. I'm not sure the Christian church discusses it one way or the other, generally speaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I don't recall it ever being brought up in church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4kids4me Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I learned that in church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amy g. Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 That is what I have always been taught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHGrandma Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 That's what I've learned in church. Also read in some book that Esau's offspring married Ismaels offspring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibbygirl Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I read that in the OT and also have heard it in church as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geo Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I read that in the OT and also have heard it in church as well. Ditto. Geo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garga Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Another vote for taught it in church, usually somewhere in a teaching of Abraham being the father of many nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRAAB Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 That's what I learned in church. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelly in the Country Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Yup, that's what I was always taught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jann in TX Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Abraham was to be the father of MANY nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 So, now I'm wondering... why ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 That has always been my understanding, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne in CA Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I learned this in church and understood it from my own Bible reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Yes, of course. How could it not be so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retired Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I am a Christian that came to this conclusion after reading the bible. That Ismael wandering in the area bordering Egypt. This area is Muslim, so he would of been the father of the Arabic people who later became Muslim My church only emphasized Abraham as the father of many nations. I really never but in into the religious divide Jewish/Christian and Muslim until I was old enough to understand the Arabic nations hatred of Israel. This seems to be an ancestral hatred. That the oldest son did not receive his inheritance but was sent away. That the Israel land belongs to the descendants of Ismael not Isaac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingChris Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Yes that is what we believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earth Angel_79 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Yes, that is what I've always believed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ereks mom Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 As far as I know, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB in NJ Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Every Bible-preaching church I've been a member of has taught this, yes. Never heard it in the church I grew up in though. Never heard much of the Bible growing up, come to think of it :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummix3 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 (edited) I am a Christian that came to this conclusion after reading the bible. That Ismael wandering in the area bordering Egypt. This area is Muslim, so he would of been the father of the Arabic people who later became Muslim My church only emphasized Abraham as the father of many nations. I really never but in into the religious divide Jewish/Christian and Muslim until I was old enough to understand the Arabic nations hatred of Israel. This seems to be an ancestral hatred. That the oldest son did not receive his inheritance but was sent away. That the Israel land belongs to the descendants of Ismael not Isaac. Although this is not answering the original question I would like to put my .02 in. As a Muslim we believe that Abraham took Hajar, who we believe was his second wife, to the land of Mecca along with their son Ismael because of Sara's jealousy. He would visit them from time to time. After some time when Ismael was older we believe that Abraham received a message from God to build a house of worship with his son Ismael, the Kaba in Mecca. No where in Islamic history, that I have seen or learned, does it say that there was "ancestral hatred" towards Israel, nor any talk of inheritance. As Muslims we love all the Prophets. We also believe that it was Ismael that Abraham was to sacrifice and not Isaac. Any hatred that the Palestinian people (Christian or Muslim) currently have may be due to the oppression they face daily and the occupation of lands where they once resided, but that's another story (which BTW I do not wish to entertain :) ). Michelle Edited October 10, 2009 by mLeroux addition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 (edited) I would also not be quick to say that historically there's been a Jewish/Christian and Muslim divide, given that there are lands where Muslims and Jews coexisted peacefully for long periods of time (e.g. Spain, Turkey, Syria), and there have been plenty of examples of anti-Jewish behavior by Christians (e.g. inquisition / expulsion of non-Christians from Spain, holocaust). Edited October 10, 2009 by stripe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole M Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I learned that in Rod & Staff English 5! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagira Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Never heard this before until I was an adult. Then again, I am Catholic :) It sounds interesting, though. I always thought it unfair that Esau or Ishmael didn't get the right treatment. Sarah jumped the gun there and didn't trust God enough to wait. In my ds' parlance: No fair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary in VA Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I always thought it unfair that Esau or Ishmael didn't get the right treatment. Sarah jumped the gun there and didn't trust God enough to wait. In my ds' parlance: No fair! I don't think Esau was an innocent victom in the whole affair. Remember he "despised his birthright" and sold it for a bowl of soup. So he demonstrated what he valued. Now of course Jacob was deceitful, but he ended up with a dysfunctional family, to say the least! But God still accomplishes his purposes even when his sinful people mess up. :001_smile: Mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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