DhanyaCali Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Ah. So it is true. I very such thought it was. SO SAD for Anna. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I'm confused by what you say. (Not a Duggar fan, btw.) Josh confessed to being unfaithful to his wife AND to viewing porn. Didn't he? He didn't give the details of any internet site, but he did acknowledge adultery and porn. How is that not a confession? Truly asking here... It's a definition problem. Viewing porn is being unfaithful in their theology. One does not have to "do the deed" in order to be unfaithful. So the confession may only be for porn. While I don't care a fig per se about what he confesses to in terms of the general public, my concern is that it's misleading, and well, Anna needs to know if he has been with someone else and not just "unfaithful in his heart" as would be how it is said in Gothardese. Gothardese is subtle deniability. That's the sticky point. If he actually went through with the hook up, I hope with all my heart that he told Anna. My concern for her is that she won't see a doctor if he "half-trothed" on this. Then again, the pressure on her to not see a doctor period will be huge because it is taken as a lack of faith in a believing wife. Sigh.... Such a wicked mess. I hope she gets to a safe place period. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggieamy Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 You all watch, in a few years those two will be on the lecture circuit giving very high cost workshops on how to build a stronger marriage. And people will pay up to learn their lessons. They might even get a new show and come back stronger than ever. Or at least richer than ever. I don't know. I think ol' Joshy is going to end up in prison before all this is over. I suspect this is just the beginning of what's going to come out on this guy. He's a child molester and a cheater and he's been looking at porn on the internet. Do we really think that's all he's been up to? Nope. I feel so bad for Anna. She seems like such a gentle soul whose life is being ripped from her. That happens to a lot of people but they don't have to experience it on the cover of tabloids. I think she'll be okay though. She's got sisters who escaped. Frankly this might be a good thing. This guy's downfall will HOPEFULLY allow her to get away from him and to get her kids away from him. And from his creep-o family. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 This whole thing brings to mind Susan's, "Art of Public grovel". 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 My heart hurts for his wife. She's so darn young. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Anna needs to know, but not via her in-laws' internet page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Peregrine Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Looking at the profile pics on AM is probably considered porn to them. I can't believe he let Anna release her statement defending him when the first scandal broke. Douchebag, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I haven't noticed that to be true in this case. ;) You have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IfIOnly Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I highly doubt Josh actually had an affair in the flesh. I'm pretty sure we would have heard about it by now from someone seeking their 15 min. or just wanting others to know what a slime he is. I can't stand the Duggars. I could do a whole spiel about my experience with knowing types like them. I run far, far away from them now. Life is too short for that toxic waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikin' Mama Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Problem here. Big red flag. This site is not about porn, it's about meeting for hook ups. I have no doubt that he's into porn, but he never even addressed this issue. If it's stolen identity including IP address which is really not likely, he could have denied this aspect. He didn't even address it. Not at all. One can view porn and not solicit for a hook up. That's pretty common. He solicited for a hook up, whether or not he went through with it being another issue. So again, not a real confession or apology...a half the story attempt to shut everyone up. Therefore, this isn't going to "go away" for him in the media because he still hasn't addressed the Ashley Madison issue. I think you're wonderful, FaithManor, and I'm NOT a Duggar fan, but I'm not sure what else he could say. What am I missing? ETA: You answered my question above. You must have been posting as I was scrolling. :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I think that has more to do with the fact that women tend to be more aware of their vulnerability to rape and being killed in such circumstances. I am not saying that men don't have the same vulnerability, but they aren't as used to having to think about it. DH will use an Uber car if he needs to. His female coworkers only use Uber in groups, never alone. I've had to educate dh about things. when he started working from home - he'd have clients come here when he was able. needless to say, there were women who didn't want to (even though I was usually here too.). I had to explain to him, in very blunt terms, WHY so many women preferred to meet him in a public place. it was so off his radar (because it would never even enter his consciousness to take advantage of such a situation), it took him awhile to come to comprehension this was a risk for women. just this morning, dh and ds and I ended up with a conversation about people don't shout help when they're in danger (they get ignored) - they yell fire. I brought up women are taught to scream "fire" not "rape" because fire will get all the gawkers running towards them - and rape will have people running away. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Looking at the profile pics on AM is probably considered porn to them. I can't believe he let Anna release her statement defending him when the first scandal broke. Douchebag, indeed. :confused1: he (and their ati handlers) probably insisted she publically defend him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Aw, so now I have a dilemma because I have two public figures competing for my personal title of Biggest Douchebag Ever - Josh Duggar and Donald Trump. Who to pick? One is a bigger douchebag in public, the other (tries) to keep his douchebagginess private. Such a dilemma. Afaik, Trump has never had a hand in legislation that would call for killing gay people. I know who has my vote. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I've had to educate dh about things. when he started working from home - he'd have clients come here when he was able. needless to say, there were women who didn't want to (even though I was usually here too.). I had to explain to him, in very blunt terms, WHY so many women preferred to meet him in a public place. it was so off his radar (because it would never even enter his consciousness to take advantage of such a situation), it took him awhile to come to comprehension this was a risk for women. just this morning, dh and ds and I ended up with a conversation about people don't shout help when they're in danger (they get ignored) - they yell fire. I brought up women are taught to scream "fire" not "rape" because fire will get all the gawkers running towards them - and rape will have people running away. This so unfortunately true. Sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 They've posted a statement on their website: http://duggarfamily.com/michelles-blog?ID=651536de-8b7d-4525-afb0-3f525bc390e1 It says: Quote Statement from Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar: Please see the statement below from our son Josh regarding recent media stories about him. When we learned of this late last night our hearts were broken. As we continue to place our trust in God we ask for your prayers for Josh, Anna, our grandchildren and our entire family. Statement from Josh Duggar: I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife. I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him. I brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions that happened when I was 14-15 years old, and now I have re-broken their trust. The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country, I was hiding my own personal failings. As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose to our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example. I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time. Josh Duggar MOST OF ALL JESUS! Of all the people who he's offended, Jesus' opinion is his biggest concern? Oy vey. I can't stand this garbage. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Afaik, Trump has never had a hand in legislation that would call for killing gay people. I know who has my vote. No, just immigrants. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeAgain Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 MOST OF ALL JESUS! Of all the people who he's offended, Jesus' opinion is his biggest concern? Oy vey. I can't stand this garbage. Jesus holds the banhammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 No, just immigrants. It's a douchbag tie!!! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Beware of political chatting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Aw, so now I have a dilemma because I have two public figures competing for my personal title of Biggest Douchebag Ever - Josh Duggar and Donald Trump. Who to pick? One is a bigger douchebag in public, the other (tries) to keep his douchebagginess private. Such a dilemma.With Trump, who you see is who you get. He's a bloviating narcissist but makes no effort to conceal it. I can handle that better than duplicity, sneakiness and hypocrisy. Note: this is not a political post. Trump the man, the developer, the TV personality has been a bloviating narcissst his entire public life. I am not commenting on his politics in anyway shape or form. :) 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Aw, so now I have a dilemma because I have two public figures competing for my personal title of Biggest Douchebag Ever - Josh Duggar and Donald Trump. Who to pick? One is a bigger douchebag in public, the other (tries) to keep his douchebagginess private. Such a dilemma. trump is a blowhard who doesn't care what other people think. he's successfully run businesses. to my knowledge he's never been accused of child molestation. (Ivana retracted accusation of one incident she made during their divorce.) his daughters have education and get out in the world. his reality show doesn't feature any of his minor children. josh is overly concerned with his "public image". he can't run a business (let alone hold down a skilled labor or white collar job), is a known child molester, treats his wife and children like property and tells her what to say. he peddles his young family on tv for his main source of income,. I'd say josh wins the douche contest hands down. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Problem here. Big red flag. This site is not about porn, it's about meeting for hook ups. I have no doubt that he's into porn, but he never even addressed this issue. If it's stolen identity including IP address which is really not likely, he could have denied this aspect. He didn't even address it. Not at all. One can view porn and not solicit for a hook up. That's pretty common. He solicited for a hook up, whether or not he went through with it being another issue. So again, not a real confession or apology...a half the story attempt to shut everyone up. Therefore, this isn't going to "go away" for him in the media because he still hasn't addressed the Ashley Madison issue. You're absolutely right, but "porn addiction" solicits sympathy like nothing else. After all, umpteen million people have been convinced by now that porn is "every man's battle," and that just thinking abut boobies in a good way means you're a dispicable person. Good lord, what heterosexual young man alive under those circumstances hasn't already convinced himself he's part monster? Homosexual young men are of course even worse. Abominations before god because that's "perverse." So of course men who have been essentially brainwashed to respond to sexual arousal with guilt and shame will sympathize for him. And of course women who have brainwashed in the same way will work harder to not be a source of further temptation. Nothing like a good, healthy dose of self-loathing to ensure a constant flow of support to the *one thing* that can relieve that self-loathing: More. More dedication, more faith, more prayer, more trust. If he's got half a brain, he's already hired a PR rep who has crunched the numbers and decided on the path of greatest advantage because underneath it all, he's a practical man. Everyone is when the rubber meets the road. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 This whole thing brings to mind Susan's, "Art of Public grovel". then they're doing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimm Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Shh! Stop talking about Trump, we'll get in trouble! :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yes, he is setting himself up for a big comeback, isn't he? Just think of the fees he can collect telling his sob story, while his wife gazes at him with limpid adoring eyes.... Worked for Jim Baker. Phase 1. Sob on camera Phase 2. Phase 3. Profit 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I highly doubt Josh actually had an affair in the flesh. I'm pretty sure we would have heard about it by now from someone seeking their 15 min. or just wanting others to know what a slime he is. I can't stand the Duggars. I could do a whole spiel about my experience with knowing types like them. I run far, far away from them now. Life is too short for that toxic waste. I dunno about that. There's a lot of people who have no idea who he even is. If I didn't have a special dislike for Bill Gothard (having gone to his multiple day seminar and seen families hurt by it), I doubt who he was would register with me. There's plenty of opportunities for anonymous sex, especially when one is pretty non-descript looking. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Jesus THOR holds the banhammer. FTFY ^_^ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Worked for Jim Baker. Phase 1. Sob on camera Phase 2. Phase 3. Profit He'll be the anti-porn activist. I can see it already. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lang Syne Boardie Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 You have to understand the subculture. Faith Manor and Albeto are right -- "secret porn addition" is the coward's way out in this case, because that doctrine is triggered. Men are helpless against porn. Porn is everywhere. Poor Josh is a casualty of the culture war, a victim of the Whore of Babylon, pray for deliverance. There but for the grace of God go all our husbands and sons. Well, what if he'd said, "I paid money to meet women for sex. Whether I succeeded or not, that's what I signed up for." Nothing to trigger. Risk of actual blame. Of course he didn't confess that. It's not real guilt or a real confession. It's saying what the handlers think people want to hear, although he's obviously sick of doing that. 29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IfIOnly Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 That's as honest of a statement as he could issue. I hope, for everyone's sake, they can actually heal from this. Such a mess :( I hope for everyone's sake Anna gets a backbone and starts being a real help to her husband by not enabling him and his twisted thinking/beliefs. Guys like that hate it when their wife starts seeing clearly and stop becoming an accessory and starts breaking the cycle for their children and husband's sake . It's the best thing that could ever happen to them (those husbands/families) though. ETA: That's the only way true healing will come IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Can someone tell me why this is news? Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yes, I was thinking of Jim Bakker too. Actually, many come to mind, but JB in particular had quite an effective come back. Some of the others, like Jack Hyles - mega church pastor of Hammond, IN - just managed to keep it under wraps until he was old. In his case, he was out there advocating a lot of the same modesty and sex crap that the Duggars, Gothard, Phillips, and Wilson peddle and the whole dang time keeping a mistress. I'm waiting for the Doug Phillips come back. I really think there is one coming. This twisted perspective of human sexuality is just so damaging it sickens the heart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawz4me Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I highly doubt Josh actually had an affair in the flesh. I'm pretty sure we would have heard about it by now from someone seeking their 15 min. or just wanting others to know what a slime he is. I can't stand the Duggars. I could do a whole spiel about my experience with knowing types like them. I run far, far away from them now. Life is too short for that toxic waste. I dunno. I think there are probably many, many people out there who have no clue who the Duggars are, and especially not one of the kids. I'd barely heard of them until I joined this site. Just not on my radar at all. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 If indeed he hooked up with one of the very few women on the site, wouldn't she want to keep it a secret (from her husband/kids/etc) since it's supposed to be a site for married people? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Can someone tell me why this is news? Really. Because the Duggars have made themselves news by reproducing often. And rating. And clearly people have opinions about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 These people consider looking in the display window at Victoria's Secret to be participating in porn and DON'T GO TO THE BEACH because it's immoral to see a person in a bathing suit. Hands down my largest issue with them is that all sexual sin- from looking at risqué ads to horrendous criminal acts like child rape to be, more or less the same. So to them, a man noticing an attractive beach volleyball player is more or less on the same level as a man who visits an underaged coerced or even enslaved sex worker in Thailand on his vacation. That's truly messed up thinking. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoobie Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 You have to understand the subculture. Faith Manor and Albeto are right -- "secret porn addition" is the coward's way out in this case, because that doctrine is triggered. Men are helpless against porn. Porn is everywhere. Poor Josh is a casualty of the culture war, a victim of the Whore of Babylon, pray for deliverance. There but for the grace of God go all our husbands and sons. Well, what if he'd said, "I paid money to meet women for sex. Whether I succeeded or not, that's what I signed up for." Nothing to trigger. Risk of actual blame. Of course he didn't confess that. It's not real guilt or a real confession. It's saying what the handlers think people want to hear, although he's obviously sick of doing that. Nike! It's the boobeez's fault! (Gag) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Can someone tell me why this is news? Really. By all the dear gods, please do share with us your insight as to why an incestuous pedophile secretly soliciting for sex from strangers during the years he profited from accusing LGBTQ for doing this very thing wouldn't be of interest to the public? 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluegoat Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 It's a definition problem. Viewing porn is being unfaithful in their theology. One does not have to "do the deed" in order to be unfaithful. So the confession may only be for porn. While I don't care a fig per se about what he confesses to in terms of the general public, my concern is that it's misleading, and well, Anna needs to know if he has been with someone else and not just "unfaithful in his heart" as would be how it is said in Gothardese. Gothardese is subtle deniability. That's the sticky point. If he actually went through with the hook up, I hope with all my heart that he told Anna. My concern for her is that she won't see a doctor if he "half-trothed" on this. Then again, the pressure on her to not see a doctor period will be huge because it is taken as a lack of faith in a believing wife. Sigh.... Such a wicked mess. I hope she gets to a safe place period. Well, he said viewing porn led him to be unfaithful, and the comment was in response to being outed for being on AM. So I think it is pretty difficult to interpret it as anything other than saying yes he actually had sexual encounters of some kind with other women. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I highly doubt Josh actually had an affair in the flesh. Who cares? Or rather, why should anyone care? That's simply irrelevant to a much more important issue here. He's a dangerous person because he is was a likable face that promoted "family values" at the expense of an entire community that does not disrupt or corrupt or threaten family values. He's been the face of an ideology that unwittingly creates the very monsters they warn others to avoid, all the while, pointing their fingers and identifying innocent people as monsters. Only now it's not so unwitting. The ONLY reason people continue to support this dangerous ideology is because people like Josh Dugger are jumping over each other to capitalize on the fear and gullibility of the most emotionally and intellectually vulnerable people. That's despicable, and the very thing his ideology pretends is a problem only among the unbelievers. I could do a whole spiel about my experience with knowing types like them. I run far, far away from them now. Life is too short for that toxic waste. Life is too short. And it's precious. And families who think they are separated from the likes of Duggar but still promote the same general ideology are part of the problem. The only way people will understand this is to hear it again and again and again, to see different examples, to watch how it can play out in different ways. For different people, different events and explanations "click." So it must be repeated. To do this, society must expose hypocrisy and predatory behavior whenever possible. There's a reason people call out patriarchy and misogyny. There's a reason we call out the nurture of such ideologies, even when speaking with well intentioned parents and spouses that think they don't do do that, even when that ideology is wrapped up in carefully chosen vocabulary that capitalizes on all the "right" words. Because life is too short. It's too precious. One shouldn't be conditioned so thoroughly that they abdicate their own well being for the sake of a promise that can only be hoped to be delivered after death. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corraleno Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I highly doubt Josh actually had an affair in the flesh. I'm pretty sure we would have heard about it by now from someone seeking their 15 min. or just wanting others to know what a slime he is. I can't stand the Duggars. I could do a whole spiel about my experience with knowing types like them. I run far, far away from them now. Life is too short for that toxic waste. If he met a woman through AM who was also married, and was equally determined to kept the encounter secret, then she'd be unlikely to come forward. And she may not have even known at the time that the guy she met, "Joe Smithson," was actually Josh Duggar. I haven't read through any of the data, but those who have said he paid an extra $250 to guarantee an affair or your money back, and there is no record of the money being refunded. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Well, he said viewing porn led him to be unfaithful, and the comment was in response to being outed for being on AM. So I think it is pretty difficult to interpret it as anything other than saying yes he actually had sexual encounters of some kind with other women. That's my conclusion as well. I have a friend with a husband who has a similar path to infidelity many years ago. Porn first, but he wanted more than just watching. Then some other things until he ultimately ended up soliciting prostitutes. He was not caught. He confessed to his wife. They are still together, and happier than ever, but it was a hard road for their marriage. It was rough for a while. Most people do not know the details. I do because my friend chose to share them with me. It doesn't surprise me that Josh did not share the details in his statement. Those only need to be shared with Anna. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 That's my conclusion as well. I have a friend with a husband who has a similar path to infidelity many years ago. Porn first, but he wanted more than just watching. Then some other things until he ultimately ended up soliciting prostitutes. He was not caught. He confessed to his wife. They are still together, and happier than ever, but it was a hard road for their marriage. It was rough for a while. Most people do not know the details. I do because my friend chose to share them with me. It doesn't surprise me that Josh did not share the details in his statement. Those only need to be shared with Anna. And his church elders. And no doubt his dad. And his PR agent. And, if profitable, to the public. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasider Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Well now the link appears to be broken, thanks for cutting and pasting his statement here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 These people consider looking in the display window at Victoria's Secret to be participating in porn and DON'T GO TO THE BEACH because it's immoral to see a person in a bathing suit. Hands down my largest issue with them is that all sexual sin- from looking at risqué ads to horrendous criminal acts like child rape to be, more or less the same. So to them, a man noticing an attractive beach volleyball player is more or less on the same level as a man who visits an underaged coerced or even enslaved sex worker in Thailand on his vacation. That's truly messed up thinking. This is absolutely true. The theology teaches that it is all the same. NOT GOOD! It is damaging to the males because they can't see the boundaries, and hey if you've already done A, you may as well do B because it's all the same, and so on and so on until they are in the abyss and since prayer is the cure all for everything, professional counseling is shunned. The programs for sexual addiction that might help them are off limits for being "worldly". What a way to raise kids! :banghead: 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckymama Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Argh--ran out of "likes" two three four pages ago! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 This is absolutely true. The theology teaches that it is all the same. NOT GOOD! It is damaging to the males because they can't see the boundaries, and hey if you've already done A, you may as well do B because it's all the same, and so on and so on until they are in the abyss and since prayer is the cure all for everything, professional counseling is shunned. The programs for sexual addiction that might help them are off limits for being "worldly". What a way to raise kids! :banghead: And it makes the curious young light porn viewers feel as guilty and ashamed as if they were a child rapist. Conversely then the child rapist can minimize and rationalize their crime because "all men are guilty like this" and they aren't doing anything worse than that kid with his dad's playboys. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 People are angry at JD for demonizing homosexuals, yet those same people are demonizing religious people who have never done anything to hurt homosexuals or anyone else. I think this is news because it gives people an excuse to attack a large group of people because, like every group, it has some members who have done rotten things. In using JD as the jumping-off point, these people make the Duggars that much more famous and give them that much more power - even encourage them to capitalize on their wrongs. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinsomeCreek Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I don't know anything more than what is posted here. It looks pretty clearly like he just said he cheated. Hopefully this family will finally move away from the cameras and privately address their issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 And it makes the curious young light porn viewers feel as guilty and ashamed as if they were a child rapist. Conversely then the child rapist can minimize and rationalize their crime because "all men are guilty like this" and they aren't doing anything worse than that kid with his dad's playboys. Absolutely true! Look at Dougie boy Phillips. He grooms a girl from her teen years while he is her pastor and employer - she was the nanny - but in his mind those steps that he took to make sure he could take advantage of her as soon as she reached the age of consent aren't any worse than looking at a Playboy because it's all the same so he's not a pervert in his mind or Beall's and yet, yah...he's perv. Even by Texas legal code - clergy abuse. If you read the lawsuit, it's pretty disgusting, and culminated with him unable to give up his prey, and trying to climb through her bedroom window in the dead of night nearly getting himself shot by the young woman's father and brother who were armed for Iwo Jima! And still, he wouldn't confess to how bad he'd allowed himself to get and only called it, "an inappropriate emotional relationship". Good grief...groom a teen, abuse her, abuse your position of power over her, buy her an engagement ring on the promise that "Beall is going to die soon", trespass and nearly get plugged, hide out from the process server, but hey, it really wasn't that bad, right? 'Cause if you've already committed A, B-Z don't matter any more and especially when the "consequences" (sarcastic here) are the same no matter the gamut of actions from inconsequential to the community to profoundly tragic. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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