Parrothead Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 with the thread deleted? Surely we are better than that. Aren't we a group of adults? Why act like a bunch of teen-agers with hurt feelings? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I was looking for the Catholic marriage thread and I am stunned to find it deleted. Shaking my head, making the tsk, tsk, tsk noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Strawberry Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Why deleted? Why not just locked? Too contentious and divisive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer3141 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Because it's the internet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Did someone ask for it to be deleted? Can't only the OP ask for a thread to be deleted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildcat Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I think people here tend to say things they wouldn't normally say to others' faces, and that gets everyone worked up. As for the deleted vs locked, I don't get it. Yes, there were some unnecessary comments, but the many informative posts far surpassed those. There have been several threads deleted that I would rather have just been locked to preserve the helpful info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer3141 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Will we be at the nexus of the universe if this thread gets deleted?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter's Moon Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The OP of that thread asked that her last thread that turned controversial be deleted. Perhaps she did the same with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamaraby Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Because it's the internet?And being text/written word based, it tends to promote a certain level of word by word critique. Because some things are too divisive for a forum where posters come froma wide variety of backgrounds and perspectives? Because it's hard to have a general conversation where people take a relative view towards the issue when one (or both sides) insist that they have cornered the truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milovany Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I read the latest responses this morning and didn't see anything bad? Not sure what happened. I appreciated the conversation and didn't see it as an inflammatory thread. I must have a high tolerance for flammation ;) because when threads are locked or deleted I'm often left scratching my head as to why. Oh, well. Bye, bye useful information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinE Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 As for the deleted vs locked, I don't get it. Yes, there were some unnecessary comments, but the many informative posts far surpassed those. There have been several threads deleted that I would rather have just been locked to preserve the helpful info. I thought the information on the thread was very useful and interesting, for both RCC and EO faiths. Too bad it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Really? Yes, Dot, really. Talk to me like I'm five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I thought the information on the thread was very useful and interesting, for both RCC and EO faiths. Too bad it's gone. Well, the good thing is (applying some WTM math) the thread probably answered questions people had who never posted in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer3141 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 And being text/written word based, it tends to promote a certain level of word by word critique. Because some things are too divisive for a forum where posters come froma wide variety of backgrounds and perspectives? Because it's hard to have a general conversation where people take a relative view towards the issue when one (or both sides) insist that they have cornered the truth? The internet is good for scheduling social revolution as in, "Let's all go down to the square and protest President Mubarak's dictatorship!" and cat pictures and the anonymous purchasing of sexual aids. Maybe every once in awhile... books you cannot find in your local library from so they need to be purchased from amazon. But as for real discourse or in depth critical analysis of nearly any subject, I think the interwebs is horrible for it. That's one of the major reasons why I think our collective letting go of true journalism and settling for blogs written by a whole lot of untrained idiocy is not a great sign for us as a people. I'd like to bring Walter Conkite and Charles Kuralt back from the dead and put them in charge of training people in communcating events. And the web has isolated so many people. I see people posting stuff here about their lives and I can't help but think, "Why are you telling a bunch of strangers that!?!? Where's your best friend?!" And then I remember that far too many people have let "real life" people go. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I didn't see anything wrong with that thread. Ugg. Maybe the OP asked to have it poofed?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Strawberry Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The OP of that thread asked that her last thread that turned controversial be deleted. Perhaps she did the same with this one. This is my suspicion as well. It makes sense to me that the poster must ask for a thread to be deleted. I assumed the mods were making the choice. It seems to me that certain posters have very low tolerance for disagreement and dissension, even in the phrasing of comments , taking offense to anything that isn't phrased in the very gentlest manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 This is my suspicion as well. It makes sense to me that the poster must ask for a thread to be deleted. I assumed the mods were making the choice. It seems to me that certain posters have very low tolerance for disagreement and dissension, even in the phrasing of comments , taking offense to anything that isn't phrased in the very gentlest manner. I didn't like the way Jinnah kept saying the RCC's marriage stance was awful and terrible. I told her that after she did it a number of times. I wasn't the only one. What I didn't do was report any of the posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerine Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Did it at least end in cupcakes this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Did it at least end in cupcakes this time?No, because there was nothing wrong with the thread that would warrant cupcakes. There was no big issue. But since it's gone, you can only take my word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustEm Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Well now I'm pissed to realize that thread was deleted! I spent a lot of time invested on that thread because I wanted to educate OP and others on the teachings of the Catholic Church. Now when the next question like that arises I either have to repeat myself all over again (since I can't link to it) or ignore an honest inquiry. If the OP asked for it to be deleted I think the moderators were wrong to oblige. There was useful info in it, very little hostile comments, and if anything it made the OP look bad(not to me but to others.) So she wanted it deleted to spare her image being tarnished which she did herself. Thats bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 My suspicion is also that OP asked for it to be deleted. It seems that that and spamming are the only times deleting rather than locking occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustEm Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Ok done being pissed!! its been a long week already not being in the house because of a plumbing leak and I just needed to blow off steam! But I am getting annoyed with things being deleted because OP doesn't like how it portrays them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantlion Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 You know when you start a thread you don't own it. It creates a life of its own. If you don't like the direction you shouldn't just ask for it to be deleted, that's childish and makes more work for the mods. There are plenty of people who are willing to "chat" behind the scenes, that's what PMs are for. If search isn't working trying googling and adding well-trained mind to your search, it will pull posts from this board, ones that I can't find with the search feature here. As a previous regular poster would say, "Put on your big girl panties and deal with it." This is a vast community, world-wide with diverse beliefs and experiences and attitudes. If you're not willing to accept that and realize you will get people you don't like, don't agree with, and perhaps ones you find offensive replying to your post, then don't post. There is also a wonderful feature called ignore, learn it, use, know it. I have learned so much from some of the truly contentious threads. I've learned a new perspective, compassion for a situation I didn't truly understand until I saw it from another's eyes, patience in dealing with people who misunderstood my words, tolerance for people I don't agree with, and a true respect for so many here. This community can be non-superficial, I've seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Strawberry Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Well now I'm pissed to realize that thread was deleted! I spent a lot of time invested on that thread because I wanted to educate OP and others on the teachings of the Catholic Church. Now when the next question like that arises I either have to repeat myself all over again (since I can't link to it) or ignore an honest inquiry. If the OP asked for it to be deleted I think the moderators were wrong to oblige. There was useful info in it, very little hostile comments, and if anything it made the OP look bad(not to me but to others.) So she wanted it deleted to spare her image being tarnished which she did herself. Thats bullshit I completely agree. How discouraging to put so much work into something just to have it thrown in the trash. I'm a bit ticked that posters can have infinite do overs whenever they misbehave . I'I'm not usually one to use the t word, but inventing a ruckus, then deleting it repeatedly smells a little sour to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Crown Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Wish I'd kept a copy of the post I spent half an hour assembling and clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Wish I'd kept a copy of the post I spent half an hour assembling and clarifying. Me too. It was very informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinE Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 But as for real discourse or in depth critical analysis of nearly any subject, I think the interwebs is horrible for it. That's one of the major reasons why I think our collective letting go of true journalism and settling for blogs written by a whole lot of untrained idiocy is not a great sign for us as a people. I'd like to bring Walter Conkite and Charles Kuralt back from the dead and put them in charge of training people in communcating events. I have to disagree. When Walter Cronkite was wrong, there was no outlet to say how wrong he was. When a journalist is wrong now, there's many voices (with far more expertise) that can explain why. The voices may be loud, the voices can be idiots, but journalists (then and now) have no special knowledge or skill set other than sometimes being able to string words together well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 But as for real discourse or in depth critical analysis of nearly any subject, I think the interwebs is horrible for it. Oh, I disagree. Offline I'm really not at all confrontational. I smile and nod, I agree, I ask questions politely, and listen to people talk politely. Online I have the opportunity to pick apart what is said to see if there's any merit in the idea. I get to ponder an idea and come back to the conversation minutes, hours, even days later whereas offline my response is immediate, impulsive, and trite. I know I'm not alone in this, but I do recognize there is a lot of crud to wade through, a lot of logical fallacies to get in the way. I try and find resources that are informative rather than opinionated, and with a gazillion resources out there, I have a plethora of sites to choose from. And the web has isolated so many people. I see people posting stuff here about their lives and I can't help but think, "Why are you telling a bunch of strangers that!?!? Where's your best friend?!" And then I remember that far too many people have let "real life" people go. :( Not everyone online finds conversations offline easy. There are millions of people with some measure of social anxiety who simply don't have "real life people" to go to. People online are "real life," they just communicate through the written word. As for why the marriage thread was deleted, I can only imagine. It's frustrating to put time and effort into something that is arbitrarily censored. Censorship is one thing that is coming into light more and more, actually thanks to online communities exposing it, and conversations like this in which hundreds of people (millions on other sites) expose censorship. It was interesting to me to see the juxtaposition between the homeopathy thread thread and the marriage thread. In the homeopathy thread, people can say "it's bunk," they can call it a scam, they can point out there's not a shred of evidence to support it, it's a means of taking money from the foolish and gullible, but if someone were to say the same words about someone's religion, those comments would be censored and the poster would be punished in some way (points, bans, dogpiled). Interestingly, the thread that had to do with religion was perfectly polite and courteous, but because the topic is so sensitive, it must be protected, at least in someone's opinion. How ironic to see a topic censored from critical analysis on a forum that exists to support home educators who use critical analysis as the foundation for the education they provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyP Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 egregg23, I totally agree. I was just an outsider looking in, but that thread was a hugely informative thread to me. Far beyond the scope of just Catholic marriage. There were some excellent posts that I wanted to come back to. I am (this doesn't quite cut it) extremely bummed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8circles Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I didn't read most of thread and didnt see anything that bad. but I think its funny that the sensitive types are blamed instead of the jerks. I'm tired of entire threads being deleted for no apparent reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momee Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I didn't read the thread at all but have contemplated starting a conversation about the way some of us treat each other here. I agree that it must be the online factor. I think in the "real world" as well people have lost a sense of accountability to each other. The tone of the WTM boards has definitely changed over the 7/8 years I've been here. I have read some things lately that make me wonder..."Wow, would she say that to her face?" I also try to make note so as not to participate in a thread certain people are in. Grace seems to be something some refuse to offer if someone replies in a way that could be misread. In my opinion rudeness and (dare I say it) indecency is on the increase. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatherwith4 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I was really enjoying the thread. I like learning about the Catholic Church from you ladies. (And the EO church, too, for that matter.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer3141 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I have to disagree. When Walter Cronkite was wrong, there was no outlet to say how wrong he was. When a journalist is wrong now, there's many voices (with far more expertise) that can explain why. The voices may be loud, the voices can be idiots, but journalists (then and now) have no special knowledge or skill set other than sometimes being able to string words together well. When Walter Cronkite was a journalist, he actually gave a rip about whether he was right or wrong. He did not jump all over AP rumors and then stand back and say, "I just went with what the other guys were saying!" People were more patient because they wanted accuracy and a better standard of "facts" and "truth" than we are being offered today. Stories were researched and verified. For example, I read an article about Girl Scouts of America's updated camping polices this week. The blogger never actually checked the spelling of the FOUNDER'S name. Two days later, he threw up the sentence, "Hey, sorry I got HIS name wrong in my first draft. I was so tempted to write back with, "Hey, thanks for throwing a ROUGH draft out there on the web to start with, Numb Nut. And by the way, 'Juliette' should be a tip off that you're yakking about a woman." And then you have a subsection of society that thinks if it's on the web, it must be true because someone PUBLISHED it. If you're a blogger, you must know what you're talking about, right?!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudoMom Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 You know when you start a thread you don't own it. It creates a life of its own. If you don't like the direction you shouldn't just ask for it to be deleted, that's childish and makes more work for the mods. There are plenty of people who are willing to "chat" behind the scenes, that's what PMs are for. If search isn't working trying googling and adding well-trained mind to your search, it will pull posts from this board, ones that I can't find with the search feature here. As a previous regular poster would say, "Put on your big girl panties and deal with it." This is a vast community, world-wide with diverse beliefs and experiences and attitudes. If you're not willing to accept that and realize you will get people you don't like, don't agree with, and perhaps ones you find offensive replying to your post, then don't post. There is also a wonderful feature called ignore, learn it, use, know it. I have learned so much from some of the truly contentious threads. I've learned a new perspective, compassion for a situation I didn't truly understand until I saw it from another's eyes, patience in dealing with people who misunderstood my words, tolerance for people I don't agree with, and a true respect for so many here. This community can be non-superficial, I've seen it. It used to be the only thing we couldn't talk about here in a civil manner was politics (we did try, though, but managed to screw it up every time). It's a shame that it's changed; I've learned so much in the decade I've been here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I don't understand the comments comparing an online forum to what someone would say in speech. This is written communication. It is different. Yes, I do say things here that I wouldn't in speech because I wouldn't be able to formulate my thoughts and even arguments in as coherent a way when speaking extemporaneously. I agree that I don't like it when people are rude but sometimes people think that any kind of a discussion or dissenting opinion is rude when it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm one of those who didn't post in the thread, but I was reading it with great interest. My impression was that it was a thoughtful discussion with the majority of posters putting quite a bit of time, effort, and care in into their responses. It seems that more threads are getting deleted vs. just locked these days. Locking makes sense to me (at times) when a discussion has devolved to a point that it's no longer productive. The lawn mower thread from the other day should have been locked. Instead, it was deleted. Interestingly, that was the same OP as the one who started the Catholic marriage thread. If this trend continues, I imagine that the quality of discussions on this forum is going to be negatively impacted. Because many people aren't going to be willing to engage and invest in discussions if they think there's a high likelihood that a thread will be deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm one of those who didn't post in the thread, but I was reading it with great interest. My impression was that it was a thoughtful discussion with the majority of posters putting quite a bit of time, effort, and care in into their responses. It seems that more threads are getting deleted vs. just locked these days. Locking makes sense to me (at times) when a discussion has devolved to a point that it's no longer productive. The lawn mower thread from the other day should have been locked. Instead, it was deleted. Interestingly, that was the same OP as the one who started the Catholic marriage thread. If this trend continues, I imagine that the quality of discussions on this forum is going to be negatively impacted. Because many people aren't going to be willing to engage and invest in discussions at a high level if they think there's a high likelihood that a thread will be deleted. I make a point not to participate in threads started by people who have a habit of asking them to be deleted. I'm not calling out this particular poster. She's not the only one to do it and I don't think had a habit of doing this until recently. But this practice defeats the whole purpose of an online forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orthodox6 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Well, the good thing is (applying some WTM math) the thread probably answered questions people had who never posted in the thread. Possibly the majority of threads that I ever have read at WTM include rabbit-chasing. Sometimes it ruins a thread, sometimes it enhances the original post by providing related content-for-thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milovany Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 This is my suspicion as well. It's not correct. Jinnah did not ask for the thread to be deleted. Sure she was vocal in her disagreement with the RC stance, but so what? That's what we do here. She wasn't rude, just incredulous and not in agreement. So she wasn't aware that saying "Catholic or Christian" could be offensive; WE can choose to not be offended. Believe the best and all. Sad that people report this and create the idea that she's being argumentative just to stir things up. I've PM'd with her much, and her questions are sincere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Deleting threads also erases evidence of bad behavior on the part of a few posters. Far better in my opinion for the moderator to quote a couple egregious posts and then say, "This is why the thread is being locked." Some people are just nasty, and covering up for them by removing the evidence won't make them nice. It's a pity that an informative thread with posts members have put considerable thought into just goes *poof*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I make a point not to participate in threads started by people who have a habit of asking them to be deleted. I'm not calling out this particular poster. She's not the only one to do it and I don't think had a habit of doing this until recently. But this practice defeats the whole purpose of an online forum. I don't have a good enough sense of who to "avoid" to do that. ETA: Well, with a couple exceptions. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I make a point not to participate in threads started by people who have a habit of asking them to be deleted. I'm not calling out this particular poster. She's not the only one to do it and I don't think had a habit of doing this until recently. But this practice defeats the whole purpose of an online forum. Well, I must admit that given this poster's history of controversial/inflammatory statements and the deleted thread, I only took the time to post about my own experience in the EO Church, not to defend it. And then did point out that I found her statements to one poster in particular and setting up a Christian vs. Catholic dichotomy rude. Had I not recognized the poster as someone I felt had a history of pot-stirring, I would have felt more inclined to put more into my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasider Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I wasn't in on the particular thread in question, but I have to chime in here about all the threads that start with, "Don't quote me, I'll probably delete this later." Perhaps the rest of you find this a reasonable practice, I find it frustrating. I do think there are good cases for some entire thread deletion, but dissenting opinions common to public, online forums is not among them. I do wish that instead of disappearing entirely, a thread could be replaced with a single post by a moderator briefly stating the reason for deletion (and that thread being locked). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's not correct. Jinnah did not ask for the thread to be deleted. Sute she was vocal in her disagreement with the RC stance, but so what? She wasn't rude, just incredulous and not in agreement. Sad that people report this and create the idea that she's being argumentative just to stir things up. I've PM'd with her much, and her questions are sincere. If this is true (I'm not certain it is) than the post was deleted because people reported it? Do the moderators not read the threads when they are reported? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's not correct. Jinnah did not ask for the thread to be deleted. Sure she was vocal in her disagreement with the RC stance, but so what? She wasn't rude, just incredulous and not in agreement. Sad that people report this and create the idea that she's being argumentative just to stir things up. I've PM'd with her much, and her questions are sincere. I disagree. Saying the RCC's stance on annulment is "awful" and "terrible" and "just wrong" is rude when you say over and over again to people who are going thru the annulment process and those who support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudoMom Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I wasn't in on the particular thread in question, but I have to chime in here about all the threads that start with, "Don't quote me, I'll probably delete this later." Perhaps the rest of you find this a reasonable practice, I find it frustrating. I do think there are good cases for some entire thread deletion, but dissenting opinions common to public, online forums is not among them. I do wish that instead of disappearing entirely, a thread could be replaced with a single post by a moderator briefly stating the reason for deletion (and that thread being locked). I find it frustrating as well. If it needs to be deleted at some point, it probably shouldn't even be posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swellmomma Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I never read or posted in that thread so have no clue what is going on, but wanted to be included in this thread about it :)Also as far as the internet vs "real life" people. I have never had real life people in my life to go to. Finding a place on the internet to share and talk etc is what has saved me from that isolation. I could not imagine coping with my life as well as I do without having that outlet, I would have caved to the stresses and pressures a long time ago if I was limited to "real life" people because I would have remained completely isolated and alone. It would have killed me honestly.So I get why people share so much online, and why they get so invested in the lives of others. The people I connect with on here I do see as being my "real life" people kwimAs for threads being deleted. It is disrespectful imo for people to ask for threads to be deleted simply because they do not like the answers being given. The people that have replied have spent time and energy coming up with a reply, they have engaged with the OP in whatever thread and with anyone else participating, they are invested in sharing their truths with others and to requested (and have honored) to have the thread completely deleted is disrespectful to those posters.I have seen it with other threads, including ones I was participating in and it is so frustrating. Delete messages that are personal attacks for sure, lock a thread that is doing nothing but spinning in circles, but don't delete the whole thing because the OP didn't like the answers they got, those answers/information are helping educate someone else even if the OP of any given thread is being too close minded to consider anything other than their own views. It is particularily frustrating when it becomes a pattern of a given poster, to get ina huff that they don't like responses and ask for threads to be deleted. Asking for 1 thread ever to be deleted because it has gotten out of hand is one thing, making it a pattern of dealing with opposite opinions is another entirely. If you don't want to hear other viewpoints, don't start a thread plain and simple. Don't ask people to take time out of their day to answer you to then whine it is the wrong answer and ask for a deletion. THat is disrespectful and highly immature imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milovany Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 If this is true (I'm not certain it is) than the post was deleted because people reported it? Do the moderators not read the threads when they are reported? It's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudoMom Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's true. How can you be so sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's true. Are you basing this off of something she told you or do you have other information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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