simka2 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) I recieved this email tonight and I thought it would be of interest. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=1r6xsN0FYkDUu0XbrcqXLRxNUCNpk4bNoAcUJRWW7WEyM4PUHq3A225nJU4MO&hl=en_US&authkey=CMjJxIULI hope that link works. It turns out their was a mediation process going on :glare:. AIG backed out. Edited May 26, 2011 by simka2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) Here were the Mediator's recommendations. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=1KxFvFDmEixUQYD71B2b8f5rwihHBsI3HEKwuFruBZ27poXobBdNkxC-A9MMx&hl=en_US&authkey=CJ2Tlv8N Edited May 26, 2011 by simka2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsBasil Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I can not get either link to work. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutor Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Well, drat. I can't access the document. The first error message I get says that the document is either not available or I do not have permission to view it. The second says my Gmail account is unavailable. ??? Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dulcimeramy Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I can't get them either, simka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I can't access either document. Can you just tell us what it's about, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) I can't figure out how to send this. When I download from my email it is in a zip file. When I try to copy it goes into weird computer code. Errrgghhh. Edited May 26, 2011 by simka2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 Can anyone tell me if the new link in post 1 works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinRTX Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 The link works now. Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberia Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsBasil Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 First link works for me now! Thanks. Off to read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extendedforecast Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) Can anyone tell me if the new link in post 1 works? It took me to the gmail login page. ETA: I got it. I just had to log into my google accoun to see it. Question: Looking at item 6, I'm wondering about why it's biblically prohibited to go to a secular court. What am I not getting? Edited May 26, 2011 by extendedforecast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dulcimeramy Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 it works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 Well I am glad some of you can see it! If anyone knows a better way for me to get it posted let me know. Right now I have saved it as a google doc and changed the settings to allow anyone with the link to view it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciyates Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 How do you know AIG backed out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virg Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 ETA: Someone already told you it works :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) How do you know AIG backed out? Edited: it is in the 2nd link. Edited May 26, 2011 by simka2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheBrink Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 How do you know AIG backed out? The documentation says it did. (the 2nd link) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMCassandra Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Thank you so much for posting these! I really appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mandymom Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Question: Looking at item 6, I'm wondering about why it's biblically prohibited to go to a secular court. What am I not getting? 1 Corinthians 6:1-10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Good recommendations. I'm sorry to hear that AIG backed out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amey311 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 OKay - this is the Ken Ham/Don Landis vs. Brennan Dean/GHC mess. In the first post, I read "AIG" and thought it was that "Supermarket to the WOrld" place that sponsors NPR. American INternational Group. Just in case anyone else couldn't figure it out initially.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 OKay - this is the Ken Ham/Don Landis vs. Brennan Dean/GHC mess. In the first post, I read "AIG" and thought it was that "Supermarket to the WOrld" place that sponsors NPR. American INternational Group. Just in case anyone else couldn't figure it out initially.... Sorry, Amey!!! :D I was hoping the Kerfuffle title would give it away. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) It is so sad that AiG backed out. GHC? Class act. Edited May 26, 2011 by justamouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I just have to ask (it's my nature)...how do we know this document is authentic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amey311 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Sorry, Amey!!! :D I was hoping the Kerfuffle title would give it away. ;) I think if it had been a little closer to all of those posting (time-wise) it would've. I read the title and knew that "kerfuffle" should be triggering something, but once I read AIG, I got lost. WHY I would think of the insurance corporation instead of the religious group (? that's not the best word...) on this particular message board? I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 I just have to ask (it's my nature)...how do we know this document is authentic? Officially, I don't know with 100% accuracy. The email came to me from GHC. I had sent them a nice email when the kerfuffle started, so I assume that is when I got put on their email llist. I will say this. I read every post on Ken Ham's wall made by the lawyer that he eventually said was lying. Everything she said has been confirmed in the email. Again, I find that interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avila Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I just have to ask (it's my nature)...how do we know this document is authentic? I got the same email that Simka did from GHC. It had both attachments. I didn't go to the conference, but I did send an email to them in support during th kerfluffle, so I guess they saved those emails and sent this out as a delayed response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kchara Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I got the same email. I really, truly appreciate GHC's class in all of this. Unfortunately, it's not going to change a lot of people's opinions. Apparently, something similar has happened before with AiG (backing out of mediation) a few years ago, when they split from CMI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 :iagree: The linked documents say a lot about character. It was difficult for me to put into words at the time, but the very "silence" from GHC and the "noise" from Ken Ham was a huge tell for me. I had been in a similar situation at one time. I chose to jump thru every legal and relevent hoop presented to me (without it turning into a public mess) I wasn't able to defend myself. Eventually, I had all my ducks in row and the truth came out. My attacker was able to say whatever he wanted, for a time, but in the beginning I couldn't. I realize I was projecting on the GHC/Ken Ham situation, but when GHC remained silent I really started to wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELaurie Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I got the same email that Simka did from GHC. It had both attachments. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiopianFood Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I wonder if the mods are sighing over this thread. LOL Thanks for posting this. I too am impressed with how GHC has handled this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 I wonder if the mods are sighing over this thread. LOL Thanks for posting this. I too am impressed with how GHC has handled this. I am sure there is some of that. I also knew there were people who were curious about GHC positon. It is my hope that this stays calm and just acts like a PSA. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookfiend Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 So if you truly hate to resurrect this. (Kerfuffle related) - why post the link? What could the possible outcomes of the conversation be? What are you hoping to acheive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 nm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Lulu* Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I am sure there is some of that. I also knew there were people who were curious about GHC positon. It is my hope that this stays calm and just acts like a PSA. ;) As one of those curious people, thank you for posting the links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Thanks to the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I just have to ask (it's my nature)...how do we know this document is authentic? If you're asking if this is what GHC actually sent out, I'm another one who received it from them. I had also sent them some emails about how much I was looking forward to the convention. If by authentic you mean is it the full story, I think that there is certainly the AiG side of things. But I found it interesting that GHC were willing to document the timeline of events in such detail. I'm sure that AiG will have another litany of blog posts about how persecuted they are. Frankly, I'm tired of the whole thing. I know I won't be buying anything from AiG. Spending more time on the whole kerfluffle just allows a group I don't agree with and don't respect to steal time from my homeschooling my own kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Rain Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Thanks for posting. It made for an interesting read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 As one of those curious people, thank you for posting the links. Thanks to the OP. No problem to your both! ....oh wait, it was extrememly difficult to figure out how to provide the links ;). )but, I learned something new) Frankly, I'm tired of the whole thing. I know I won't be buying anything from AiG. Spending more time on the whole kerfluffle just allows a group I don't agree with and don't respect to steal time from my homeschooling my own kids. Yes, it is my deepest hope that having the other side will provide a fuller pic to those that want it. Then when something similar happens in the future they will have this experience to look back. Other that, please go enjoy your kids (or grandkids)!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Hedgehog Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdalley Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 :iagree: Everyone has pretty much picked sides by this point. Adding fuel to the fire? Well, I found it interesting. Thanks OP for posting it. I had no idea there was more information out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudoMom Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Thanks :001_smile:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted May 26, 2011 Author Share Posted May 26, 2011 :iagree: Everyone has pretty much picked sides by this point. Adding fuel to the fire? It is one thing to question my motives, which I have already answered in the course of this thread. It is quite another to "attribute" motives I do not possess. I personally know of many who HAVE NOT picked sides, they found themselves very bewildered by both parties actions. I hope to add some more pieces to their puzzle. That is all. Information is a good tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMamaBird Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Information is a good tool. :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoPlaceLikeHome Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 It is one thing to question my motives, which I have already answered in the course of this thread. It is quite another to "attribute" motives I do not possess. I personally know of many who HAVE NOT picked sides, they found themselves very bewildered by both parties actions. I hope to add some more pieces to their puzzle. That is all. Information is a good tool. :iagree::iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I recieved this email tonight and I thought it would be of interest. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=1r6xsN0FYkDUu0XbrcqXLRxNUCNpk4bNoAcUJRWW7WEyM4PUHq3A225nJU4MO&hl=en_US&authkey=CMjJxIULI hope that link works. It turns out their was a mediation process going on :glare:. AIG backed out. Those are pretty generic recommendations. Maybe that's because he wasn't paid for them, but still it doesn't really shed any light on the situation. The second link was interesting (they would have been invited back, etc.) Of course, I've often found in life that the person doing the most talking in public is generally in the wrong. :001_smile: I think that was the case here, too. While people were faulting GHC for not stating their side, they were attempting mediation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 So if you truly hate to resurrect this. (Kerfuffle related) - why post the link? What could the possible outcomes of the conversation be? What are you hoping to acheive? Seems to me the whole point is sharing a substantial amount of new information about a topic many here have shown interest in, but of which a great deal has been left to speculation. Sharing is good. :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margo out of lurking Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Seems to me the whole point is sharing a substantial amount of new information about a topic many here have shown interest in, but of which a great deal has been left to speculation. Sharing is good. :001_smile: I agree. This is not the old thread resurrected, it is new information about a previous topic. Very interesting links, and I have a new appreciation as to how the situation was handled behind the scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookfiend Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 So if you truly hate to resurrect this. (Kerfuffle related) - why post the link? What could the possible outcomes of the conversation be? What are you hoping to acheive? I want to be clear. I'm not attributing motives. Simka and I arrived here at the boards at about the same time; although she is clearly a much more active member.:D I often read her comments with enjoyment. This thread surprised me. Having just watched a sweet thread about a Mother's enjoyment and pride in the accomplishment of her average child vs. her gifted one disintegrate within three pages, I was very skeptical that this thread about a divisive issue would remain civil. It seemed disingenouous/naive to express reluctance to discuss something that one is then opening a discussion about. Glad to say that so far the hive has surprised me. :hurray: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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