ZooRho Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 That's when I left too. I was one of the ones providing the free advice, but a new, complete core has never been something within my budget. yeah and then what did they do go in cahoots with Supermom who was getting paid to do much of the same advising yeah. and they pay advisers to help with choosing but really I've talked to a few people who have used those advisers and it is always far different from what the regular users would ever suggest. and most of those people are now like where do I go next, or they don't like SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
readwithem Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 LOL on the tag:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpedIntoTheDeepEndFirst Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I could imagine a prohibition on returning items but banned from purchasing? That just seems crazy. People purchase and then return at all sorts of stores, all the time. And I confess to being curious as to which company too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 It isn't Sonlight and I can see their point but over a 5-6 year period? This was actually 2 phone calls; not letters which was worse to me. I felt like I was slapped. My dh is fumed about it. Yeah, I knew I had returned a lot recently and thought that I would not be able to return this set. Lifetime ban? Harsh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatmansWife Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 It's gotta be Sonlight. It's the only thing I can think of that rhymes with blight (see the tag). How long are you banned for? Like.....forever???? :confused: :ohmy: ETA: Oh....so it's not Sonlight. Hmmm.....now I gotta think of what else rhymes with blight...unless that's a trick tag line. Maybe could ya' just spill the beans and let us know?? Pretty please?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoshannon Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 It isn't Sonlight and I can see their point but over a 5-6 year period? This was actually 2 phone calls; not letters which was worse to me. I felt like I was slapped. My dh is fumed about it. Yeah, I knew I had returned a lot recently and thought that I would not be able to return this set. Lifetime ban? Harsh! Can you say who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantlion Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Can you say who? I think some of us would like to know, to know whether we deal with them as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlylocks Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) My $$ is on Lampstand Press/TOG... :tongue_smilie: ETA: Sorry I jumped to this conclusion. Based on my past experience with them, I was almost sure it was them. (and yes, Scott Somerville is a lawyer) They "shut down" all virtual co-ops NOT run through Lampstand Learning Center as of Fall 2011. They used the "protection of their intellectual property" argument. Edited February 27, 2012 by curlylocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorrainejmc Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 there's a new tag...:tongue_smilie: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorrainejmc Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 My $$ is on Lampstand Press/TOG... :tongue_smilie: Yikes, don't say that. I'm going with TOG this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaik76 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I think some of us would like to know, to know whether we deal with them as well. I would personally guess WP rather than SL...WP is VERY proprietary about their user's guides, and illegally tries to tell people they can not resell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emzhengjiu Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 It's almost funny. My first thought was also Sonlight. I quit buying from them when they started charging some of us for access to their boards. I'm a single mom with a very tight budget. I couldn't buy a complete program, but I did buy quite a bit from them over the years. It was a slap in the face, particularly how John handled the situation. I don't understand banning purchases when the company could stop accepting returns from the OP or initiating a restocking fee for some or all returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpe Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Maybe I'm dense, but here's what I'm getting: You bought and returned a number of programs because they did not fit well with your kids. But you have kept some and you like what you've kept. The company phoned you and told you that you cannot buy any more of their products because they think your returns are suspicious. That sounds crazy. What kind of business practice is that?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Hedgehog Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 NOT Sonlight??? I'm shocked. TOG/Lampstand has their own lawyers ... cause the author's husband IS a lawyer (used to work for HSLDA, if I remember correctly). :bigear: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renthead Mommy Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Well if they banned you, you owe them nothing and should feel free to say who it is. Plus if they treat their customers that way the deserve any bad publicity they receive. And you do owe it to your friends the info to help them protect themselves. Okay that last one may be stetching it and i may just be overly curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwg Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 They put it out there- had to know it would effect them negatively and were willing to risk it. :glare: Customer service, people! I am sorry :grouphug: I would be.....I am not sure. But really it is their stupidity. I wanna know too!!!!:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatmansWife Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 there's a new tag...:tongue_smilie: Dylan Thomas.......Dylan Thomas. Winter Promise. Bingo! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommy22alyns Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 My first thought was with the new tag, not SL because I've heard about how they are with IGs. Still :bigear:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebug42 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I don't know where the copy of their catalog is right now, but I am pretty sure the Winter Promise catalog states that you can only take advantage of their return policy (4 week trial with free return) three times and then you can't return anymore of the themed programs. I don't know if they enforce that on individual items or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jujsky Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Well if they banned you, you owe them nothing and should feel free to say who it is. Plus if they treat their customers that way the deserve any bad publicity they receive. And you do owe it to your friends the info to help them protect themselves. Okay that last one may be stetching it and i may just be overly curious. I agree with the above. We're branching out with our curriculum next year and I'm not doing a totally boxed approach for once in my life. I'd appreciate knowing in case any of the curriculum I plan to buy is from this company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I just want to tell you that I am so sorry. I have bought a few stinkers in my day..not from Dylan...but other publishers..and never returned. But, I really wish I had and sort of kick myself every now and then. To ban someone is really, really weird. I mean, you can just get a friend to order it (and return it) for you, right? Totally stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatmansWife Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I just want to tell you that I am so sorry. I have bought a few stinkers in my day..not from Dylan...but other publishers..and never returned. But, I really wish I had and sort of kick myself every now and then. To ban someone is really, really weird. I mean, you can just get a friend to order it (and return it) for you, right? Totally stupid. :lol: And....also :iagree:with what you are saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jina Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 It doesn't make sense anyway...why ban you from BUYING? If they were going to "ban" something...why not just ban you from returning? That seems to make more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Fairy Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'm glad the OP cleared their name, but it's too funny that we all went right to Sonlight as the culprit. :lol: The only thing I've heard about WP is that the wait time for orders is on the extreme end of long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorrainejmc Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'm glad the OP cleared their name, but it's too funny that we all went right to Sonlight as the culprit. :lol: The only thing I've heard about WP is that the wait time for orders is on the extreme end of long. I actually had another one in mind all along that no-one has hinted at yet.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatmansWife Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 It doesn't make sense anyway...why ban you from BUYING? If they were going to "ban" something...why not just ban you from returning? That seems to make more sense. And the truth shall set you free!!! OK, sorry....I'm in a weird mood right now. The anxiety of not really knowing who this is is starting to get to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorrainejmc Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 And the truth shall set you free!!! OK, sorry....I'm in a weird mood right now. The anxiety of not really knowing who this is is starting to get to me. Me too, and it's 11pm here. I need to know or I won't sleep tonight.:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairProspects Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I actually had another one in mind all along that no-one has hinted at yet.:D Me too, based on previous conversations w/OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommy22alyns Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I actually had another one in mind all along that no-one has hinted at yet.:D Awwww, C'MON!! :tongue_smilie: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatmansWife Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) I'm glad the OP cleared their name, but it's too funny that we all went right to Sonlight as the culprit. :lol: The only thing I've heard about WP is that the wait time for orders is on the extreme end of long. Could it be that we all thought Sonlight because the tag said "rhymes with blight" and then they cleverly changed it to "dylan thomas". Now look at the tag. Somebody.....who shall remain nameless at this moment (and no, it's not me)......is having a lot of fun messing with our minds!! :lol: ETA: I wish I could insert a little smiley wringing his hands and saying "Bwahhahahaha!" I think it would be appropriate....but I can't find one. Edited February 27, 2012 by ~AprilMay~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorrainejmc Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 More tags!! Anyone decode them yet. I'm a bit slow tonight.:001_huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LG Gone Wild Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 The tags are cracking me up. I have no idea which companies people are hinting at but I am enjoying them just the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Fairy Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Could it be that we all thought Sonlight because the tag said "rhymes with blight" and then they cleverly changed it to "dylan thomas". Now look at the tag. Somebody.....who shall remain nameless at this moment (and no, it's not me)......is having a lot of fun messing with out minds!! :lol: Not you, eh? Then how do you know, hmmmm? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlylocks Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Yikes, don't say that. I'm going with TOG this year. I went back and edited my post...I added the reason that I jumped to that conclusion. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Fairy Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I actually had another one in mind all along that no-one has hinted at yet.:D Me too, based on previous conversations w/OP. Perhaps a new rhymes with tag is in order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudoMom Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Could it be that we all thought Sonlight because the tag said "rhymes with blight" and then they cleverly changed it to "dylan thomas". Now look at the tag. Somebody.....who shall remain nameless at this moment (and no, it's not me)......is having a lot of fun messing with our minds!! :lol: ETA: I wish I could insert a little smiley wringing his hands and saying "Bwahhahahaha!" I think it would be appropriate....but I can't find one. I think it's because while many people like Sonlight's curriculum, they kind of have a reputation of being...a pain (making people pay for the forums, for example). My 3 thoughts were Sonlight, Oak Meadow, or Winter Promise. The suspense is killing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Hedgehog Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'm glad the OP cleared their name, but it's too funny that we all went right to Sonlight as the culprit. :lol: . Just goes to show their reputation outside of their own forums :glare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatmansWife Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Not you, eh? Then how do you know, hmmmm? :lol: Well, to be honest.....I'm not smart enough to know how to add a tag (hmmm....I'm thinking you might click on Tag???). Let's just say I've been in some secret conversation with the perpetrator. I'll leave it at that. :D Edited February 27, 2012 by ~AprilMay~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Has anyone else been banned by a particular company from ever buying their materials because, over time (5 years), you bought and returned too many items? I can see their point, I suppose. It was the insinuation that I was 'stealing their intellectual property' that got me. Apparently, their lawyers say I am a risk?! Of what I would like to know...indecision? hard to fit kids?:confused: Now I would not even want to use anything from them again anyway. I am so embarrassed and feel like crying. It was so hard to figure out what level I needed and when so I kept buying the different guides to see them in hand. I am sadden because I really like their books and approach. Now I have to start over. :rant::rant::rant: Talk about presumed guilty until proven innocent! What does my wife have to do to prove that she's not just taking their intellectual property and recycling it in any way?? I'm quite aware of the times that we've ordered materials while my wife has deliberated over what curriculum to use, and at what level. It does kinda drive me barmy - we've had discussions about all sorts of purchasing decisions including home school purchases where she's included me and I say - "sure it sounds good" - and then we find that something just isn't a good fit for our family. Unfortunately, it's not like buying a car where you get to test drive before committing, or like buying a house where you can walk through and see what fits. It's not quite like going through a store where you can leaf through the pages and compare products - it's just so difficult to find the right fit for each child. My wife won't name names, but I will - Oak Meadow decided to implement some "new system" (apparently just for my wife...) having lamented in recent calls that we've purchased and returned a lot (nothing's been written in or used OR RECYCLED in any way), someone evidently decided that she needed to be flagged in some way in order to prevent loss of intellectual property. We like their materials, and I had high hopes of settling with them long term with the little ones... but someone's decided that Training5's should be banished! :angry::mad: ... ... :chillpill: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swellmomma Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I also want to know just because I like to avoid crazy businesses. :tongue_smilie: :iagree: It could cause problems if you post their actual name all over teh page so could you pm me with the name. I don't want to deal with a company like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZooRho Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 I'm glad the OP cleared their name, but it's too funny that we all went right to Sonlight as the culprit. :lol: g. yep I do use Sonlight it was great for my oldest. but the direction they are going now is not looking good. pretty sad reputation for them isn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbridgeacademy Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 The reasons you stated for buying and returning items... needing it in hand, not a good fit, wrong level, are the reasons I don't buy to begin with. If more publishers were willing to make large samples available then we/they wouldn't have this problem. As for feeling bad, you shouldn't. It's their loss. Obviously their products aren't worth your time and $$. Chalk it up to a learning experience that even the HSing community (publishers) can be cut throat and rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlylocks Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 :rant::rant::rant:Talk about presumed guilty until proven innocent! What does my wife have to do to prove that she's not just taking their intellectual property and recycling it in any way?? I'm quite aware of the times that we've ordered materials while my wife has deliberated over what curriculum to use, and at what level. It does kinda drive me barmy - we've had discussions about all sorts of purchasing decisions including home school purchases where she's included me and I say - "sure it sounds good" - and then we find that something just isn't a good fit for our family. Unfortunately, it's not like buying a car where you get to test drive before committing, or like buying a house where you can walk through and see what fits. It's not quite like going through a store where you can leaf through the pages and compare products - it's just so difficult to find the right fit for each child. My wife won't name names, but I will - Oak Meadow decided to implement some "new system" (apparently just for my wife...) having lamented in recent calls that we've purchased and returned a lot (nothing's been written in or used OR RECYCLED in any way), someone evidently decided that she needed to be flagged in some way in order to prevent loss of intellectual property. We like their materials, and I had high hopes of settling with them long term with the little ones... but someone's decided that Training5's should be banished! :angry::mad: ... ... :chillpill: YIKES!! :glare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Fairy Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Oh, that's too bad. :( And it's one of those publishers that you can't buy from on Amazon or RR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorrainejmc Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Not who I was thinking but not surprised at needing to buy then return, given the vagueness of their samples and catalog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZooRho Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Just goes to show their reputation outside of their own forums :glare: HA there are times that is the reputation in their forums. Have you seen some stuff about the no book descriptions in the catalog? I think some of those are on the public forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BatmansWife Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 :rant::rant::rant:Talk about presumed guilty until proven innocent! What does my wife have to do to prove that she's not just taking their intellectual property and recycling it in any way?? I'm quite aware of the times that we've ordered materials while my wife has deliberated over what curriculum to use, and at what level. It does kinda drive me barmy - we've had discussions about all sorts of purchasing decisions including home school purchases where she's included me and I say - "sure it sounds good" - and then we find that something just isn't a good fit for our family. Unfortunately, it's not like buying a car where you get to test drive before committing, or like buying a house where you can walk through and see what fits. It's not quite like going through a store where you can leaf through the pages and compare products - it's just so difficult to find the right fit for each child. My wife won't name names, but I will - Oak Meadow decided to implement some "new system" (apparently just for my wife...) having lamented in recent calls that we've purchased and returned a lot (nothing's been written in or used OR RECYCLED in any way), someone evidently decided that she needed to be flagged in some way in order to prevent loss of intellectual property. We like their materials, and I had high hopes of settling with them long term with the little ones... but someone's decided that Training5's should be banished! :angry::mad: ... ... :chillpill: That really stinks. I'm sorry that happened to ya'll. I would be really steamed too. It's not right. :cursing: Thank you for telling who it is. I won't do business with them. Sorry if we were being too comical about the tags and trying to guess. It's just one of those weird nights. But, we do all understand how upsetting this must be to you and your wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paisley Hedgehog Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 HA there are times that is the reputation in their forums. :lol::lol: Well, they won't let me in there, will they??? :lol::lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer3141 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Not who I was thinking but not surprised at needing to buy then return, given the vagueness of their samples and catalog. :iagree::iagree: And that vagueness is why I've never used them or taken them seriously while shopping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommyfaithe Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Yikes. That seems a little crazy. Do you have a local homeschool list? Maybe somebody has materials for you to take a look at? I agree completely!! That is nuts. If I wanted something of theirs, I would just buy used....and sell it if in didn't want it. Come to think of it, I do that a lot:001_huh: Faithe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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