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Please post your best resources for STEM advanced children. This would be for my particle physics obsessed, algebra word problem lovin', computer programming crazed 10 yo and for his "I have no clue" mother. Books, web sites, summer camps, anything and everything.

 

Thank you. :001_smile:

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Isaac Asimov. ... at what level can he read physics?

 

Have you done the actual Snap Circuits teaching guide -- this is not simply the project manual, but explains and defines and has projects for current, voltage, resistors, &c?

 

GEMS for anything that catches his eye.

 

GEMS and TOPS math units (that he isn't past).

 

... where is he, math-wise?

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DS's best resource is ME!! :D

 

Lucky him :thumbup1:

 

Truly, I feel so bad for my son. My husband is an amazing artist and musician, I'm, well, I like to read the great books and theology :lol: My son has no one to talk to about his theories on dimensions, particles, waves, string theory, etc. Doesn't stop him from talking about it though.

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My kids do computer programming with this: http://www.alice.org/

 

They drag this out 2-3 times a week: http://www.amazon.com/Thames-Kosmos-625412-Physics-Workshop/dp/B0002HABZU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342091405&sr=8-1&keywords=physics+workshop

 

We've been doing the hands-on algebra from www.educationunboxed.com , but my oldest daughter doesn't really need (or want) to use manipulatives anymore. She wants to try Art of Problem Solving Pre-Algebra. That's next, I guess.

 

Probably not what most people are looking for, but my kids REALLY like the Apologia Science textbooks. They've read Zoology 1, Zoology 2, Zoology 3 and Botany (which was their favorite). I'm going to buy the Anatomy and Physiology book for them this year. They also like the textbooks from Real Science for Kids. We're almost finished with the middle school level Physics book.

 

We also had an afternoon where I let them take apart an old CB radio. They learned how to use computer repair tools (I bought a special kit) and we did a search for circuit components...figured out what each one did, etc.

 

Also, dissections were a big hit. My kids watched YouTube videos of college professors walking students through a dissection lab and then my kids did the dissection on their own - identifying the parts, etc. We bought our dissections here: http://www.hometrainingtools.com/search.asp?ss=dissections&as_fid=4Qw7HufTrq66q33kB2UL&x=0&y=0 The cow eyeball was a huge hit. Also, the owl pellets were a huge hit, too - disgustingly enough. :tongue_smilie:

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Isaac Asimov. ... at what level can he read physics?

Truthfully I really don't know. We watched Elegant Universe last night and he understood everything, even argued with Brian Greene a few times.

 

Have you done the actual Snap Circuits teaching guide -- this is not simply the project manual, but explains and defines and has projects for current, voltage, resistors, &c?

No, but we do have a very large kit. I'll look into that thanks.

 

GEMS for anything that catches his eye.

 

GEMS and TOPS math units (that he isn't past).

I'll have to check these out. Thanks,

 

... where is he, math-wise?

 

He just finished 6 grade math with Horizons, Singapore 5B, and LOF Pre-algebra biology. I've been holding him back by giving him more math. He's working through LOF Economics this summer for fun. I was going to have him do AOPs pre-algebra in 5th grade (haven't purchased it yet) and he never wants to stop Fred. He gets all the math he has ever attempted and could probably be farther along if I didn't have him complete 3 math curricula a year, well next year two, AOPS and LOF Algebra.

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Please post your best resources for STEM advanced children. This would be for my particle physics obsessed, algebra word problem lovin', computer programming crazed 10 yo and for his "I have no clue" mother. Books, web sites, summer camps, anything and everything.

 

Thank you. :001_smile:

 

Boy, Karen, I think you have my 16 yos's twin. ;) The kid lives and breathes particle physics and astronomy. (I'm so clueless that I had no idea that astronomy is mostly physics.)

 

Your ds is not quite at the pt to get the full benefit of most of the resources ds loves, but here are some that are definitely on target for your ds's age/skill. Ds loved, loved, loved Kinetic Book's Conceptual Physics and its virtual labs. It is alg based, not conceptual like Hewitt's (I think it is unfortunate that they named it that), and engaging. Research physics and astronomy opportunities on cogito.org https://cogito.cty.jhu.edu/competitions/ (they have lists of competitions and all kinds of articles, etc) Ds entered a science competition this yr w/close to 10,000 entries and received an honorable mention. (I didn't understand a thing about his entry!! :tongue_smilie: )

 

Do you live near NY? Kopernik Observatory has programs for younger children. http://www.kopernik.org/ http://www.kopernik.org/summer-programs/summer-science-institute/ Also check into any local astronomy clubs. Sometimes there are special single event days that are worth traveling for. A couple of yrs ago ds got to walk through the particle accelerator tunnel at Jefferson Laboratories. https://www.jlab.org/openhouse/ (check into opportunities in your part of the country.) Also, dig around JL's website. They have lots of info. http://education.jlab.org/indexpages/

 

In a few yrs he'll be eligible for Astronomy Camp (I think they need to be 13 for the beginners program.) http://www.astronomycamp.org/index.html (ds has been to their advanced camp. Fabulous experience!!!)

 

Ds owns every TC physics and astronomy course w/the exception of the 2 newest ones. He has more astronomy/physics apps for his i-touch than I would have thought existed. :tongue_smilie:

 

HTH some

 

(ETA: I just read your other replies. I made the assumption your ds had taken alg. Until he has, high school level physics is pretty much not an option. So the KB suggestion will have to wait a while. Check out the Library of Subatomic Particle series for reading. http://www.amazon.com/Quark-Library-Subatomic-Particles/dp/0823945332 That is just 1 title.)

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My kids do computer programming with this: http://www.alice.org/

I'll have to see if he knows about this one. Thank you.

 

They drag this out 2-3 times a week: http://www.amazon.com/Thames-Kosmos-625412-Physics-Workshop/dp/B0002HABZU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342091405&sr=8-1&keywords=physics+workshop

 

We've been doing the hands-on algebra from www.educationunboxed.com , but my oldest daughter doesn't really need (or want) to use manipulatives anymore. She wants to try Art of Problem Solving Pre-Algebra. That's next, I guess.

I will look into these. Thanks.

 

Probably not what most people are looking for, but my kids REALLY like the Apologia Science textbooks. They've read Zoology 1, Zoology 2, Zoology 3 and Botany (which was their favorite). I'm going to buy the Anatomy and Physiology book for them this year. They also like the textbooks from Real Science for Kids. We're almost finished with the middle school level Physics book.

I was thinking of doing Apologia Physical science with him (because I have it), probably starting it during the 2nd semester. He's keen on doing Ellen McHenry's neurology during the 1st semester. And he has 3 science class at co-op during the first semester, one which helps him prepare for the science fair this winter so that's a big help.

 

We also had an afternoon where I let them take apart an old CB radio. They learned how to use computer repair tools (I bought a special kit) and we did a search for circuit components...figured out what each one did, etc.

My son gloms everything electronic that is deemed broken. We have screws everywhere. :lol:

 

Also, dissections were a big hit. My kids watched YouTube videos of college professors walking students through a dissection lab and then my kids did the dissection on their own - identifying the parts, etc. We bought our dissections here: http://www.hometrainingtools.com/search.asp?ss=dissections&as_fid=4Qw7HufTrq66q33kB2UL&x=0&y=0 The cow eyeball was a huge hit. Also, the owl pellets were a huge hit, too - disgustingly enough. :tongue_smilie:

 

Dissections are a big reason he wants to do the Neurology class mentioned above.

 

Thanks for all the great ideas!

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Lucky him :thumbup1:

 

Truly, I feel so bad for my son. My husband is an amazing artist and musician, I'm, well, I like to read the great books and theology :lol: My son has no one to talk to about his theories on dimensions, particles, waves, string theory, etc. Doesn't stop him from talking about it though.

 

This post made me smile. :D

 

My ds and I walk 3 miles together almost every day. The entire time he is discussing theories about dark matter, black holes, warps in space, string theory and I don't understand a single word!! :tongue_smilie:

 

He is finally taking uni physics this yr. I hope he finds others that can relate to his passion (though I have a feeling that he is going to be conceptually light yrs (sorry, couldn't help myself :tongue_smilie:) beyond most of the other students. (He does not have any experience w/cal-based physics problems, though. So that will be new territory.)

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Lucky him :thumbup1:

 

Truly, I feel so bad for my son. My husband is an amazing artist and musician, I'm, well, I like to read the great books and theology :lol: My son has no one to talk to about his theories on dimensions, particles, waves, string theory, etc. Doesn't stop him from talking about it though.

 

For those topic. we like Nova. They have tons of shows regarding that. I remember even in graduate school, our professor made us watch that in class. It is a great show

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/

 

I also recently finished this awesome book, I think your son might like it

 

http://www.amazon.com/The-Hidden-Reality-Parallel-Universes/dp/0307278123/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342094893&sr=8-1&keywords=brian+greene

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Great to see you on this thread. Thanks for all the resources below!

 

Boy, Karen, I think you have my 16 yos's twin. ;) The kid lives and breathes particle physics and astronomy. (I'm so clueless that I had no idea that astronomy is mostly physics.)

 

Your ds is not quite at the pt to get the full benefit of most of the resources ds loves, but here are some that are definitely on target for your ds's age/skill. Ds loved, loved, loved Kinetic Book's Conceptual Physics and its virtual labs. It is alg based, not conceptual like Hewitt's (I think it is unfortunate that they named it that), and engaging. Research physics and astronomy opportunities on cogito.org https://cogito.cty.jhu.edu/competitions/ (they have lists of competitions and all kinds of articles, etc) Ds entered a science competition this yr w/close to 10,000 entries and received an honorable mention. (I didn't understand a thing about his entry!! :tongue_smilie: )

 

Do you live near NY? Kopernik Observatory has programs for younger children. http://www.kopernik.org/ http://www.kopernik.org/summer-programs/summer-science-institute/ Also check into any local astronomy clubs. Sometimes there are special single event days that are worth traveling for. A couple of yrs ago ds got to walk through the particle accelerator tunnel at Jefferson Laboratories. https://www.jlab.org/openhouse/ (check into opportunities in your part of the country.) Also, dig around JL's website. They have lots of info. http://education.jlab.org/indexpages/

 

In a few yrs he'll be eligible for Astronomy Camp (I think they need to be 13 for the beginners program.) http://www.astronomycamp.org/index.html (ds has been to their advanced camp. Fabulous experience!!!)

 

Ds owns every TC physics and astronomy course w/the exception of the 2 newest ones. He has more astronomy/physics apps for his i-touch than I would have thought existed. :tongue_smilie:

 

HTH some

 

(ETA: I just read your other replies. I made the assumption your ds had taken alg. Until he has, high school level physics is pretty much not an option. So the KB suggestion will have to wait a while. Check out the Library of Subatomic Particle series for reading. http://www.amazon.com/Quark-Library-Subatomic-Particles/dp/0823945332 That is just 1 title.)

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If he is going to accelerate in math, I highly recommend the book Math Coach. The late author was a cognitive psychologist at MIT and the dad of several kids he coached through math and math teams. It will give you permission (contrary to what you will repeatedly hear both on this board and in real life) to just go ahead and let your kid do algebra in third grade. It is very practical and full of details of exactly what he did with his kids, all of whom entered math and scientific fields (I know one of his relatives who insists that all of his kids are brilliant).

 

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Yes, I definitely need to read this book. I never intended to use all those different math programs he simply kept plowing through math faster and faster so I kept throwing more his way. I am nervous about going too far, too fast. Maybe this book will help with that. He just turned 10 two weeks ago so he was on the young side of 4th grade last year. But, yeah, I need to let go of the reins a little.

 

If he is going to accelerate in math, I highly recommend the book Math Coach. The late author was a cognitive psychologist at MIT and the dad of several kids he coached through math and math teams. It will give you permission (contrary to what you will repeatedly hear both on this board and in real life) to just go ahead and let your kid do algebra in third grade. It is very practical and full of details of exactly what he did with his kids, all of whom entered math and scientific fields (I know one of his relatives who insists that all of his kids are brilliant).

 

Terri

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I have a 7 yr old who is currently math, logic and programming obsessed, and who's current dream is to create and run a reptile-themed amusement park centered around a volcano in Hawaii (like sea world) so she can have and train and breed all the snakes, lizards, frogs, and alligators she wants (and use cloning and rDNA to breed a dragon to live in the volcano) AND design roller coasters. She also decided, last year, that she was bored with arithmetic and was GOING to do algebra-and proved, in multiple ways, that she was ready for it.

 

So I feel your pain. I'm very fortunate in that we have a lot of resources in the family accessible either at home (DH is a software engineer with degrees in both math and CS and did a lot of competition math, my father is a high temperature chemist, SIL and BIL are both Civil Engineers, etc). Unfortunately, I'm NOT intuitively mathy-I developed a major case of math anxiety in response to timed tests in elementary school, and it wasn't until I was working on a masters in ELED that I realized it wasn't math I hated, but the way it had been taught. I ended up getting my masters focused on math remediation, but DD doesn't need math remediation and the techniques I learned tutoring and leading remediation pull-out classes don't exactly apply!

 

DD loves Scratch and Alice programming, loves Snap Circuits, and just plain loves playing with math. I have calculus for young people on order (I think....I need to call rainbow resource and find out if my order is actually coming or whether it got lost. The Amazon order I placed the same day is already here). We have enough lego sets to construct whole worlds (and I mean that literally-we have the Hogwarts grounds, Mordor and Moria, four assorted dragons, a bunch of themes from Greek Mythology, and DD's mock-up in lego form of the herpetarium part of her Amusement park all built right now, plus probably at least 25K legos sorted into bins for building and scattered across the floor of what, in most houses would be a dining room. K-Nex have been great for building amusement park models and roller coasters.

 

I have Computer Science Unplugged downloaded and printed for her, and I think she'll really enjoy it. Plus the next three LoF Books, multiple Algebra books, and Algeblocks (which, so far, I've played with more than she has). I was fortunate enough to win a Prufrock Press giveaway, and the lady from PP picked a bunch of logic and reasoning books for DD, based on the description that I'd originally thought we'd be saving for another year. Turns out she knew what a PG 7 yr old with a high interest in math needed more than I did-because the level she picked has been just right for DD to really take off.

 

The funny thing was that, a year ago, I would have said that she was more "languag-y" and less "mathy". Now she's very definitely "math-y". I think it was simply that the math had to get complex enough and fun enough to draw her in.

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I have a 7 yr old who is currently math, logic and programming obsessed, and who's current dream is to create and run a reptile-themed amusement park centered around a volcano in Hawaii (like sea world) so she can have and train and breed all the snakes, lizards, frogs, and alligators she wants (and use cloning and rDNA to breed a dragon to live in the volcano) AND design roller coasters.

An Imagineer in the making :001_smile: I thought my oldest would go that route, at one time he wanted to and we became friendly online with a Disney Imagineer through a Disney forum I used to visit, but he decided to go for the big bucks and become a history major. :rolleyes: That's him up there enjoying Rome.

 

 

The funny thing was that, a year ago, I would have said that she was more "languag-y" and less "mathy". Now she's very definitely "math-y". I think it was simply that the math had to get complex enough and fun enough to draw her in.

 

I get this, pretty much the same thing here. Ds taught himself to read and still loves reading books beyond his years (recently finished a modern language version of Pilgrim's Progress). Thanks for the Calculus for Young People suggestion.

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I just remembered the name of this series. My daughter worked through the first book or two before she took calculus for real (she just made a 5 on the Calculus AB exam, which she did not plan to take and did not really prepare for other than doing ChalkDust Calc, as an 8th grader). She does not love the subject matter particularly, but I do think this series helped calculus make sense. Which is more than I ever got out of college calculus!

 

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Please post your best resources for STEM advanced children. This would be for my particle physics obsessed, algebra word problem lovin', computer programming crazed 10 yo and for his "I have no clue" mother. Books, web sites, summer camps, anything and everything.

 

Thank you. :001_smile:

 

 

Did you know that LOF has a physics book coming out later this summer?

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Please post your best resources for STEM advanced children. This would be for my particle physics obsessed, algebra word problem lovin', computer programming crazed 10 yo and for his "I have no clue" mother. Books, web sites, summer camps, anything and everything.

 

Thank you. :001_smile:

 

Physics:

Ana's Asimov suggestion is spot on but my DS isn't interested in Asimov for some reason (so sad!)

Epstein's Thinking Physics

Books by Richard Muller,(Instant Physicist), John Gribbin, George Gamow (Mr Tompkins etc), Robert Gilmore (Alice in Quantumland, Wizard of Quarks etc)

Great Courses physics titles (if he's into lectures) -- Impossible by Schumacher was particularly good

 

For Algebra word problems, I might just look into buying him the AOPS Intro to Algebra book. Maybe a no pressure, read it when you want to and watch some videos on AOPS/ Khan/ YouTube approach could help.

 

AOPS has a Python programming course too.

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Do those of you with these types of kids think that Hands on Equations is a good intro to algebra? Is it pretty spatial? Or should I look at something else? Ds already gets a lot of algebraic concepts but doesn't have the vocabulary or the practice needed (if that makes sense).

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Do those of you with these types of kids think that Hands on Equations is a good intro to algebra? Is it pretty spatial? Or should I look at something else? Ds already gets a lot of algebraic concepts but doesn't have the vocabulary or the practice needed (if that makes sense).

 

HoE was a complete flop here. An exception rather than a norm. I have yet to hear anyone else call HoE a flop for them. :)

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My DD enjoyed HoE when she was working on about 3rd grade math. I think it was HoE and being able to apply the concepts algebraically that gave her reason to WANT to get beyond arithmetic and opened up that math was more than just finding the correct answer-that it was a whole world and language in and of itself.

 

I suspect that had I gotten it for use with an algebra curriculum, after finishing math through 6th grade, it would have fallen flat. It needed to be a mystery for her to solve on her own.

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thanks for all the great resources.

 

Physics:

Ana's Asimov suggestion is spot on but my DS isn't interested in Asimov for some reason (so sad!)

Epstein's Thinking Physics

Books by Richard Muller,(Instant Physicist), John Gribbin, George Gamow (Mr Tompkins etc), Robert Gilmore (Alice in Quantumland, Wizard of Quarks etc)

Great Courses physics titles (if he's into lectures) -- Impossible by Schumacher was particularly good

 

For Algebra word problems, I might just look into buying him the AOPS Intro to Algebra book. Maybe a no pressure, read it when you want to and watch some videos on AOPS/ Khan/ YouTube approach could help.

 

AOPS has a Python programming course too.

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Hmmm, well I'm not even sure if I should post under this thread (even the title of it scares me:001_smile:), but my younger dd is really warming up to these topics. In math, she's no where near what many children here are doing. But, she is strong in math and I think I need to let her go and see what happens. I feel like I'm building her base and then she can go from there. She's been reading the Time Quintet series (L'Engle) and this is is what sparked an interest in time and space. She had already been interested in astronomy and we watched many (8) dvds on the planets.

 

She found this book at the library and has been diligently reading it (even though I'm sure some aspects of it are going over her head)

 

http://www.amazon.com/Einsteins-Cosmos-Transformed-Understanding-Discoveries/dp/0393327000/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1342137377&sr=1-1&keywords=einstein%27s+cosmos

 

and has some spending money from a gift card and is considering this book by the same author:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Parallel-Worlds-Journey-Creation-Dimensions/dp/1400033721/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_c

 

The author, Michio Kaku, is her new hero. We caught one show on tv about time, space, wormholes, etc with Kaku speaking in it.

 

I'm honestly not sure, sometimes, what to do for her. I'm :bigear: to all of these suggestions.

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DH has been an amazing resource.

Not only is he able to talk to DS about most branches of science (except biology and botany, those are my thing :D), but DH kept his science/engineering/electronics books from college. I have complained for 25 years that DH needed to get rid of them... Now our ten-year-old is loving them.

We have also been incredibly blessed by DH's co-workers. They have bought DS unusual electronic pieces he needed for projects, gave him old books, old electronics kits and - most importantly - talked to DS about his passions.

 

Two things I don't recall seeing mentioned already that have been worthwhile at our home:

chess camp at a local college (where DS is around like-minded kids)

memberships to science and nature museums

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Maybe our boys could be penpals! My 11yo has loved theoretical physics for years. He's very much a big idea thinker and loves to talk about his thoughts, sadly we can't go nearly as deep as he would like on these topics. He enjoyed Michio Kaku's books and we have some great courses that he enjoyed, but he really wants to discuss these things. He has done math and science with his high school age siblings and really thinks much deeper than most high school texts go. He did love Ellen McHenry's Neurology and Carbon Chemistry. Chemistry is also a big interest now. He does a lot of research online, but I would love for him to be able to talk to someone as interested as he is. We have some opportunities opening up, but it has been quite a challenge to meet his needs in this area.

 

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Thank you, Terri, for the Math Coach book idea!!!! it is now On The Way to our house ... and Quark, for the physics Teaching Co. lecture recs (and I think HoE would bust here, too, so haven't ordered it ...). I will add that I personally have loved their History of Science course.

 

OP, have you looked at the Epsilon ( ages 8-11) and MathPath (older than Epsilon) camps? Also for an informal fun camp he might the Lego Playwell camps, if there is one nearby, sometimes they have a nice robotics or other class going; but Lego classes are not ubiquitous ... This cool, incredibly expensive-looking iD Tech Camp popped up as I was following rabbit trails after a Google search for "MIT Summer Camp"; here's the lead to that page, with assorted fascinating links ...

 

okay, back to trawling this thread for Marvelous Ideas. So much more fun than hammering out my summer finances!!!!!!

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the physics Teaching Co. lecture

 

My recommendation for TC physics and astronomy lectures would be for students that have already studied alg-based physics and are ready to sit through and enjoy college lectures.

 

If I were going to spend $ on videos for younger kids, my recommendations would be for documentaries like Through the Wormhole, Cosmic Collisions, How the Universe Works, Nova productions, etc vs. college lectures. Far more engaging for the younger crowd.

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:lurk5:

 

Great questions and responses. I'm :bigear:.

 

We watched the Brian Green episode on the Multiverse last night. It was fabulous. My younger dds were sucked in from the first moment. Highly recommend.

 

George's Secret Key To The Universe (Lucy/Stephen Hawking) is keeping dd9 quite entertained this week. Pics & info on the book here.

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Recommended advanced STEM (i.e. M) books, preferably with parent guidance:

 

Euler’s Elements of Algebra (free):

http://archive.org/details/elementsalgebra00lagrgoog

 

Euclid’s Elements:

Green Lion edition (recommended, $20.):

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1888009195/ref=cm_cr_asin_lnk

 

free online versions of Euclid:

http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/java/elements/elements.html

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/euclid/Elements.pdf

 

 

By the way, I have copies of these and am happy to serve as tutor or consultant. Anyone, or anyones kid wanting to read these, can just start a thread here "reading euclid" or "reading euler", and post questions. If i don't notice it, drop me a pm and I will chip in.

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I'm glad this thread is still going. I keep reading through it to get more ideas!!

 

DS has also been reading the Lucy & Stephen Hawking books. He finished "Universe" and is now on the sequel, "George's Cosmic Treasure Hunt." I think *I* want to read these, LOL!!

 

We have the Science channel here and I was watching something last night... started going through upcoming programs and recorded a bunch. I came out this morning and DS was already watching one, on the Big Bang. :) There are some interesting ones coming up in about a week or so on science of the brain... he saw a commercial during the show he was watching, went to record them, and was excited that I'd already set them to record!!

 

I don't think DS is ready for TC courses... not enough attention span. I am, however, going to order that LOF Physics book, and I might just go ahead and order the pre-algebra books while I'm at it, because I think he's going to whip through the MM levels this year.

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