Amira Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Harriet Tubman will replace Andrew Jackson on the $20. Thanks to Lin-Manuel Miranda for saving Hamilton. :) Edited April 20, 2016 by Amira 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam in CT Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 You got the scoop! My Hamilton fangirl will be sooooo elated. She and two equally manic fangirl friends are skipping school on Friday to go to New York and get his book signed. Delighted re Tubman over Jackson as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Hurray! Jackson was such an ass. My kids will be thrilled! 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 It sounds like a new $20 will likely be a long time coming, but the back of the $10 will have women added sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I never wanted Hamilton off the 10$, not that anyone gives a rat's patooty what I think, lol. It just seemed to me that as the first Secretary of the Treasury, he belonged there. But, I have never understood why Jackson deserved a place of honour. He didn't even like banks, so why put him on the money to begin with? But, Harriet Tubman? She deserves all the honours. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithr Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 This made me happy too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I'm happy about this but sad about the comments I'm seeing online. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I'm soooooooo glad Jackson is gone. Replacing that slave holding, genocide authorizing, bank hating jerk with a black woman makes me giddy with joy. I thought The Onion's man on the street quote about this was hilarious: I'll be honest: When Lin-Manuel Miranda told me he had a plan to get Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill, I thought he was nuts. http://www.theonion.com/americanvoices/treasury-keep-hamilton-remove-jackson-currency-52775 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Looks like Andrew Jackson might not be gone until the 20s scheduled redesign in 2030. Unless somebody gets busy. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne in CA Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Hurray! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I saw that it would take longer than taking Hamilton off the $10. But I'm basically okay with that. Do it when it's up for renewal anyway and save some money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateReignRemix Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Looks like Andrew Jackson might not be gone until the 20s scheduled redesign in 2030. Unless somebody gets busy. Bill It will be 2030. They are so cautious about protectng against counterfeiting that it is doubtful it is much sooner. This also means there is a chance another Sec of the Treasury could reverse this decision, although my guess is that is unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El... Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Yay! I wish they could hurry it up; I'd like to get the new $20 before my daughter grows up. I'm delighted that she'll be on the $20; it is such a ubiquitous bill. I'm happy about this but sad about the comments I'm seeing online. Yeah, don't read those unless you are braced for it. Some people are grossly ignorant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I am also liking the alliterative "Tubman on the twenty". I am easily amused. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I'm soooooooo glad Jackson is gone. Replacing that slave holding, genocide authorizing, bank hating jerk with a black woman makes me giddy with joy. I thought The Onion's man on the street quote about this was hilarious: http://www.theonion.com/americanvoices/treasury-keep-hamilton-remove-jackson-currency-52775 Isn't the Onion fake news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trulycrabby Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Yeah! :hurray: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Isn't the Onion fake news? yes, but it was funny fake news 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Isn't the Onion fake news? It's satire which is not exactly the same thing. I am THRILLED by this. Kids should know who Tubman is. And should not have to see Jackson on a place of honor on our currency, either. I haven't seen anything negative online. Who would be opposed to Harriet Tubman? She is not exactly a decisive figure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Looking at comments, I see people saying they don't know who Harriet Tubman is -- but they think Andrew Jackson is someone who should be honored? Where are they getting their history from?! Is this just a matter of not liking change? I didn't really know who Hamilton was. But I knew Andrew Jackson was a disgrace and was always a bit confused why he got on the money vs someone else. The really cool part is that $20 are the most frequently used bill. So Having such a recognizeable figure there is fantastic! Edited April 20, 2016 by vonfirmath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Isn't the Onion fake news? I wasn't trying to fool anyone or anything. I assume everyone knows The Onion is satiric. The quote was just really funny and on point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 You know, I try really hard to associate with people who don't always agree with me, but I suspect this is one of those bubble issues. All my online feeds were filled with glee about this news. Pro-Hamilton glee from the musical fans and pro-Tubman feminist glee and anti-Jackson glee. I haven't seen any actual negative comments. Thus, I'm sure I'm living in a bubble. Sigh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truscifi Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 You know, I try really hard to associate with people who don't always agree with me, but I suspect this is one of those bubble issues. All my online feeds were filled with glee about this news. Pro-Hamilton glee from the musical fans and pro-Tubman feminist glee and anti-Jackson glee. I haven't seen any actual negative comments. Thus, I'm sure I'm living in a bubble. Sigh. I wish I lived in that bubble. :scared: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I wish I lived in that bubble. :scared: It has a high cost of living, unfortunately. Occasional liberal smugness is another downside. :tongue_smilie: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 All I did was click on the comments of a local news link on FB to read them. It was full of racist comments. One local eatery was even saying they wouldn't accept them. No one I actually know has said anything negative, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Trying hard to imagine negative comments. "She helped free slaves: boooo." Or are they saying they want a Conferderate figure if they have a Union Army operative recognized? Or ..... do they just not know who she is? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Well, all the racists have to do is flip the money over to see Jackson's face. He's staying on the back of the bill. Oh FFS, it's going to become a political statement now, making a point of turning the money one side or the other facing up. Just please no. The incomparable Marion Anderson is going on the back of the 5$ opposite Lincoln, which is nice to see. And maybe included on there will be Eleanor Roosevelt and Dr King jr? And on the back of the 10$, opposite Alexander Hamilton, will be a picture of a 1913 march for women's suffrage and there will be 5 women leaders: Susan B Anthony, Sojourner Truth, Lucretia Mott, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and Alice Paul. But this is a real victory for the 'women on the 20" group. They had been advocating for Tubman on the 20$, and they got it! Good job! http://www.womenon20s.org/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauraw4321 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I just saw she's *sharing* it with Jackson? Yuck... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El... Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Trying hard to imagine negative comments. "She helped free slaves: boooo." Or are they saying they want a Conferderate figure if they have a Union Army operative recognized? Or ..... do they just not know who she is? Our local paper posted about this on facebook. There were more than ten comments in the top 90 describing her as ugly. There were half a dozen complaints that this change would add to racial tensions. Several people said that they wouldn't use the new bills. Tacky jerks. I think I must live in a stupid part of the country. Perhaps, if getting the change made takes long enough, people will have grown up some? I'm really happy about the change. (ETA: I believe the jokes about her appearance are seated in deep racism, in case I wasn't clear. Jerks.) Edited April 20, 2016 by elroisees 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truscifi Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) The negative comments I have heard have been about her appearance and along the lines of 'why do we need to change it anyway?' and 'those people are never happy'. Also jerks. Edited April 20, 2016 by Truscifi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 My 9 year old was super excited when I told him. He said, "She's one of my favorites!" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaffeineDiary Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I hope they do this version. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimm Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Our local paper posted about this on facebook. There were more than ten comments in the top 90 describing her as ugly. There were half a dozen complaints that this change would add to racial tensions. Several people said that they wouldn't use the new bills. Tacky jerks. I think I must live in a stupid part of the country. Perhaps, if getting the change made takes long enough, people will have grown up some? I'm really happy about the change. (ETA: I believe the jokes about her appearance are seated in deep racism, in case I wasn't clear. Jerks.) Racism and sexism. Men aren't required to be beautiful to be valuable. Women are. Her looks should be entirely beside the point. Her actions were important and good and brave. This should be enough. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I hope they do this version. That looks like a gun, I don't think it will happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SproutMamaK Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Our local paper posted about this on facebook. There were more than ten comments in the top 90 describing her as ugly. There were half a dozen complaints that this change would add to racial tensions. Several people said that they wouldn't use the new bills. Tacky jerks. I think I must live in a stupid part of the country. Perhaps, if getting the change made takes long enough, people will have grown up some? I'm really happy about the change. (ETA: I believe the jokes about her appearance are seated in deep racism, in case I wasn't clear. Jerks.) I honestly have nothing to add to this, I just couldn't bring myself to "like" it so I'm quoting. That people would not only have those opinions but express them freely, publicly, and without a hint of shame is so disturbing to me. Not surprising, persay, but still troubling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Racism and sexism. Men aren't required to be beautiful to be valuable. Women are. Her looks should be entirely beside the point. Her actions were important and good and brave. This should be enough. Not to mention, here is someone who was terribly abused all throughout her childhood and early life. I also doubt she had access to good nutrition. Of all people to judge by appearance. Just foul. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartlikealion Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) There were a couple posts on my FB about it. One had an image of her where she frankly looks a bit grumpy. This is also the image that popped up on my Kindle. I don't know if that's the image they plan to use. The meme joked that Harriet's facial expression was her saying something like, "you don't need to buy that." I saw another post with her offering one hand and raising the other with a gun. I'm happy about the choice, but not sure about the final image they use. I wasn't super fond of the one that showed up on my Kindle. The negative comment I read said something about dividing people. I was really irritated when they said some negative things about her. Interestingly, the person complaining said that they would have liked to see Dr. King on the bill. Edited: I see the thread shows one of the versions I was talking about. And my comment about the images wasn't based on beauty, just I didn't want her to be remembered with a grumpy look on her face I guess? Edited April 22, 2016 by heartlikealion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 The picture I'm mostly seeing of Tubman is not my favorite -- no. But I love the idea of having her there and I don't think there is anyway the picture of her with a gun will be made. And honestly, who looks at the picture on their bill that much anyway? OTher than when you are in school and learning who is on there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Florida. Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I didn't really know who Hamilton was. But I knew Andrew Jackson was a disgrace and was always a bit confused why he got on the money vs someone else. The really cool part is that $20 are the most frequently used bill. So Having such a recognizeable figure there is fantastic! Hamilton was instrumental in the founding of my hometown in NJ, so I knew from the time I entered school who he was (and we were taught to have anger towards Burr). I didn't pay much attention to Jackson other than that he was a president until we moved to Florida. Quite a few schools are named after him. My brother went to a middle school named for him. I was in high school when we came to my current city so I got to skip it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Remember, people usually had stern looks in early photographs because getting your picture taken was a solemn event. You wanted to look dignified for posterity. It also took longer. You had to sit very still or the picture would blur and the whole thing would be wasted. Sometimes they even used little things on the backs of people's heads to hold them still. How would you like to hold a 'happy face' smile for 45 or 6o seconds? You would feel foolish. So, if she looks "grumpy", first of all, women aren't ornamental. They do not exist to brighten up the landscape. I know, no one here is saying that, but I really, really hate the whole thing of people telling women and girls to 'smile', like they are a bouquet of flowers, decoration only. Second of all, what some see as grumpy she might see as dignified as the circumstances required. And maybe she was grumpy. I think by her age, and after her life, she was free to be however she damn well wanted to be without judgment. Did anyone say, "Hey, don't put Andrew Jackson on the 20. He looks kind of grumpy in his portraits" ? Jeepers people. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) I'm not sure I've heard it said about Jackson on the 20. But I have certainly heard it expressed that some man or other looks "mad" or "Mean" in older pictures. So, yeah. Its an issue in how it is perceived now. Maybe one day in the future, folks will look at our pictures today and go "She looks like she's high on drugs. What's wrong with that kid smiling all the time." etc Here's a link to a picture I found that I think is better. https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrB8peSShpXjxoA6Mw2nIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTI0c2VxYW85BHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZANiODY0MTE0NDJmOWRlZmY4YTdlMzZlYThkYWViNzA4NQRncG9zAzEyMgRpdANiaW5n?.origin=&back=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.swagbucks.com%2F%3Ft%3Di%26q%3DHarriet%2BTubman&w=665&h=385&imgurl=cdn.inquisitr.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F05%2FHarriet-Tubman-665x385.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.inquisitr.com%2F2089828%2Fwho-was-harriet-tubman%2F&size=38.9KB&name=%3Cb%3EHarriet+Tubman%3C%2Fb%3E&p=Harriet+Tubman&oid=b86411442f9deff8a7e36ea8daeb7085&fr2=&fr=&tt=%3Cb%3EHarriet+Tubman%3C%2Fb%3E&b=119&ni=180&no=122&ts=&vm=p&tab=organic&sigr=11os0sgl0&sigb=11e1j483k&sigi=127am94tj&sigt=10la9rnlm&sign=10la9rnlm&.crumb=RnfrlzQbkJ9&hsimp=yhs-prodege_001&hspart=prodege&type=search_6&vm=p¶m1=1588169¶m2=3260975¶m4=1632454458 Edited April 22, 2016 by vonfirmath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartlikealion Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Oh of course she's justified in looking or feeling grumpy. I'm just saying not smiling does not have to equal a grumpy look and maybe there was a warmer photo of her (not expecting one with her smiling per se). I don't think I'm doing a good job of explaining myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartlikealion Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I don't remember a time in which a face was added to money in my lifetime and yes, I probably would have commented about how grumpy a man looked, too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I have no doubt that the artists working on the $20 re-design will be able to craft an engraving that captures the nobility of the Harriet Tubman. Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, et al, all come from the pre-photographic age. Artists need not be limited to the few photographs from latter life for their final image. For example, in a very different medium, here is a wax figure of Harriet Tubman in her prime that I think points to the sort of artist possibilities that are possible. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/kidspost/how-harriet-tubmans-story-was-saved/2013/03/05/a38d1524-7465-11e2-95e4-6148e45d7adb_story.html Bill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I heard a guy on the radio today saying that she shouldn't be on the bill because she is famous for breaking the law. That's a new one! It's true, she broke a lot of laws. Starting with stealing herself! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Florida. Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I heard a guy on the radio today saying that she shouldn't be on the bill because she is famous for breaking the law. That's a new one! It's true, she broke a lot of laws. Starting with stealing herself! Wow! They'd better remove founding fathers from all bills and coins then, because they broke a number of laws of their day. English laws, yes, but they were still law breakers. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I heard a guy on the radio today saying that she shouldn't be on the bill because she is famous for breaking the law. That's a new one! It's true, she broke a lot of laws. Starting with stealing herself! Yeah, we certainly can't have treasonous law breakers like George Washington on our currency... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Wow! They'd better remove founding fathers from all bills and coins then, because they broke a number of laws of their day. English laws, yes, but they were still law breakers. We cross posted. Great minds and all... :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I heard a guy on the radio today saying that she shouldn't be on the bill because she is famous for breaking the law. That's a new one! It's true, she broke a lot of laws. Starting with stealing herself! Well, he's not wrong. Of course the same could be said of Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, and Franklin. They all would have been hanged for treason, had the war not ended as it did. They broke some pretty serious laws according to the British Empire, and we certainly celebrate them for it. One could make a similar argument about Lincoln, but let's not rehash that whole thing again. It's been fought over long enough.. And the same can be said of Susan Anthony, Alice Paul, Sojourner Truth, Lucretia Mott, Dr Martin Luther King jr.. all of whom have a history of publicly breaking laws, some spent some time in jail for it, and who are also going to be on our money. So, I guess he's going to have a lot to complain about. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) One of the reasons we admire courageous people is that they take serious risks for the sake of s cause they believe in. Risks like breaking the law. If, with historical perspective, their cause is one we value, that person may come to be perceived as a hero. Edited April 22, 2016 by maize 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartlikealion Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 My old bumper sticker said, "Well-behaved women rarely make history." Duh, sometimes you gotta break laws... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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