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9 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Oh no!  The constant vigilance is so exhausting.

we’re finally having a good spell of weather and I’m finding I’m exhausted and just starting to be able to focus properly on school planning and prep.  Sounds so stupid but it’s just hard to switch gears after so many days of unpredictability. 
anyway all that to say I imagine it’s worse for you and hope that things turn and maybe you get some rain and no lightning in the next couple of days.

also been thinking of your boys with the loss of another firefighter there .

 

I have found that that is how stressful periods work, you manage through them and then once things calm down some afterwards all the stress sort of hits you and you're just wiped (and sometimes really emotional/anxious) for weeks.

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7 minutes ago, moonflower said:

 

I have found that that is how stressful periods work, you manage through them and then once things calm down some afterwards all the stress sort of hits you and you're just wiped (and sometimes really emotional/anxious) for weeks.

Yes that sums it up!  Half of me is worrying because I can’t afford to fall in a hole when I need to start a school year... and the other half of me knows how lucky I am just being able to worry about something totally ordinary like that.

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19 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Nsw have forecasts for between 50-100 ml of rain for some areas.   Could be the break needed to finally get things under control.   There is risk of landslides falling trees etc with it of course. I imagine it would also help with regeneration.  Faster stuff regrows the faster there will be some kinds of food sources out there.

 

My morning weather news says rain later this week in some parts of the country affected by fire possibly including the NSW/Vic megafire.  Also probable lightning, but that the rain dousing should outweigh problems of new fires from lightning.

 I sure hope there will be relief.

 The map though also looked to me like it indicated cyclone and I was wondering about winds causing problems. 

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The thing we are finding very stressful is the lack of ability to find out what is going on with the fires.
 

We have taken to looking at Sentinel Hotspots. It updates every time the satellite does a pass over us, and shows a hotspot colour coded according to how recent it is, not how hot it is. It doesn’t show where it is already burned. And overlays the hotspots over a google map.  It is showing fire way closer to us than the VicEmergency app.in fact we woke up this morning to see a completely new much closer to us big fire that is not on VicEmergency app at all. 
 

when we went to bed last night grey ash was falling, this morning it is smoky with visibility of about 15 m

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4 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

The thing we are finding very stressful is the lack of ability to find out what is going on with the fires.
 

We have taken to looking at Sentinel Hotspots. It updates every time the satellite does a pass over us, and shows a hotspot colour coded according to how recent it is, not how hot it is. It doesn’t show where it is already burned. And overlays the hotspots over a google map.  It is showing fire way closer to us than the VicEmergency app.in fact we woke up this morning to see a completely new much closer to us big fire that is not on VicEmergency app at all. 
 

when we went to bed last night grey ash was falling, this morning it is smoky with visibility of about 15 m

That is pretty scary and very stressful! Stay safe.  How is the breathing with smoke and ash so close? I have trouble breathing when the forest fires are miles and miles away.

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7 minutes ago, wintermom said:

That is pretty scary and very stressful! Stay safe.  How is the breathing with smoke and ash so close? I have trouble breathing when the forest fires are miles and miles away.

When there is a lot of ash it is a lot harder to breath than when there is just smoke. The ash stings your eyes. After a very short walk, say to the clothes line, you find yourself panting and your chest feels tight.

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42 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

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Hotspots is good. 

Are emergency services overwhelmed, or just not on the ball, or ?

 

No idea what is going on with vicemergancy. When you are feeling stressed and anxious it is easy to form incorrect theories.
 

DH current theory is that they are trying to keep us on the dark about the extent of the fires close to us because it was a Backburn gone wrong.  My theory is it is too smoky to get helicopters or planes up to see the extent of the fires.

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12 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

A friend who homeschooled her 2 children a similar age to my oldest , lost her house. She lived inSarsfield , a town that was devastated last week. Only a few houses remain. It is only really a few towns over.  

That’s pretty rough

HEA down here are doing fundraiser for bushfire affected homeschool families - while they seem to have been a bit all over the place lately might be worth letting them know.

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9 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

No idea what is going on with vicemergancy. When you are feeling stressed and anxious it is easy to form incorrect theories.
 

DH current theory is that they are trying to keep us on the dark about the extent of the fires close to us because it was a Backburn gone wrong.  My theory is it is too smoky to get helicopters or planes up to see the extent of the fires.

Here there is also an app that scans the pager and also one that scans radio on the ground that can help.  The lack of information can be so hard and inaccurate information is also hard.  I feel kind of lucky that dh is often able to talk to someone on the ground and say hey they said things are settling down or.. maybe go pack some bags just in case.

hoping for good news for you soon.

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10 hours ago, StellaM said:

Rain brings its own problems, not just flash flooding, but pollution of water sources. 

Unfortunately, it's not just a case of praying for rain, and then once it rains, it will all be over and situation normal.

(I mean, clearly, it's better to have decent rain that retards fire, and we're all hoping for it, but it's not the end of the crisis).

 

 

After the fire here every big rain event for a couple of years meant rock falls and dirt on the road and trees down.

and apparently there are concerns about the amount of retardant likely to wash into the water.  Because it’s a fertiliser it’s likely to lead to bacteria growth and possibly algal bloom. 

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42 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

That’s pretty rough

HEA down here are doing fundraiser for bushfire affected homeschool families - while they seem to have been a bit all over the place lately might be worth letting them know.

Her daughters are both in university now, so technically not homeschooling any more

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All well here.  We went to watch and act during the night, but are back to advice today as the weather is cooler. 

They are doing another row of backburns today closer, to try and stop the previous backburns that got out of control yesterday. 

 Lots of helicopters flying over, including some chinooks  much to the twins delight.

We have had a roadblock on the main road, immediately after our road turn off for the last 2 weeks. the road is closed, though they are letting farmers in to feed animals . They now have 3 police cars there. I don’t have any idea why they need 3 police cars, there is hardly any traffic to stop. Funnily the other day they dropped off one of those portable toilets there for the police at the roadblock.
 

 

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4 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

All well here.  We went to watch and act during the night, but are back to advice today as the weather is cooler. 

They are doing another row of backburns today closer, to try and stop the previous backburns that got out of control yesterday. 

 Lots of helicopters flying over, including some chinooks  much to the twins delight.

We have had a roadblock on the main road, immediately after our road turn off for the last 2 weeks. the road is closed, though they are letting farmers in to feed animals . They now have 3 police cars there. I don’t have any idea why they need 3 police cars, there is hardly any traffic to stop. Funnily the other day they dropped off one of those portable toilets there for the police at the roadblock.
 

 

I’m glad your safe and well.  Nice seeing those messages go back to blue.  Funny about the toilet 🚽.  I guess that’s a thing you need if you’re there long term.  

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9 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Ah sorry yes looks like you guys have different colour coding ours is red yellow blue instead of red orange yellow.  So advice here is a blue message and watch and act is yellow

Ah I see, here blue is information level. Used on the buffer regions

blue=information

yellow=advice

orange= act and watch

red = either emergancy evacuate now, or emergancy too late to leave go inside fire imminent .  

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16 hours ago, Melissa in Australia said:

All well here.  We went to watch and act during the night, but are back to advice today as the weather is cooler. 

They are doing another row of backburns today closer, to try and stop the previous backburns that got out of control yesterday. 

 Lots of helicopters flying over, including some chinooks  much to the twins delight.

We have had a roadblock on the main road, immediately after our road turn off for the last 2 weeks. the road is closed, though they are letting farmers in to feed animals . They now have 3 police cars there. I don’t have any idea why they need 3 police cars, there is hardly any traffic to stop. Funnily the other day they dropped off one of those portable toilets there for the police at the roadblock.
 

 

When we've had mandatory evacuation & roadblocks in the past and people have been let in, the police give a personal escort to make sure you leave again. They also ensure radio contact with emergency in case the fire isn't where it's supposed to be.

BTW, some of the firefighters from our state are doing management & air tactical support....the local papers are carrying stories about them, and also about how often Aus sends firefighters to help us. 

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3 minutes ago, StellaM said:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/17/its-heart-wrenching-80-of-blue-mountains-and-50-of-gondwana-rainforests-burn-in-bushfires

I'm at the point, watching this, that I hope my kids don't have children of their own. 

This is at 1 degree. 

We all know it's not stopping at 1 degree. 

Just weeping. 

 

I hope schools can do more to instil a more Indigenous sense of country in kids. This sort of thing is destroying parts of our own humanity before we even notice they are part of us. We're so focused on putting arts into STEAM, because tech requires creativity, that we're ignoring that it goes the other way too. Science needs to be part of the Humanities or there's a gap where ourselves as part of an ecosystem is missing. Charlotte Mason and her nature study, eh?

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9 minutes ago, StellaM said:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/17/its-heart-wrenching-80-of-blue-mountains-and-50-of-gondwana-rainforests-burn-in-bushfires

I'm at the point, watching this, that I hope my kids don't have children of their own. 

This is at 1 degree. 

We all know it's not stopping at 1 degree. 

Just weeping. 

I'm heartbroken, too. I'm also getting angry.

And that's all I can say here. But, Stella, I'm angry and weeping too, and I know we aren't the only ones. I hope this might be a transformative moment.

That still doesn't bring back what is lost.

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1 hour ago, prairiewindmomma said:

When we've had mandatory evacuation & roadblocks in the past and people have been let in, the police give a personal escort to make sure you leave again. They also ensure radio contact with emergency in case the fire isn't where it's supposed to be.

BTW, some of the firefighters from our state are doing management & air tactical support....the local papers are carrying stories about them, and also about how often Aus sends firefighters to help us. 

We don’t have mandatory evacuation in Australia. People are able to stay and risk being burned if they wish. The police just get them to give a statement that they are aware that nobody will be coming To save them. If they leave then the police can stop them going back in

this year they are trailing differing levels of road blocks. Some are completely no body allowed, some require a special permit, some allow local residents that can prove residents in.

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state of disaster does lots of things, including allowing the army to be deployed to help, allowing incident controllers to take control of things and act instead of being bogged down by paperwork and having to get superiors approval, allowing the release of emergency funds to residents that are affected, allowing a lot of resources to be shifted to the affected area. the mandatroy evacuation is just the one people hear about 

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1 hour ago, OKBud said:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/australia-fires-airdrop-food-from-the-sky-to-feed-starving-wildlife-wallabies/

I read that stray cats are stalking and killing wildlife made helpless by the fires in horrific numbers 😞 No cats are native to Aus (??) and animals just have absolutely no defense as it is. Much less animals who've recently been routed by the fires, up against a predator that isn't killing to eat, but rather just to kill. 

there are no native cats in Australia. Cats are the number one destructive animal in Australia

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From CNA https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/koalas-animals-rescue-flash-floods-rain-australia-bush-fire-12271578

“"Rain has fallen across most fire grounds over the last 24 hours, which is great news," said the Rural Fire Service of New South Wales, the eastern state where many of the worst blazes have raged.

But the heavy rain has become a double-edged sword as some koalas and other native animals at the Australia Reptile Park on the east coast of New South Wales had to be rescued from floodwaters on Friday morning.

"This is incredible, just last week, we were having daily meetings to discuss the imminent threat of bushfires," park director Tim Faulkner said.

Roughly a billion animals are estimated to have died in the fires nationwide.

With huge tracts of their habitats destroyed, environmental groups have warned the blazes could drive many species to extinction.

Much attention has focused on Australia's tree-dwelling koalas, with images of the cuddly-looking animals being rescued from wildfires making world headlines.

"Today, we've had the whole team out there, drenched, acting fast to secure the safety of our animals and defend the park from the onslaught of water," said Faulkner. "We haven't seen flooding like this at the park for over 15 years."

The flash floods also raised a concern that the scorched mountains have become unable to hold the water, potentially sending torrents of muddy ash into waterways.

Such torrents have already led to huge numbers of fish dying in rivers that were poisoned by the muddy ash, local media have reported.

The water could also make it harder for firefighting trucks to venture deep into forests on muddy tracks, authorities have warned.

Still, the prospect of more wet weather across eastern and southern Australia over the coming days offered further hope.

Heavy rain is expected to continue throughout the weekend in New South Wales, expanding into other fire zones further south in the state and in Victoria”

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Nice gentle rain here today and yesterday. Around 15mm I think.  The weather has been much cooler and is for the next 10 days at least.  At this stage we are back to life as normal though of course the fire season doesn’t end till around the end of April so that’s only as good as the next week worth of weather.  Things look a bit scarier in vic although it’s hard to know because the media has somewhat lost interest so I don’t know how much is being reported.  

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Having said that I just checked the updated weather forecast and looks like we are back to total fire ban for Wednesday though only the 3rd level from the top so probably not too scary, especially given there’s only one day of it.  One of the areas up from us has extreme so hopefully they get through without anything.

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we had a town meeting here yesterday for our particular area. There is a fire directly east of us. apparently the bush in our area is currently at 4.2% moisture -an unheard of dryness. Coastal tea tree and Banksia scrub is the most flammable type of bush there is , the main reason is because there is solid vegetation from the ground to the tree tops. The fires is being directly influenced by the sea breeze every day even when the wind is blowing against the fire the fire is slowly creeping forward. Weather conditions have been cooler which is helping slow the spread of the fire.

 They explained to us that they are trying to do a backburn right where the bush comes out into the grasslands ( farmlands) but they have to be so careful to get the wind right . It is basically their last fall back area before private property. They said IF they are successful then we will be safe  and clear. they have this week  of the right weather conditions, they will only light up the backburn in the evening to avoid the afternoon sea breeze. last night they tried and we had a few mm of rain that meant they couldn't get the backburn started. tonight there are meant to be thunder storms, so I guess they wont do it tonight - but I really don't know. 

So we are hopefully that the backburn will work. they seemed very positive that they will get on top of the fire.

they did say that most of the fire line directly north of us is out or remaining pockets are in well burn over areas so not a threat to us. which is some good news

 

Ds 22 was allowed back to his house yesterday. He said there has been no power for the whole 3 weeks. That the inside of his fridge was so bad he had to chuck the whole fridge out.

ds 25 still has lots of active fire in his area and is very busy

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3 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

Less than the smoke, I think, because it's contained in time. The last dust storm we had here was about 24 hrs in length. Once it had rolled through, it was gone, kwim ?

It's more the damage to the soil that's a worry. All that dust is topsoil blowing across state.

I wondered, since the TV announcer stated the winds were over 100 km/h. That would likely cause tree and building damage in my area.

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3 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

Oh, yes, sorry, my eye just zoomed in on the 'people' part of your post. 

Yes, tree and building damage.

We've just had huge hailstorms as well, which has caused tree and building damage.

Our weather is broken 😞

Feeling for you all. We have the opposite end of the thermometer here in Canada. Super cold, then freezing rain, then super cold again. Wish I could send you some cold to cool everything down. Newfoundland is under 1m+ snow, drifts up to the roof.

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25 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

Hope the backburn is successful. Wind and rain - co-operate please!!

I can't imagine what the fridge was like 😞 He's OK for getting a new one ? 

because he had to evacuate for so long  in a disaster declared area he was eligible for a small emergency relief grant

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Just now, StellaM said:

 

But not fun.

We try to find some fun where we can, as Canadians. There are people snowboarding, having bonfires, skiing and such in the streets of St. John's, Newfoundland. There is the acts of kindness and neighbours helping neighbours out. There was a tweet that went viral of a lady who left her window open somehow, and snow filled the car. 

We're not in the middle of forest fires or tornados at the moment, so there is a little flexibility in that aspect. 

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10 hours ago, ByeByeMartha said:

My heart is just breaking for what everyone is going through 😥...including the helpless animals. 🐨 🙏

We usually give $ to Samaritan's purse in cases like these. If anyone has other recommendations for legitimate charities that would be helpful in this situation, please share.

I’m not sure about wildlife but for helping people affected blaze aid is good.  They replace fences etc after a fire.  Labour is all volunteer so donations go toward materials.  

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4 minutes ago, StellaM said:

More than half of all Australians have been directly affected by the summer’s bushfire crisis, including millions suffering health effects, according to a new survey from the Australia Institute.

As fire crews in New South Wales and Victoria prepare for the return of severe fire conditions later this week, the survey of more than 1,000 people found 57% of Australians were directly affected in some way by the fires over the past three months.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/23/bushfire-crisis-more-than-half-of-all-australians-found-to-have-been-directly-affected

That is definitely a national disaster. How are daily life things such as grocery stores, health care and schools effected through all this?  Is there a shortage of food and drinking water?

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