Arcadia Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Update: "Number of USS Fitzgerald Sailors’ Remains Found A number of Sailors’ remains that were missing from the collision between USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) and a merchant ship have been found." http://navylive.dodlive.mil/2017/06/17/uss-fitzgerald/#4 ____________________________________ "Seven sailors are missing after the USS Fitzgerald, a guided-missile destroyer, collided with a Philippine-flagged merchant vessel about 56 nautical miles southwest of Yokosuka, Japan, according to a statement from the US Navy's 7th Fleet. ... The US Navy also said that the ship suffered damage on starboard side, above and below the waterline, and that it had begun to take on water. The commanding officer was reportedly incapacitated and the executive officer is in command, according to Navy Times." http://www.businessinsider.com/uss-fitzgerald-crash-japanese-merchant-ship-2017-6 "PHILIPPINE SEA (NNS) -- USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) was involved in a collision with a merchant vessel at approximately 2:30 a.m. local time, June 17, while operating about 56 nautical miles southwest of Yokosuka, Japan. As of this time, there have been two patients requiring medical evacuation. One was Cmdr. Bryce Benson, Fitzgerald's commanding officer, who was transferred to U.S. Naval Hospital Yokosuka and is reportedly in stable condition. A second MEDEVAC is in progress. Other injured are being assessed. There are seven Sailors unaccounted for; the ship and the Japanese Coast Guard continues to search for them." http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=101080 ETA: "Three crew members, including the ship's captain, Commander Bryce Benson, were evacuated by helicopter to a US naval hospital in Yokosuka. Commander Benson was in stable condition, while the other two injured had lacerations and bruises, with other injuries being assessed, the Navy said. ... The Coast Guard dispatched five patrol ships and an aircraft carrying medics to the site for search and rescue operations. The USS Dewey, medical assistance and two Navy tugs were also being dispatched as quickly as possible, the US Navy said. Naval aircraft were also being readied to help." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-17/us-navy-ship-collides-with-merchant-ship-off-japan/8627298 ETA: For latest updates http://navylive.dodlive.mil/2017/06/17/uss-fitzgerald/ Edited June 18, 2017 by Arcadia in CA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Uh...what in the world?! The CO is incapacitated? Before the collision or bc of it? Can some of our Navy vets here weigh in? This is weird... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasha Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 The second link says that the Commander was one of the injured and was evacuated. I hope they find the sailors soon. :-( 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne in CA Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 This is quite distressing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 The second link says that the Commander was one of the injured and was evacuated. I hope they find the sailors soon. :-( Oh, thanks. I don't know how I missed that part. I hope they find the sailors, too. That CO is going to lose his command, most likely. I hope he is not badly injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 This is quite distressing! It is. <<awkward transition>> Happy Birthday! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechWife Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 How to two ships that large not see each other in time to turn? Didn't they show on radar? Was one of them disabled? If it was, why didn't the other one see it in time to turn? I don't understand. Does anyone know about navigating ships? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 How to two ships that large not see each other in time to turn? Didn't they show on radar? Was one of them disabled? If it was, why didn't the other one see it in time to turn? I don't understand. Does anyone know about navigating ships? This involved a destroyer and a cargo ship...imagine instead a motorcycle and an 18 wheeler. The destroyer is faster, lighter, maneuvers easier, stops easier...In a normal situation, that destroyer never would have allowed itself to get rammed by a cargo ship. Something (and/or some people) seriously went wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechWife Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 This involved a destroyer and a cargo ship...imagine instead a motorcycle and an 18 wheeler. The destroyer is faster, lighter, maneuvers easier, stops easier...In a normal situation, that destroyer never would have allowed itself to get rammed by a cargo ship. Something (and/or some people) seriously went wrong. Thank you, that imagery is helpful. I agree, something went terribly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) How to two ships that large not see each other in time to turn? Didn't they show on radar? Was one of them disabled? If it was, why didn't the other one see it in time to turn? I don't understand. Does anyone know about navigating ships?A miltrary vessel may not show up on a commercial vessel radar and I think the miltrary vessel is the one that has to try to avoid non-miltrary vessels but I am really rusty on maritime law. NHK reported this "A record aboard a Philippine container ship involved in a collision with a US destroyer shows that it took a sharp right turn southeast of the Izu Peninsula around 1:30 AM, about an hour before the collision. The record shows that the merchant ship, the ACX Crystal, then navigated east for about 30 minutes before making a U-turn and doubling back into the waters where the collision took place." https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20170617_19/ ETA: No updates yet on the missing :( Edited June 17, 2017 by Arcadia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Fingers crossed that the missing sailors are found alive. The accident was at approximately 230 A.M. local time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellifera33 Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 I think that Fitzgerald should probably be retired as a ship name. It seems to be bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 Fingers crossed that the missing sailors are found alive. The accident was at approximately 230 A.M. local time? I had the impression that the collision occurred at 2:30am Japan time. It is nighttime there now (GMT+9). The latest update I could find "Story Number: NNS170617-01Release Date: 6/17/2017 8:00:00 AM From U.S. 7th Fleet Public Affairs PHILIPPINE SEA (NNS) -- Search and rescue efforts continue by U.S. and Japanese aircraft and surface vessels in the hopes of recovering seven USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) Sailors. ... While those efforts helped stabilize the flooding, it remains uncertain how long it will take to gain access to the spaces pier side in Yokosuka to methodically continue the search for the missing and to inspect the damage and develop a plan for repairs and inspection of the spaces. ... Interested family should call DSN at: 315-243-1728, 1729, 1730, 1731, 1731, 1732, 1733, 1734, 1735 or Commercial at: +81-46-816-1728, 1729, 1730, 1731, 1731, 1732, 1733, 1734, 1735 " http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=101088 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 This involved a destroyer and a cargo ship...imagine instead a motorcycle and an 18 wheeler. Hardly. The container ship is three times the weight and a couple hundred meters longer though. BBC has a good article about it showing a size comparison if one wants to Google. I can't post a link easily right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Ps It does seem deliberate from someone on the cargo ship. Pirates? Who could have disappeared after hijacking? Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 Hardly. The container ship is three times the weight and a couple hundred meters longer though. BBC has a good article about it showing a size comparison if one wants to Google. I can't post a link easily right now. Link for anyone interested (pic 4). The link has the route of the container ship in graphics (pic 1 &2) too and shows the minimal damage on the container ship (pic 3). http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40310563 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Link for anyone interested (pic 4). The link has the route of the container ship in graphics (pic 1 &2) too and shows the minimal damage on the container ship (pic 3). http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-40310563 Thanks! I thought it was a very good description of everything involved. BBC is my favorite source most of the time. I'm just on my phone right now and can't link easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Hardly. The container ship is three times the weight and a couple hundred meters longer though. BBC has a good article about it showing a size comparison if one wants to Google. I can't post a link easily right now. Maybe don't cut off my post and take it as a whole. You can't deny there is a vast size difference that leads to even a more drastic difference in maneuver ability. The Fitz is about 150-ish m. long and weighs 8300-ish tons. The cargo ship is 230-ish meters and 29000 tons. My point stands...in normal circumstances, smaller, faster light Fitz shouldn't have been rammed by bigger, slower, heavier cargo ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) Maybe don't cut off my post and take it as a whole. You can't deny there is a vast size difference that leads to even a more drastic difference in maneuver ability. The Fitz is about 150-ish m. long and weighs 8300-ish tons. The cargo ship is 230-ish meters and 29000 tons. My point stands...in normal circumstances, smaller, faster light Fitz shouldn't have been rammed by bigger, slower, heavier cargo ship. I wasn't disagreeing with any of the rest. I just thought the comparison size you made was really off, so thought it was worth fixing. ETA One could put several motorcycles in a truck. Not so with these two ships. It's one third longer and three times the weight. Still not an "accident" though - not with the known path of the cargo ship. That's why I'm thinking hijacking and sneak attack catching the Navy ship off guard. Edited June 17, 2017 by creekland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 There is a possibility the 7 Sailors are on the ship, in areas they do not have access to, because of the damage from the collision. They will get access to those areas ASAP. So, the 7 may be in the ocean or they may be trapped aboard the ship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinaPagnato Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 There is a possibility the 7 Sailors are on the ship, in areas they do not have access to, because of the damage from the collision. They will get access to those areas ASAP. So, the 7 may be in the ocean or they may be trapped aboard the ship. I was wondering this as well. Of course it was the middle of the night and the sailors who were not on watch would've been asleep. They may be injured and trapped. It's too horrible to imagine! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 Gina one of the 3 areas damaged was a Berthing area. A Machine room and the Radio room were also damaged. Probably most of the crew was sleeping Sent from my SM-G355M using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Hopefully, if they are trapped in the ship, they somehow, someway are in an air pocket. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdj2027 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) Just got news that several of the missing sailors have been found alive. We are currently stationed here in Yokosuka so this hits very close to home. Edited to correct information. Edited June 18, 2017 by rdj2027 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Just got news that several of the missing sailors have been found alive. We are currently stationed here in Yokosuka so this hits very close to home. Edited to correct information. So happy to hear some good news! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) . Edited June 18, 2017 by unsinkable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdj2027 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) Just received another notice, they are not alive but sent to be identified. I am sorry for the misinformation, I am just relaying news I am getting as I thought people here would like to know what is happening. Different sources seem to have different information. It is a horrid situation all around. Edited June 18, 2017 by rdj2027 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) Edited to correct information. UGH! My prayers and condolences go out to their families. :( Edited June 18, 2017 by creekland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Oh no :( 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) ABCNews is reporting them as dead :( "A "number of sailors" that were missing following a collision between a U.S. Navy ship and a merchant ship have been found dead, the Navy's 7th Fleet said." http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-navy-ship-collides-merchant-vessel-off-coast/story?id=48092522 The US 7th fleet webpage says "YOKOSUKA, Japan -- A number of Sailors that were missing from the collision between USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) and a merchant ship have been found. As search and rescue crews gained access to the spaces that were damaged during the collision this morning, the missing Sailors were located in the flooded berthing compartments. They are currently being transferred to Naval Hospital Yokosuka where they will be identified. The families are being notified and being provided the support they need during this difficult time. The names of the Sailors will be released after all notifications are made. " http://www.c7f.navy.mil/Media/News/Display/Article/1217825/uss-fitzgerald-collision-update-1033am-jst-june-18-2017/ :grouphug: Edited June 18, 2017 by Arcadia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Just received another notice, they are not alive but sent to be identified. I am sorry for the misinformation, I am just relaying news I am getting as I thought people here would like to know what is happening. Different sources seem to have different information. It is a horrid situation all around. :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: Im sorry. Im sure the base is in shock. :crying: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debinindy Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 :( 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacia Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) Yes, it seems that some of the missing have been found, unfortunately deceased, according to USA Today: Navy finds bodies of some missing sailors on ship; flooding on USS Fitzgerald stabilized Edited June 18, 2017 by Stacia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 Sad for the victims and their families. I will include them in my prayers Sent from my SM-G355M using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMS83 Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 I'm so sorry for their families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted June 18, 2017 Author Share Posted June 18, 2017 One of the missing sailors family has asked for prayers "CBS19 has confirmed one of the missing sailors is from Fluvanna County. Dakota Rigsby volunteers for the Lake Monticello Volunteer Fire Department, and is a graduate of Fluvanna County High School. His family declined to be interviewed, but is asking the community for their thoughts and prayers." http://www.newsplex.com/content/news/Missing-USS-Fitzgerald-sailor-has-ties-to-Fluvanna-County-429147863.html Latest update this morning from US 7th fleet. "Update (6:03pm JST June 18, 2017) YOKOSUKA, Japan -- We are still conducting the notifications to the families to the status of their missing loved ones. We have found the remains of a number of our missing shipmates and our deepest sympathies are with the families of these Sailors. Out of concern for the families and the notification process, we will decline to provide the total number of shipmates we have found. We hope you can respect this process. We will however update you after all notifications have been made, so that the friends of the USS Fitzgerald can begin the healing process." http://www.c7f.navy.mil/Media/News/Display/Article/1217830/uss-fitzgerald-collision-update-603pm-jst-june-18-2017 :grouphug: to rdj2027 and all the people and their families at that base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaniemom Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 They just released the list of names. There is also a message from the acting Secretary of the Navy on Navy.mil http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=101102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanny Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 There were some true heroes among the survivors. I have included the families of the deceased in my prayers and am praying for the injured and their families. It will be interesting to see which ship was at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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