Chanley Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 should come out online this week, right? Last year we were able to hack the college board site and see how many were right and wrong on Dec. 5th or so. Do you think it will be possible to do that again this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Oh I forgot about doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristayl Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The College Board is now supposed to email the student directly with an access code. https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/psat-nmsqt-psat-10/scores/student-score-reports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homeschoolmom3 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I think it might be later this year? Since it is new I heard it might not be until January. Has anyone heard this too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) I think it might be later this year? Since it is new I heard it might not be until January. Has anyone heard this too? There was an update early in 2015 from College Board that mentioned a possible January release. However, when I look at the College Board timeline, it still has December for scores being released to schools. [ETA: I read farther down. December (no specific date) is listed for "scores released online." January (no specific date) is listed for "paper score reports sent to schools."] I checked the add it up yourself method that worked last year, but I couldn't get it to shift over to 2015. It may be that the scores aren't up yet. It may be that the address varies too much for a simple date substitution to work. Can't change the scores now. Just have to wait. Edited December 4, 2015 by Sebastian (a lady) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristayl Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 The old "hack" formula may not work anyway since they have changed the scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plansrme Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Ahhhhh, so glad this isn't my concern this year! But my sympathies to those of you who are agonizing over the wait. I remember it well, and not fondly. And, as it turns out, my very stubborn child who made over the NM cut-off for our state every year since seventh grade is only applying to one college, and it is one that awards a whopping zero dollars for NMF status. Not that I'm bitter. . .. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I'm not stressing this year. DS2 took the Nov SAT and had really good scores. Our current state isn't one with stratospheric cut offs. So I can project that he will score well on PSAT too. I agree about the difficulty in using last year's back door. I don't know that there is open information to use in converting a raw score into a PSAT score. Plus there is the issue that the PSAT score isn't the same as the NM cut off anymore. (I found a thread about that from a while back on College Confidential. The gist of it was that while the PSAT score is now 50% math and 50% verbal, the NM cutoff score is a formula that is 1/3 math, 1/3 reading and 1/3 writing. When you combine that with the new reading heavy math problems, the NM awards seem to favor verbal excellence over math excellence.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbeltmom Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Ahhhhh, so glad this isn't my concern this year! But my sympathies to those of you who are agonizing over the wait. I remember it well, and not fondly. And, as it turns out, my very stubborn child who made over the NM cut-off for our state every year since seventh grade is only applying to one college, and it is one that awards a whopping zero dollars for NMF status. Not that I'm bitter. . ..I would have your daughter still go through the process with NM of qualifying for Finalist status. My son's school also doesn't award money for NM, but he was awarded a one-time award of $2500 by NM that was applied toward his college tuition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HodgesSchool Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 On Nov 19, the College Board said on Twitter (in response to one of the zillion people asking), "Most PSAT scores will be available in December. Keep an eye out, we'll send an email with your PSAT Score Access Code." No other information, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angie in VA Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 I'm not stressing this year. DS2 took the Nov SAT and had really good scores. Our current state isn't one with stratospheric cut offs. So I can project that he will score well on PSAT too. I agree about the difficulty in using last year's back door. I don't know that there is open information to use in converting a raw score into a PSAT score. Plus there is the issue that the PSAT score isn't the same as the NM cut off anymore. (I found a thread about that from a while back on College Confidential. The gist of it was that while the PSAT score is now 50% math and 50% verbal, the NM cutoff score is a formula that is 1/3 math, 1/3 reading and 1/3 writing. When you combine that with the new reading heavy math problems, the NM awards seem to favor verbal excellence over math excellence.) Ugh! Ds is stronger in math. He takes it personally when he misses a math problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HodgesSchool Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 The PSAT has always weighted verbal twice as much as math. That is nothing new. When I was a kid in the 80s , the National Merit number was calculated as double the verbal score plus the math. Then, when they went to the 3-section, it was reading plus writing plus math. Now that we're back to 2 sections, we're back to double the verbal and add the math. Supposedly this is about gender. Girls do better on verbal and boys on math. The 1/3 2/3 score more-or-less balances the numbers of male and female scholars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 The PSAT has always weighted verbal twice as much as math. That is nothing new. When I was a kid in the 80s , the National Merit number was calculated as double the verbal score plus the math. Then, when they went to the 3-section, it was reading plus writing plus math. Now that we're back to 2 sections, we're back to double the verbal and add the math. Supposedly this is about gender. Girls do better on verbal and boys on math. The 1/3 2/3 score more-or-less balances the numbers of male and female scholars. The difference now is that many of the math questions will hinge on a more sophisticated reading ability than before. I'm not big on cultural bias accusations wrt the SAT, but I think the revision will have a disproportionate impact on students who are not fluent in English. Perhaps that is intended, with a desire to improve the reading and writing foundations of college students. But I think it will hit some of the students hard who were still working on developing language skills, but who are strong math students. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plansrme Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I would have your daughter still go through the process with NM of qualifying for Finalist status. My son's school also doesn't award money for NM, but he was awarded a one-time award of $2500 by NM that was applied toward his college tuition. Oh, she did, but when I compare even the maximum $2,500, to the super-cushy full ride that would have been hers for the taking at some really decent schools. . .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanley Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Rather than wonder, I called the college board. The lady I spoke with did not have a specific date but said she heard that the online scores would be released around the 15th of December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopskipjump Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 If the student hasn't taken a PSAT or SAT before, we have to wait for the in-the-mail letter with the score and online login information, correct? That's how it was for dd1, and I hadn't thought about it changing with dd2, but ... are things working differently with the revised system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanley Posted December 8, 2015 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 I think if your child put an email on the form, you will get an email with the access code. So the question is, did your child list an email address on the test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopskipjump Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I think if your child put an email on the form, you will get an email with the access code. So the question is, did your child list an email address on the test? Good question! I've forgotten if she was going to or not! lol I'll ask her in the morning. :) Have there been any PSAT emails sent to those who provided an email address so far? (if she did provide an email addy, it would be the addy she doesn't use on a regular basis, so she wouldn't have noticed anything yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanley Posted December 9, 2015 Author Share Posted December 9, 2015 Not till the 15th from what I understand. That is when the emails will be sent out. The paper scores will be sent in January. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HodgesSchool Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 The College Board has announced an update for score release:https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/psat-nmsqt-psat-10/k12-educators/psat-nmsqt-dates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJosMom Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 The College Board has announced an update for score release: https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/psat-nmsqt-psat-10/k12-educators/psat-nmsqt-dates Another MONTH?! Yikes! Thanks for the update, though. :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 This is getting rather silly. I guess they decided that they couldn't get it out by next week, so they would hold it until schools were back in session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanM Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Wow. I guess the scores didn't fit the model they predicted. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJosMom Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Wow. I guess the scores didn't fit the model they predicted. Someone at College Confidential speculated that the scores were too high based upon the ease of the practice test. I tend to think this may be the case based upon my 8th graders practice scores. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HodgesSchool Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 That is my gut reaction (and my son's thinking) as well--but what can the College Board (and National Merit) do at this point? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJosMom Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 That is my gut reaction (and my son's thinking) as well--but what can the College Board (and National Merit) do at this point? I don't know. Maybe some of our statisticians will chime in. I suspect that they can adjust the curve somehow, but there's a reason why we've outsourced math here. ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 My conspiracy theory is that it's not just about lots of high scores. They could just curve it harder (unless a statistically abnormal number of people missed nothing). I'm wondering if they would hold it based on who got what scores. If there was a dramatic change in the demographic profile of who missed certain questions it might give them pause. Another issue with such word based math problems is that they may be harder to write in a way that excludes multiple correct answers. They have my sympathies here. I have been writing tests for Science Olympiad and it is tough to write questions that are on an appropriate level, aren't obvious and don't have multiple write answers. They might have simply underestimated how many students would take the PSAT. It's possible that with the revision more students wanted the practice before the spring SAT. I'm reminded of the saying about not ascribing to malice what simple incompetence will explain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anne1456 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I am also wondering if the issue is more about correlating the scores for the two tests. There should be a very similar curve between the two tests, and they might be finding that hard to achieve if there was a difficulty level difference. And since they had so little data beforehand they could have easily ended up with unexpected differences in test difficulty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanM Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I am also wondering if the issue is more about correlating the scores for the two tests. There should be a very similar curve between the two tests, and they might be finding that hard to achieve if there was a difficulty level difference. And since they had so little data beforehand they could have easily ended up with unexpected differences in test difficulty. Are the "two tests" you're referring to the two seatings of the PSAT? Or the old PSAT vs new PSAT? Sorry, I'm having trouble following. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Are the "two tests" you're referring to the two seatings of the PSAT? Or the old PSAT vs new PSAT? Sorry, I'm having trouble following. I think she means old and new. Although they have changed the score so much with going to a lower high score and back to just two sections from three, they may have wanted the curve by percentile to look similar. I'm disappointed that once again they have not made plans in advance for whatever the issue is. I have watched this with some of the AP revisions. They seem to play a lot of catch up, which doesn't build confidence in a megalithic organization that serves as a major gatekeeper to college entrance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anne1456 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Are the "two tests" you're referring to the two seatings of the PSAT? Or the old PSAT vs new PSAT? Sorry, I'm having trouble following. Actually I meant the two sittings, on the 14th and 28th. They want to make sure the tests are equally difficult, and there wasn't an advantage for one sitting or the other, and I could see that being complicated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeanM Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 Actually I meant the two sittings, on the 14th and 28th. They want to make sure the tests are equally difficult, and there wasn't an advantage for one sitting or the other, and I could see that being complicated. Thanks for clarifying. It makes sense that the tests should be equally difficult. I do think they should have thought about that in advance though! I think she means old and new. Although they have changed the score so much with going to a lower high score and back to just two sections from three, they may have wanted the curve by percentile to look similar. I'm disappointed that once again they have not made plans in advance for whatever the issue is. I have watched this with some of the AP revisions. They seem to play a lot of catch up, which doesn't build confidence in a megalithic organization that serves as a major gatekeeper to college entrance :iagree: No joke. I really am stunned that they didn't make better plans in advance. I think my older ds is going to try to avoid the new SAT (and possible headaches related to the roll-out of the new test) by taking the ACT. Hopefully by the time my younger ds needs to take the test (he's a current 9th grader), they'll have figured things out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Actually I meant the two sittings, on the 14th and 28th. They want to make sure the tests are equally difficult, and there wasn't an advantage for one sitting or the other, and I could see that being complicated. I don't know enough about how they do test development to have a clue how they are going about this. They used to have one experimental section on each SAT where they could test out questions and figure out how hard they were for the test taking population. I don't know how they went about trying to test drive this new PSAT. It doesn't bode well for the new SAT in the spring, especially for timeliness of score reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlsdMama Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 The College Board has announced an update for score release: https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/psat-nmsqt-psat-10/k12-educators/psat-nmsqt-dates Ugh. I was looking to see if anyone got their scores yesterday. Sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janeway Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I'm not stressing this year. DS2 took the Nov SAT and had really good scores. Our current state isn't one with stratospheric cut offs. So I can project that he will score well on PSAT too. I agree about the difficulty in using last year's back door. I don't know that there is open information to use in converting a raw score into a PSAT score. Plus there is the issue that the PSAT score isn't the same as the NM cut off anymore. (I found a thread about that from a while back on College Confidential. The gist of it was that while the PSAT score is now 50% math and 50% verbal, the NM cutoff score is a formula that is 1/3 math, 1/3 reading and 1/3 writing. When you combine that with the new reading heavy math problems, the NM awards seem to favor verbal excellence over math excellence.) They always have. When I was in high school, they only had 2 scores, but they would double the verbal and add the math. I made it. But I was in a state with a low cutoff. I pretty much had a perfect math score too. I was miffed that they didn't double the math and add the verbal. With all the supposed need for STEM, it really seems like the college board and schools and such de-emphasize math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 They always have. When I was in high school, they only had 2 scores, but they would double the verbal and add the math. I made it. But I was in a state with a low cutoff. I pretty much had a perfect math score too. I was miffed that they didn't double the math and add the verbal. With all the supposed need for STEM, it really seems like the college board and schools and such de-emphasize math. I did see an explanation that the older NM cut off did double the verbal score. I think there is even more of an effect now with the math section gone to more language intensive questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Add me to those checking in to see if folks had scores - and leaving being super glad those days of mine are OVER! Still... best wishes to all those waiting (and I'll check back in another time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkT Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 from CB In October, your child took the PSAT/NMSQT® at school. Starting on Thursday, Jan. 7, students will be able to view their scores online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaKinVA Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Still waiting here. I get that it's early in the states yet, but I am growing impatient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkT Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Still waiting here. I get that it's early in the states yet, but I am growing impatient. I will probably wait until Friday to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Coast Sue Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Just log in on the college board quick start screen. The 2015 PSAT scores are posted there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Coast Sue Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) duplicated Edited January 7, 2016 by Sue in TX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristayl Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 (edited) NM--found the scores! Edited January 7, 2016 by bctnln1059 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbeltmom Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 How did you all access scores? I am in my son's CB Quickstart account and all that is listed is last year's results. Are the scores in a different place this year? He also wasn't sent an access code. Did you need that code to access scores? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristayl Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 It is at a different link: https://studentscores.collegeboard.org/viewscore 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristayl Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 If you go to the "Test Questions" tab and click on the number of a question, it will show you the exact question and an answer explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbeltmom Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 It is at a different link: https://studentscores.collegeboard.org/viewscore Hmmm....that link takes me to the same page as quickstart and all that is listed are his scores from last year. Hopefully, the CB has his test scores from this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawz4me Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 They may be releasing the scores in batches throughout the day? I started checking around 5:00 a.m. and there was nothing there. I was able to access DS's score around 7:00. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJosMom Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 WARNING: The College Board website appears to be having a very bad day. I have been trying and getting the message that DD has no record of tests. However, after logging off and on a few times, the scores finally appeared. Be persistent, my friends! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie of KY Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I'm trying to help my son create an account, but it won't let us as it won't accept homeschool as our school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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