Toenail fungus

[ktgrok]

so, I have been half heartedly treating my big toe on my left foot with over the counter fungal stuff. But now the toenail is loose, and I think going to fall off. Ick!!!

So, yeah, will call a podiatrist tomorrow. What should I expect? I read that the oral medication has side effects..but didn't see what they actually are. But I REALLY want this fixed - that toenail was curving, and I don't want it to spread to my other toes and end up with crazy toenails!

[CTVKath]

I had a toenail fungus in one of my big toes a few years ago. I spent a year or so trying home remedies and OTC medications but none of those worked. I saw a dermatologist who clipped the nail to be sent off and tested and gave me a prescription for Jublia which is an anti-fungal that goes on like nail polish. They called me a few days later to confirm that the Jublia would treat the toenail fungus I had. It started clearing up within a couple of weeks and was completely gone in a few months. After the fungus was gone, I continued to treat the toenail for a couple more months. It has not returned. 

I hope yours is an easily treatable!!!! 

 

[gardenmom5]

When dh will soak his foot in tea tree oil epsom salt - every day, it will actually retreat.  But he has to do it every day.

Good luck for whatever you end up doing.

[carriede]

My DH had it pretty bad on both feet, multiple toes and did the medication. They did a blood test before he started it, to get a base line for liver activity, then again halfway through treatment. I'm pretty sure it's not good to take it if there is any chance of becoming pregnant.

It cleared up most of it except for a little bit on one toe, and the one toe is bad again. 🙄

[carriede]

6 hours ago, gardenmom5 said:

When dh will soak his foot in tea tree oil epsom salt - every day, it will actually retreat.  But he has to do it every day.

Good luck for whatever you end up doing.

What kind of ratios does he use and for how long?

[ktgrok]

6 hours ago, gardenmom5 said:

When dh will soak his foot in tea tree oil epsom salt - every day, it will actually retreat.  But he has to do it every day.

Good luck for whatever you end up doing.

I soak almost every day (like 5-6 days a week at least, often 7 days a week) in epsom salts with eucalyptus, clove, and other essential oils. And I only wear closed toe shoes for maybe a few hours a week, tops. Last week was a bit more than usual as I wore them while clearing brush in the back yard for most of the day on Wednesday and then again for 4 plus hours on Saturday..but usually I'm barefoot or in orthopedic flip flops. 

[shawthorne44]

The good news is that if the nail falls off, fungus will be much easier to eliminate.  Normally the nail protects the fungus from the treatment.  

[ktgrok]

9 minutes ago, shawthorne44 said:

The good news is that if the nail falls off, fungus will be much easier to eliminate.  Normally the nail protects the fungus from the treatment.  

That's what I'm trying to tell myself. I realize it is vain, but I don't want old lady toenails! And right now, this one is old lady toenail looking. But yeah, if it comes off, the topical treatment should work well, I'd think. 

I have no other risk factors, since I am almost always barefoot, no diabetes, etc..so hopefully I can clear it up. 

[sheryl]

12 hours ago, ktgrok said:

so, I have been half heartedly treating my big toe on my left foot with over the counter fungal stuff. But now the toenail is loose, and I think going to fall off. Ick!!!

So, yeah, will call a podiatrist tomorrow. What should I expect? I read that the oral medication has side effects..but didn't see what they actually are. But I REALLY want this fixed - that toenail was curving, and I don't want it to spread to my other toes and end up with crazy toenails!

you need not  call a podiatrist.  call a dermatologist.  I've had toenail fungus for decades and just became serious about treating it.   at my annual derm she told me to use this product to "paint" on my toenail like nail polish.  it's clear.  i was told it will take a lot, a lot, a lot of time to clear up but persevere.  she said to use it once a day and i can also supplement with tea tree oil OR vinegar solution (soak).  this is NOT a quick fix.  i did NOT want oral med which i did once 10-20 years ago for a couple months b/c it is oral ---- systemic.  this is safe to use.

[ktgrok]

15 minutes ago, sheryl said:

you need not  call a podiatrist.  call a dermatologist.  I've had toenail fungus for decades and just became serious about treating it.   at my annual derm she told me to use this product to "paint" on my toenail like nail polish.  it's clear.  i was told it will take a lot, a lot, a lot of time to clear up but persevere.  she said to use it once a day and i can also supplement with tea tree oil OR vinegar solution (soak).  this is NOT a quick fix.  i did NOT want oral med which i did once 10-20 years ago for a couple months b/c it is oral ---- systemic.  this is safe to use.

I could do derm or podiatrist, but from what I'm reading, podiatrist may be better with toenail fungus. And there is one near me that takes insurance. And with the toenail loose, someone that deals with removing or treating missing toenails seems like the smarter move. I don't think a derm has as much experience dealing with missing toenails. 

 

[gardenmom5]

1 hour ago, carriede said:

What kind of ratios does he use and for how long?

I buy this.
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His nails would start to clear, new nail would start coming in normally.   The smaller nails responded fairly quickly with the consistency - the big toe . . . takes time.

 

[sheryl]

16 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

I could do derm or podiatrist, but from what I'm reading, podiatrist may be better with toenail fungus. And there is one near me that takes insurance. And with the toenail loose, someone that deals with removing or treating missing toenails seems like the smarter move. I don't think a derm has as much experience dealing with missing toenails. 

 

I have to respectfully "fully" disagree.  It may be having a "good" or "thorough" derm, however.

[Ali in OR]

My disabled dd had toenail fungus on her left big toe, and then when the whole area was red and looking pretty bad I took her to a podiatrist. The "red and looking bad" part was that she was about to lose the toenail (probably an injury like pressure from her orthotics). The options he gave us for treating the fungus were not great--insurance wouldn't pay for laser treatment, we didn't want to stress her liver since she's on so many anti-seizures, etc. We did nothing for a year or two. Then I got her some tea tree oil from Trader Joe's and I put some on her toenail with a cotton ball once or twice a day. Also took off her socks at bedtime. I could see that the tea tree oil was working after several weeks when the nail coming in was clear. It took about 6 months for all of the old fungus-y part to grow out. I was thrilled that it worked so well.

[ktgrok]

1 hour ago, sheryl said:

I have to respectfully "fully" disagree.  It may be having a "good" or "thorough" derm, however.

You think that a derm has more experience than a podiatrist with dealing with missing toenails, and making sure the new one grows in properly without ingrown toenail issues?

They both have access to the same medications to prescribe, and can test what fungus/bacteria/whatever it is, but I'd think the podiatrist is more able to deal with the loose/missing toenail part. 

[sheryl]

14 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

You think that a derm has more experience than a podiatrist with dealing with missing toenails, and making sure the new one grows in properly without ingrown toenail issues?

They both have access to the same medications to prescribe, and can test what fungus/bacteria/whatever it is, but I'd think the podiatrist is more able to deal with the loose/missing toenail part. 

katie, i'm sure you'll get the job done.  as mentioned, there are good this and that.  maybe you have a great pod.  overall, i still believe a derm is the better option.  keep us posted.  hope it's an easier fix than mine!   🙂

[Harriet Vane]

I will add that we have only seen real, significant progress on dh's rampant fungus with apple cider vinegar soaks. We alternate days--one or two days ACV (diluted in lukewarm water, NOT HOT) and the next day tea tree oil with epsom salts.

[ktgrok]

2 hours ago, sheryl said:

katie, i'm sure you'll get the job done.  as mentioned, there are good this and that.  maybe you have a great pod.  overall, i still believe a derm is the better option.  keep us posted.  hope it's an easier fix than mine!   🙂

I'm really not trying to argue, just trying to understand, lol. I love my derm, but I can't see them having the equipment to say, cut out part of a toenail, the way a podiatrist would. Before the nail got loose and ready to fall off I was actually planning on just asking my derm. And I totally trust a derm to prescribe meds for this. I just don't know that they have much experience dealing with partial nail loss, or full nail loss. So since a podiatrist does deal with that, on a routine basis, figured that was the best way to go. So if you think not, I was asking why specifically. 

2 hours ago, Harriet Vane said:

I will add that we have only seen real, significant progress on dh's rampant fungus with apple cider vinegar soaks. We alternate days--one or two days ACV (diluted in lukewarm water, NOT HOT) and the next day tea tree oil with epsom salts.

Oddly no other sign of any kind of fungus - no athletes foot, itching, red skin, etc. I DID start to have that just a bit back when I broke my toe on my OTHER foot - and used some soaks and OTC dog fungal treatment (the dog stuff works better, I swear), and cleared that up in a few days. It was just from wearing that rubber boot thing. Soon as I started airing out my foot it was fine. And again, that was the other foot. 

I just do not have ideal fungual conditions on my feet, given that they are always exposed to the air, I take a long hot bath with epsom salts/essential oils almost every night, haven't set foot in a gym in years, etc. This did start back pre pandemic I think, looking back..I do remember having a small white spot on that nail that I thought was an injury or from the pedicure woman smoothing/buffing too much. But I haven't had a pedicure in over 2 yrs now. 

[Katy]

Most of what a podiatrist does is treat toenails.  They are definitely the go-to expert, and it's important to test the nail to see if it's actually fungus OR if it's nail psoriasis. 

[sheryl]

"cutting out" as you mentioned "may not" resolve the problem area.   the root cause also should be addressed.   podiatrists help in many ways but they are not medical doctors; they have not been to traditional medical school.  what i'm saying is it "may" only be a temporary fix, katie.  otoh, you may come back and tell me in 5 years it's cleared up and stayed that way.   that would be great.  i'm simply giving you my opinion.  take it or not, i felt compelled to chime in.  i've simply cut mine back here and there as best i can.  THAT does help but for me it's not a permanent solution.  maybe you're different. idk.  when i keep them trimmed back and use my various products as recommended by my derm, then i see a slight improvement.  i've had this on a few nails for decades and got tired of seeing slow improvement.  but, now i'm trying because i'd like to get rid of the fungus.  it's very sloooooow.   my sister used ONLY tea tree oil successfully.  it took a while but she got there.  do what you feel comfortable doing.  

[sheryl]

1 hour ago, Katy said:

Most of what a podiatrist does is treat toenails.  They are definitely the go-to expert, and it's important to test the nail to see if it's actually fungus OR if it's nail psoriasis. 

I looked at 5 sites and did not find this to be the case

[Harriet Vane]

3 hours ago, ktgrok said:

I'm really not trying to argue, just trying to understand, lol. I love my derm, but I can't see them having the equipment to say, cut out part of a toenail, the way a podiatrist would. Before the nail got loose and ready to fall off I was actually planning on just asking my derm. And I totally trust a derm to prescribe meds for this. I just don't know that they have much experience dealing with partial nail loss, or full nail loss. So since a podiatrist does deal with that, on a routine basis, figured that was the best way to go. So if you think not, I was asking why specifically. 

Oddly no other sign of any kind of fungus - no athletes foot, itching, red skin, etc. I DID start to have that just a bit back when I broke my toe on my OTHER foot - and used some soaks and OTC dog fungal treatment (the dog stuff works better, I swear), and cleared that up in a few days. It was just from wearing that rubber boot thing. Soon as I started airing out my foot it was fine. And again, that was the other foot. 

I just do not have ideal fungual conditions on my feet, given that they are always exposed to the air, I take a long hot bath with epsom salts/essential oils almost every night, haven't set foot in a gym in years, etc. This did start back pre pandemic I think, looking back..I do remember having a small white spot on that nail that I thought was an injury or from the pedicure woman smoothing/buffing too much. But I haven't had a pedicure in over 2 yrs now. 

Dh’s main problem is in the toenails, though it did also spread from there. The vinegar soaks are the only thing that really seems to beat it back. He even took prescription pills for months that didn’t seem to do a whole lot. It takes months of soaks, but they seem to work.

[Eos]

We use gentian violet tincture for dh's recurring toe fungal issues and it keeps it nicely at bay.  We're fans of the stuff, but it's not always easy to find.  The color it turns your toes is pretty extreme.  Worth a try if you don't mind a purple foot.  Also consider freezing/boiling/buying lots of cheap new socks while you're doing any treatment, fungus can re-infect from being in the socks.

[ktgrok]

16 hours ago, sheryl said:

"cutting out" as you mentioned "may not" resolve the problem area.   the root cause also should be addressed.   podiatrists help in many ways but they are not medical doctors; they have not been to traditional medical school.  what i'm saying is it "may" only be a temporary fix, katie.  otoh, you may come back and tell me in 5 years it's cleared up and stayed that way.   that would be great.  i'm simply giving you my opinion.  take it or not, i felt compelled to chime in.  i've simply cut mine back here and there as best i can.  THAT does help but for me it's not a permanent solution.  maybe you're different. idk.  when i keep them trimmed back and use my various products as recommended by my derm, then i see a slight improvement.  i've had this on a few nails for decades and got tired of seeing slow improvement.  but, now i'm trying because i'd like to get rid of the fungus.  it's very sloooooow.   my sister used ONLY tea tree oil successfully.  it took a while but she got there.  do what you feel comfortable doing.  

Oh, I didn't think removing the toenail was a fix - that's what the medication is for. And from what I'm reading podiatrists prescirbe the same meds as a derm for this, there are oral and topical options, but both types of specialist prescribe those. I just know I'm likely to be dealing with a bare nail bed, and don't want an ingrown toenail as it grows back, and podiatrist seems to deal with that type of scenario and derms don't. This isn't about trimming back a bit - the whole nail is loose. 

that said, I made appointments with both! The first derm appointment wasn't until April 5th, but I see the podiatrist on the 28th. So will see podiatrist, then since I'm due for a skin check anyway I'll see derm and double check with them if they have anything else I can do. 

[Laura Corin]

I'm on the oral medication.  It has cleared most of the affected nails but my two little toes are intractable, so it will take a while.

[ktgrok]

3 minutes ago, Laura Corin said:

I'm on the oral medication.  It has cleared most of the affected nails but my two little toes are intractable, so it will take a while.

so weird how some respond better than others, I wonder why? I'm hoping that maybe big toes have more blood flow, so better chance of the meds getting there to work? 

It truly is just one toe. I do know I injure toes from time to time, have dropped things on them, etc...wonder if I damaged that nail and that is what allowed it to take root. 

I HAVe had cellulitis in the past - once bad enough for antibiotics, and more recently had what I thought might be the start of it...always after getting feet wet in standing water/dirty water while wearing shoes. I think I even posted on here about having to wash my shoes recently as they had gotten filthy outside so I left them by the back door, then they got rained on. They dried ,and without thinking I wore them for a few hours, and ended up with what felt like ingrown toenails starting. Treated with a hot epsom salt bath and antibiotic ointment, better the next day. A week later wore the shoes again, same thing happend. Realized the connection, washed in hot water with oxyclean, no more issues. Maybe that was fungus, not bacteria? But both times, it was the tissue next to the nail (both big toes) that got red and sore and hot, and other than those two days, nothing. 

This started as a white spot on the nail. That spread. then nail seemed more curved than other nails. Now suddenly seems very thick and loose - the escalation was VERY gradual over probably 2 years, then suddenly much worse. 

[shawthorne44]

1 hour ago, ktgrok said:

It truly is just one toe. I do know I injure toes from time to time, have dropped things on them, etc...wonder if I damaged that nail and that is what allowed it to take root. 

I know that this is my problem.   On both feet the toe next to the big toe has it and I got it right after dropping something on that toe.   Fortunately I've the problem for awhile and it hasn't spread.  

[ktgrok]

And I caught that toenail on the edge of a box and it hurt like heck and started bleeding all over. Sigh. Got a bandaid on it now so it doesn't get caught on something again. Appt with Podiatrist is monday. 

[shawthorne44]

I don't know if it will work, but I've bought this gizmo from Amazon that is supposed to Laser treat the fungus.    The reviews on Amazon says that it works but it takes a long time.   Although everyone seems to do more than one treatment simultaneously, so maybe it was the other ones that really worked.  It makes sense to throw everything you can at something like toenail fungus.  

[ktgrok]

2 hours ago, shawthorne44 said:

I don't know if it will work, but I've bought this gizmo from Amazon that is supposed to Laser treat the fungus.    The reviews on Amazon says that it works but it takes a long time.   Although everyone seems to do more than one treatment simultaneously, so maybe it was the other ones that really worked.  It makes sense to throw everything you can at something like toenail fungus.  

Well, at this point I need someone to figure out what to do with the nail itself - since it is loose like this it will keep catching on things, and MAN that hurt. And was way bloodier than I expected. Still hurts, actually. I'm guessing they may need to cut out the loose part of the nail 😞

[Starr]

My guess is that they will remove the nail and go from there. I hope it gets figured out soon!

[ktgrok]

Saw podiatrist. Got the nail removed. Not going to lie, them numbing it was one of the worst things ever. Ugh. First, they dumped on numbing liquid, which was freezing (in an already freezing office I'd been sitting in with bare feet for an hour), then burned. Then the injection, which was WAY worse than at the dentist. I had to be asked to "not scream" as there was a kid in the next room. Oops. 

Then, she was cleaning it, and when she bumped the nail it hurt, so they determined I needed ANOTHER round of numbing - and then I STILL felt part of the procedure! The doctor was reaching for the syringe of numbing stuff to inject more but I told her NO! Just pull it off, that hurts less than the injections do. She she did, and it was fine. She referenced my red hair, and said how that is the issue (which I knew) and how it was fascinating. I told her, that's not the word I'd use in the moment!

And it is of course wearing off in less than half the time they said it would. I TOLD the tech that did the numbing it would, but she didn't believe me. (doctor did). 

I also asked her to inject it slowly, with the idea that slow but less pain I could stay on top of and breathe through, but she said no, that would be torture, and did it fast. Ugh. 

In humorous news, my discharge paperwork says, "you had a minor in office surgical procedure today. Congratulations!" um...this is not a prize I won, lol. Too weird. 

I do have medical orders to stay off my feet with my foot elevated above my hips the rest of the day, so there is that at least. 

They will send the nail off for culture, and I go back in 2 weeks to see what grew, and discuss future care. She said if it is fungus we'll do a topical, guessing with the nail gone it makes topical the go to option. 

[Kassia]

Oh, that sounds awful!  I'm glad it's over now but what a terrible experience!

[shawthorne44]

30 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

so they determined I needed ANOTHER round of numbing - and then I STILL felt part of the procedure! The doctor was reaching for the syringe of numbing stuff to inject more but I told her NO! Just pull it off, that hurts less than the injections do. She she did, and it was fine. She referenced my red hair, and said how that is the issue (which I knew) and how it was fascinating. I told her, that's not the word I'd use in the moment!

Redheads Unite!   
I once had many stitches on my scalp without the numbing stuff.   They gave me the shots and then before they could start, it was gone.  I told them the same thing.  Had many fillings done without a shot too.  
We also can lift more weight.    Experienced people can look at someone and get a good estimate of what weight they will need.  For redheads they can do more.   Last I heard, that hasn't been proved, but then the aesthesia/pain thing wasn't proved until recently.   
 

Edited March 28, 2022 by shawthorne44

[ktgrok]

Just now, shawthorne44 said:

Redheads Unite!   
I once had many stitches on my scalp without the numbing stuff.   They gave me the shots and then it before they could start it was gone.  I told them the same thing.  Had many fillings done without a shot too.  
We also can lift more weight.    Experienced people can look at someone and get a good estimate of what weight they will need.  For redheads they can do more.   Last I heard, that hasn't been proved, but then the aesthesia/pain thing wasn't proved until recently.   
 

hmm..when I was working out people were impressed with how much I could lift! 

[Eos]

Sideways note: midwives have a thing about redheads = bleeders.  I don't know how it came about but just thought I'd leave it here. 

@ktgrokglad you were seen, I hope it gets simpler!

[ktgrok]

48 minutes ago, Eos said:

Sideways note: midwives have a thing about redheads = bleeders.  I don't know how it came about but just thought I'd leave it here. 

@ktgrokglad you were seen, I hope it gets simpler!

YES! My first midwife said that! She was really serious about me keeping my iron up (which was difficult, I get anemic in pregnancy) because of it. Thankfully, that sterotype does NOT hold true for me. I had very little bleeding with any of my births - that may be less about my clotting and more about my very powerful afterbirth pains - those things were killer. 

[Catwoman]

Wow, Katie — it sounds like your appointment was terrible! I mean, you knew they were going to remove the nail, but I’m sure you never expected the whole thing to be so painful! 😞 

I hope your recovery is quick and that your toe isn’t too sore! Definitely keep it elevated to help prevent swelling. 

[ktgrok]

3 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

Wow, Katie — it sounds like your appointment was terrible! I mean, you knew they were going to remove the nail, but I’m sure you never expected the whole thing to be so painful! 😞 

I hope your recovery is quick and that your toe isn’t too sore! Definitely keep it elevated to help prevent swelling. 

Thank you, I definitely underestimated what I was going into. I thought it would feel like when they numb you for stitches, or for dental stuff. It did not. It was ten times worse at least. Ugh. 

But it's over, and now I'm bored and want snacks, lol. 

[Catwoman]

2 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

Thank you, I definitely underestimated what I was going into. I thought it would feel like when they numb you for stitches, or for dental stuff. It did not. It was ten times worse at least. Ugh. 

But it's over, and now I'm bored and want snacks, lol. 

That’s what I would have imagined, too! I have heard that toe procedures are painful, but I never realized that they were THAT painful! 

Off to put some tea tree oil on my wonky toenail…

[ktgrok]

9 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

That’s what I would have imagined, too! I have heard that toe procedures are painful, but I never realized that they were THAT painful! 

Off to put some tea tree oil on my wonky toenail…

yeah, I am going to take MUCh better care of my toes and toenails from now on!!!

breaking my toe was better than this! Mostly because it was over faster, and I didn't have to do it twice in a row like the numbing, lol. 

[ktgrok]

So the testing did come back with fungus (had to run extra tests as the first one didn't show anything, additional stains did). They offered options of laser treatment at $450, or oral meds but those can cause liver issues, or topical from a compounding pharmacy. The topical is only about 50% effective, BUT because the nail was removed it may have a higher success rate for me, since it can be applied right at the nail bed. 

This is the topical they prescribed, it's compounded and being mailed to me from a different place, but seems to be the same stuff.  https://davisislandspharmacy.com/dermatology-compounding/itraconazole-ibuprofen-dmso-dmso-nail-solution/

[Catwoman]

I hope it works!!!

[Laura Corin]

@ktgrok just in case options change in the future:  my doctor happened to mention that although he does all the liver monitoring, he has never himself come across a case of damage with this med.

[ktgrok]

8 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

I hope it works!!!

Me too! If not, I'll do the laser, but didn't want to spend over $400 on it if this might work. I mean, my toe is going to look funny for a year no matter what, as the nail grows back, so I don't need a super quick fix. Might as well give the topical stuff a chance. Plus, I don't trust the laser not to hurt, lol. What I read said it is painless to most people...but those people have a nail. I don't. And this place just = hurt to me now. For my follow up she cleaned it with rubbing alcohol, saying "oh, this may burn" which of course it did. And alcohol is crap for killing germs anyway, why not chlorhexidine, or just plain saline if she was just needing to clear off the ointment? And then when she put more ointment on she pressed too hard with the swab and that hurt too. I would NEVER press like that to put ointment on someone's injury! 

My son, when I told him they must be sadists, said, "well, I mean, how weird do you have to be to want a career dealing with gross feet?" And that made me laugh at least. 

 

[ktgrok]

Update - prescription topical from doctor didn't see to really be working as nail starts to grow in. Out of desperation, I started using the veterinary antifungal wipes I have for my dog, and it's working! Not sure if it is because it is a wipe, so I can srub it on there really well, or just because different ingredients, but it's working. I also started using a product with urea to soften and thin out the little bit of nail that was left, that was thick and yucky. 

But anyway, the ketoconazole plus chlorhexidine wipes seem to work better than the prescription I had, lol. 

[Catwoman]

6 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

Update - prescription topical from doctor didn't see to really be working as nail starts to grow in. Out of desperation, I started using the veterinary antifungal wipes I have for my dog, and it's working! Not sure if it is because it is a wipe, so I can srub it on there really well, or just because different ingredients, but it's working. I also started using a product with urea to soften and thin out the little bit of nail that was left, that was thick and yucky. 

But anyway, the ketoconazole plus chlorhexidine wipes seem to work better than the prescription I had, lol. 

That’s such great news!!! Are the wipes something that can be ordered from Amazon?

[ktgrok]

11 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

That’s such great news!!! Are the wipes something that can be ordered from Amazon?

the brand I'm using isn't, but similar ones are on amazon. These have exactly the same active ingredients as the ones I had on hand. https://amzn.to/3xLcrWu

[Catwoman]

35 minutes ago, ktgrok said:

the brand I'm using isn't, but similar ones are on amazon. These have exactly the same active ingredients as the ones I had on hand. https://amzn.to/3xLcrWu

Thanks!!!

[ktgrok]

7 minutes ago, Catwoman said:

Thanks!!!

they also worked when I had a brief case of athletes foot, back when I was in the orthopedic shoe 24/7. At least, I think it was early athletes foot, skin was..weird...and was sloughing off easily in the bath. I bought OTC athletes foot spray first, which did nothing. Tried the wipes, worked right away. 

I think maybe, since most people don't use ketoconozole anymore, maybe the fungi around now are not as resistant to it? I think the only thing now that uses that ingredient that people use is Nizoral. Or maybe it is that the wipe is physically wiping some of the fungi away, I don't know. 

[Catwoman]

1 hour ago, ktgrok said:

they also worked when I had a brief case of athletes foot, back when I was in the orthopedic shoe 24/7. At least, I think it was early athletes foot, skin was..weird...and was sloughing off easily in the bath. I bought OTC athletes foot spray first, which did nothing. Tried the wipes, worked right away. 

I think maybe, since most people don't use ketoconozole anymore, maybe the fungi around now are not as resistant to it? I think the only thing now that uses that ingredient that people use is Nizoral. Or maybe it is that the wipe is physically wiping some of the fungi away, I don't know. 

It sounds like they are good to have around the house!