staceyobu Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I know I've seen threads on this before. My second grader cannot figure out that 11:35 is 25 till 12. Honestly, I can't think of another way to explain it. Can I just not worry about this and move on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momtoamiracle Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Personally I would move on. I know it seems crazy but I didn't get telling time until fifth grade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinE Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Move on. I'd practice that 12 comes after 11 so if it's 11:35, skip count by fives to 12:00 therefore 25 minutes to 12. Repeat. But I wouldn't sweat it if my child didn't grasp this concept immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmMusa Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 We just went through that chapter. It cracked me up a little b/c that method of telling seemed more European than American. DD was confused at why I would even say anything was X minutes till Y:00. She picked it up pretty quickly, but if it's too hard for your child to get it now try coming back to it in a month or two. In the meantime point out how there are always "minutes left" until the next hour. Start with 5 minutes or 1 minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forgiven Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 My 2nd grader had a hard time with that too. I couldn't understand how he didn't get it. LOL I'm just glad that we're past that section. ;) He seems to get everything else okay. He wines a bit, hates word problems--hates everything, actually. He hates school in general. LOL But at least I'm not pulling my hair out when it comes to math now. The week or so we spent on those time pages was horrible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boscopup Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 It will come up again in MM3. A lot of kids struggle with it in 2nd grade but do fine with it in 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Can I just not worry about this and move on? I'd just casually bring it up as a countdown type thing before an activity, for example, how long till noon, the cartoon is on at 5:00 and how long do you have to wait, how long till the cake is done cooking, and such. Some of it can just be you making a statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mermo Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 My son struggled a bit but did eventually get it, I would just randomly quiz him about how many minutes til during our day. I would move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Mine couldn't get it either. And I remember not being able to get it at any point that it was actually taught in school (I think it clicked while learning it in French in middle school). I'd just move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen in CO Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 (edited) My second grader can do it just fine, but I forgot to teach it to my now 6th grader. oops (it is one the many reason to NOT change math programs unless you absolutely have to). My older dd can't understand why you just don't SAY what time it actually is. She's all for digital clocks. I would move on as long as you stay with the same math program, it will come up again. :) It is also very helpful to work on skip counting by 5's forward and backward. Edited October 10, 2012 by Karen in CO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyP Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 My dd struggled with that too. I would move on. She got it w/o a problem in 3rd grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinchick Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Glad to hear we're not the only ones struggling with this! DD (second grade) and I just had a conversation about it last night. She was bemoaning that she hates telling time because it's hard, and said why can't we just use digital clocks. I said what about when she needs to read a watch? She said she'd get a digital watch. I told her they're ugly, and she said she'd just use sticky jewels to make it pretty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByGrace3 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 This thread is encouraging. We struggled through it but didn't feel dd really mastered it. When it came up later she did ok with it though. Glad to know it comes back up in MM 3. In that case, definitely move on. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaney Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I think that is a dated way of saying it anyway so I just get them to say "before" and it makes more sense. I love the way MM teaches clocks btw :) Plus does it make more sense to 20 til 12 than 11:40? 11:40 makes more sense to me because that is the actual time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuzi Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I had this *exact* frustration with DD last year. I ended up skipping it, and somehow by the end of the school year she'd picked up how to read a clock all by herself. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karen in CO Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 It is a dated way to tell time, but clock arithmetic has a lot more to do with arithmetic than it does time. The past and till will help later in elapsed time besides helping with addition and subtraction now. Clock arithmetic is also the very first introduction to base-60 math and the idea that the decimal system isn't the only way to count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheres Toto Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I'd just casually bring it up as a countdown type thing before an activity, for example, how long till noon, the cartoon is on at 5:00 and how long do you have to wait, how long till the cake is done cooking, and such. Some of it can just be you making a statement. :iagree: This is what worked best for ds to learn telling time. We put an analog clock up in the living room, initially with a digital clock next to it (when he was three he was fascinated with time) so he could compare them. Now we just have the analog clock and if he wants to know "how long until treat time?" I tell him to look and figure it out. He knows to count by 5's for each number so just counts backwards. I figure how much time is left is more important to know then a different way of saying the same thing, so that's how we approach it. A toy Judy clock has also helped both kids a lot in learning time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby Rose Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 We skipped it and will return later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnMomof7 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Yeah. I've poked myself in the eye on that one too....just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justLisa Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I did not use the clock section in 2. I just used a geared clock and we did it together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom2pandc Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 We are dealing with it for MM 3 this week. We are new to homeschooling. And I do not think my son has learned a thing through the teaching. Rather he's picked up things on his own and through games amazingly well. The school kept testing him at a fourth grade level in second grade. Only problem, there are some holes. Multiplication and some division, he's awesome. Clocks....sigh....not so much. I think after almost an hour of working on it today, he has it mastered. The smile today was far better than the tears yesterday. But he had to look at as fractions for the quarters and half of a clock and I divided the clock down the middle for after and "until" instead of "till". All in all, I'd say skip the book work now, move on, and use it in day to day things. By next year, it should be easier. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAmom Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 My dd struggled with that too. I would move on. She got it w/o a problem in 3rd grade. :iagree: We skipped it and she got it later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wabi Sabi Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 My 2nd grader can tell time just fine, but when we recently got to that particular section of MM it was torturous for everyone involved. He just couldn't seem to get it. I ended up only doing half of that chapter before deciding that it just didn't matter. We skipped ahead to the next chapter and will come back to it later...or maybe just wait until it comes up again next year in MM3, LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommysarah713 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 We just did that last week. Having a physical clock, such as Melissa and doug's, or a real clock is helpful. If my dd doesn't understand it, I give her a few days off and then print it off again and start over fresh on it. Blessings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMD Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I moved on! DD was breezing through everything else and got stumped for a while with time. We tried for a while, I cut up colour coded fraction over-lays, got a big poster etc. Drove.me.insane. :D She ended up purchasing a great watch with her birthday money, it has 'past', 'to', 'minute' written on the minute hand, 'hour' written on the hour hand, numbers for the hours and the minutes. She figured it out. I think she just needed to let the concept roll around in her head for a while before it sunk in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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