baby Lisa, missing MO baby

[5kidsforME]

Is there anything new on this case?

 

I feel like the whole thing has totally dropped off the news radar.

[6packofun]

Probably because the parents are not going to be doing anything with the media, no interviews, etc. :confused:

[Mimm]

I wonder if we'll ever know what happened to her. :(

[elegantlion]

My mom has been following. I had to stop, it was making me ill.

 

Apparently the parents have moved to an undisclosed location. :glare:

 

There is also some information on a woman who received a phone call from one of the "missing cell phones" on the night the baby went missing. She claims not to know why, that the call was random, she doesn't know these people. But apparently she was seen in the video footage of the crowd from the morning the baby disappeared. She lives nearby, but also claims she didn't know about the disappearance at that time.

 

I don't have a link, but my mother has been supplying reliable news stories for many years. :tongue_smilie:

 

So the whole thing is getting murkier, with the parents actions not endearing themselves to the police or the community.

 

Another twist I found interesting (again, story from MOM). A few years ago in KC there was a story of two missing kids. It ended up being the ex-husband who kidnapped and murdered the kids, but it took years for him to confesss and their bodies to be found. Apparently this mother offered to help the Irwin family early on. She wanted to show support and help with flies, other details, etc. Her help was refused by the family.

 

Again no links, and not necessarily indicitive of anything. If anyone has information contrary to what I listed, let me know.

[brett_ashley]

i found a link about the woman receiving the phone call. http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/01/3243023/new-local-lawyer-joins-team-helping.html

[AuntieM]

The smarmy New York based defense attorney representing the family parted ways with the family's lawyer here in KC (Mr. Big Shot is not licensed to practice in this state, so there must be a local liaison). Another local has been hired, he looks like Mr. Big Shot, Jr.

 

The children were scheduled to be interviewed by a child interrogation specialist last Friday, but the day before the interview the parents reneged; that's the same day the family moved to an "undisclosed" location. Their attorney says the interview will be rescheduled, but has not stated when.

 

Monday night the local news station showed footage of the boys out trick-r-treating. The parents said they are just trying to "maintain some normalcy" for the boys.

 

Like Paula said, there's a gal now who was on the receiving end of a call from one of the missing cell phones on the night of the baby's disappearance. However, I have not been able to figure out if that was the previously mentioned call made at 2:30am, or at some other time earlier in the evening.

 

This woman (who, incidentally, has a head full of hot pink hair), once dated the handyman-guy that was picked up for questioning in the last couple of days. He had apparently been hanging around the neighborhood in the days prior to Lisa's disappearance.

 

The police are saying NOTHING! They have been very close-mouthed since the family lawyered up.

 

Information floating around, even on the local TV news, is confusing at this point. I get the feeling the mom's story is still in flux, with details changing/being added daily.

 

I keep paying attention. I am hoping for a REALLY BIG SMACK DOWN of the guilty party(ies). Unfortunately, as Paula stated above, the weird behavior and uncooperative spirit of the parents have caused there to be very little public sympathy for them.

 

It is truly bizarre and sickening.

[MariannNOVA]

The smarmy New York based defense attorney representing the family parted ways with the family's lawyer here in KC (Mr. Big Shot is not licensed to practice in this state, so there must be a local liaison). Another local has been hired, he looks like Mr. Big Shot, Jr.

 

The children were scheduled to be interviewed by a child interrogation specialist last Friday, but the day before the interview the parents reneged; that's the same day the family moved to an "undisclosed" location. Their attorney says the interview will be rescheduled, but has not stated when.

 

Monday night the local news station showed footage of the boys out trick-r-treating. The parents said they are just trying to "maintain some normalcy" for the boys.

 

Like Paula said, there's a gal now who was on the receiving end of a call from one of the missing cell phones on the night of the baby's disappearance. However, I have not been able to figure out if that was the previously mentioned call made at 2:30am, or at some other time earlier in the evening.

 

This woman (who, incidentally, has a head full of hot pink hair), once dated the handyman-guy that was picked up for questioning in the last couple of days. He had apparently been hanging around the neighborhood in the days prior to Lisa's disappearance.

 

The police are saying NOTHING! They have been very close-mouthed since the family lawyered up.

 

Information floating around, even on the local TV news, is confusing at this point. I get the feeling the mom's story is still in flux, with details changing/being added daily.

 

I keep paying attention. I am hoping for a REALLY BIG SMACK DOWN of the guilty party(ies). Unfortunately, as Paula stated above, the weird behavior and uncooperative spirit of the parents have caused there to be very little public sympathy for them.

 

It is truly bizarre and sickening.

 

WOW...just WOW.

[BatmansWife]

i found a link about the woman receiving the phone call. http://www.kansascity.com/2011/11/01/3243023/new-local-lawyer-joins-team-helping.html

 

The second video clip was interesting. I was going to post about it...but I see AuntieM beat me to it. On the video the woman said she dated the homeless man for 5 months. They broke up just a few weeks before baby Lisa went missing. Then....she gets this phone call from the missing phone........ Hmmmmm......

[unsinkable]

And another weird thing I heard yesterday is that the neighbor woman who was at Baby Lisa's house that night drinking with Deborah...

 

Had just separated from her husband that day. Her husband left their home and went and spent the night elsewhere for the first time.

 

It is bizarre.

[5kidsforME]

I wonder if we'll ever know what happened to her. :(

 

 

The whole thing is bizzarre and I am starting to think we will never know until one of the boys grows up and ends up spilling what they know.

[LibraryLover]

I have not been following the case, except though what I read here. The question I am about to ask isn't meant to imply guilt--and I always thought the mother should get a lawyer-- but can people really do ordinary things like go Trick or Treating so soon after something so devastating happens? Maybe your little baby is dead? Or alive somewhere and all you can do is think about what could be happening?

 

I can imagine myself lawyered-up and begging for sedation. I can see myself asking someone to take my children on outings and to their activities so they would not have to listen to a wailing mother... but to T or Ting? even as I understand everyone has their own personal coping mechansims in the face of truama.

[i.love.lucy]

I have not been following the case, except though what I read here. The question I am about to ask isn't meant to imply guilt--and I always thought the mother should get a lawyer-- but can people really do ordinary things like go Trick or Treating so soon after something so devastating happens? Maybe your little baby is dead? Or alive somewhere and all you can do is think about what could be happening?

 

I can imagine myself lawyered-up and begging for sedation. I can see myself asking someone to take my children on outings and to their activities so they would not have to listen to a wailing mother... but to T or Ting? even as I understand everyone has their own personal coping mechansims in the face of truama.

:iagree:completely. I think I would be immobilized with grief.

[Mama2Many4]

I agree. I would not be able to function. My "baby" who is 3 years old is lying next to me right now. If she were ever taken or missing, I would not be celebrating anything with my boys. Whether it be Halloween, Christmas, Easter or birthdays. It wouldn't be happening until either she or her body was found. I would not be able to forget her and go celebrate something.

[Lolly]

I have not been following the case, except though what I read here. The question I am about to ask isn't meant to imply guilt--and I always thought the mother should get a lawyer-- but can people really do ordinary things like go Trick or Treating so soon after something so devastating happens? Maybe your little baby is dead? Or alive somewhere and all you can do is think about what could be happening?

 

I can imagine myself lawyered-up and begging for sedation. I can see myself asking someone to take my children on outings and to their activities so they would not have to listen to a wailing mother... but to T or Ting? even as I understand everyone has their own personal coping mechansims in the face of truama.

 

Yes, people can do ordinary things after a devastating event; especially when there are other children involved. Everyone I know who has experienced a close family loss has tried to keep the world fairly "normal" for their children.

[LidiyaDawn]

 

The children were scheduled to be interviewed by a child interrogation specialist last Friday, but the day before the interview the parents reneged;

 

I'm surprised that they could do that… aren't there any laws that would prevent them from "hiding" the kids - potential witnesses - or whatever?

[unsinkable]

I have not been following the case, except though what I read here. The question I am about to ask isn't meant to imply guilt--and I always thought the mother should get a lawyer-- but can people really do ordinary things like go Trick or Treating so soon after something so devastating happens? Maybe your little baby is dead? Or alive somewhere and all you can do is think about what could be happening?

 

I can imagine myself lawyered-up and begging for sedation. I can see myself asking someone to take my children on outings and to their activities so they would not have to listen to a wailing mother... but to T or Ting? even as I understand everyone has their own personal coping mechansims in the face of truama.

 

She has lawyers. One is the lawyer who was Joren VanderSloot's (sp?) lawyer. She had a KCMO lawyer who resigned over how the JVS lawyer was handling things/dealing with the media and LE.

[TXMomof4]

Yes, people can do ordinary things after a devastating event; especially when there are other children involved. Everyone I know who has experienced a close family loss has tried to keep the world fairly "normal" for their children.

 

:iagree: In fact, doing the "normal" things was the only thing that kept them from driving themselves crazy with grief.

[unsinkable]

I'm surprised that they could do that… aren't there any laws that would prevent them from "hiding" the kids - potential witnesses - or whatever?

 

I think: (not a lawyer):

 

If the boys are subpoenaed by a Grand Jury and the parents don't bring them/present them, then they can be charged with something.

[elegantlion]

I do think people can strive to do normal things after a tragedy, but...

 

Maybe I'm just paranoid anyway, but if I thought someone truly kidnapped my baby, no way would I allow my other children out in the dark to knock on stranger's doors. I would be terrified that whoever took my baby would come back to take my older children. It's Halloween, cars moving slowly behind children as they go door to door? That happened in our neighborhood, obviously it was the parents following their own children, but my mind would be working overtime and I'd have someone buy them a lot of candy to make up for it and we'd stay home behind closed doors.

 

As a young child I wouldn't want to be around strangers for a while, if my baby sister was kidnapped while I was sleeping.

 

So while normalcy might be good, I think that particular event would get crossed off the list.

 

Even in my reference frame I would have kept the kids home. With all the media attention and wanting to be sequestered away, I wouldn't to have the media follow my children around.

[Denisemomof4]

I have not been following the case, except though what I read here. The question I am about to ask isn't meant to imply guilt--and I always thought the mother should get a lawyer-- but can people really do ordinary things like go Trick or Treating so soon after something so devastating happens? Maybe your little baby is dead? Or alive somewhere and all you can do is think about what could be happening?

 

I can imagine myself lawyered-up and begging for sedation. I can see myself asking someone to take my children on outings and to their activities so they would not have to listen to a wailing mother... but to T or Ting? even as I understand everyone has their own personal coping mechansims in the face of truama.

 

a friend's husband died three weeks before T or T and her mother died that night. She knew the end was very near. My friend COULD NOT take her kids. She COULDN'T. But she wanted her kids to have a normal night. I took them.

 

I can see wanting to keep things normal for your remaining kids but I can't even begin to imagine how the parents could muster up the strength to do it themselves.

[Harriet Vane]

Yes, people can do ordinary things after a devastating event; especially when there are other children involved. Everyone I know who has experienced a close family loss has tried to keep the world fairly "normal" for their children.

 

:iagree:

 

Also, it's really not fair to judge a person's choices in their grief. It's so very, very dependent on personality and their personal history and context.

[Jennifer3141]

I do think people can strive to do normal things after a tragedy, but...

 

Maybe I'm just paranoid anyway, but if I thought someone truly kidnapped my baby, no way would I allow my other children out in the dark to knock on stranger's doors. I would be terrified that whoever took my baby would come back to take my older children. It's Halloween, cars moving slowly behind children as they go door to door? That happened in our neighborhood, obviously it was the parents following their own children, but my mind would be working overtime and I'd have someone buy them a lot of candy to make up for it and we'd stay home behind closed doors.

 

As a young child I wouldn't want to be around strangers for a while, if my baby sister was kidnapped while I was sleeping.

 

So while normalcy might be good, I think that particular event would get crossed off the list.

 

Even in my reference frame I would have kept the kids home. With all the media attention and wanting to be sequestered away, I wouldn't to have the media follow my children around.

 

 

ITA!! If your child was stolen from your home while you were in a drunken stupor, how could you EVER feel safe taking your other kids out on a fun but chaotic night like Halloween??? I think I'd be terrified.

[unsinkable]

:iagree:

 

Also, it's really not fair to judge a person's choices in their grief. It's so very, very dependent on personality and their personal history and context.

 

So a mom who is grieving her missing daughter by getting drunk, partying, and dancing in clubs should not be judged?

[unsinkable]

A bit more:

 

A crime has been committed. An eleven-month old baby is GONE. She is most likely dead.

 

We're not talking about a widow who laughs at her DH"S wake or a widower or starts dating 6 months after his wife dies a natural death.

 

We're talking about how the most likely suspect(s) are acting less than a month after their baby daughter VANISHED.

 

In natural circumstances, yeah, don't judge. When a crime has been committed, the "rules" are different, IMO.

[vonfirmath]

I have not been following the case, except though what I read here. The question I am about to ask isn't meant to imply guilt--and I always thought the mother should get a lawyer-- but can people really do ordinary things like go Trick or Treating so soon after something so devastating happens? Maybe your little baby is dead? Or alive somewhere and all you can do is think about what could be happening?

 

Yes. I know plenty of people who have found out their kid died right before Christmas, yet go on to celebrate Christmas anyway -- for the sake of the kids left. Life has to go on even when overwhelmed with grief. And sometimes it even helps.

 

I know too many people that died in the two weeks before Christmas.

[FaithManor]

:iagree:

 

Also, it's really not fair to judge a person's choices in their grief. It's so very, very dependent on personality and their personal history and context.

 

 

I agree. I'm a burier...I just stuff it down and deal with it completely in private, but to the rest of the world, I just keep going on like the energizer bunny. So, my personality would be likely to be the one everyone judged because I'd be working my fanny off to try to "normalize" life and keep plugging along. That's just who I am. If I get busy, I don't have to think about it. I generally let my subconscious work things out as much as possible and when I do fall apart, I don't like anyone to have a clue about it. Very private griever!

 

Faith

[unsinkable]

:banghead:

 

Let's not judge! No Judging! We're all different!

 

You hear that, KCPD! Leave the parents alone! Don't judge them. They're grieving their way.

 

/sarcasm over.

[LisaKinVA]

I agree. I'm a burier...I just stuff it down and deal with it completely in private, but to the rest of the world, I just keep going on like the energizer bunny. So, my personality would be likely to be the one everyone judged because I'd be working my fanny off to try to "normalize" life and keep plugging along. That's just who I am. If I get busy, I don't have to think about it. I generally let my subconscious work things out as much as possible and when I do fall apart, I don't like anyone to have a clue about it. Very private griever!

 

Faith

 

You've described me.

[Harriet Vane]

So a mom who is grieving her missing daughter by getting drunk, partying, and dancing in clubs should not be judged?

 

That behavior can have a variety of roots--pain and loss, addiction, or antisocial lack of emotion over the event (indicating mental illness), or a combination, to name a few. If I do not know the person in question, I don't think it fair to judge--I cannot possibly know what motivates a person and what is in their heart. While I might feel that those choices are unwise, I would not judge the motivations. Actually, I would be more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt and lean towards thinking that the drunkenness is a reaction to pain.

[unsinkable]

That behavior can have a variety of roots--pain and loss, addiction, or antisocial lack of emotion over the event (indicating mental illness), or a combination, to name a few. If I do not know the person in question, I don't think it fair to judge--I cannot possibly know what motivates a person and what is in their heart. While I might feel that those choices are unwise, I would not judge the motivations. Actually, I would be more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt and lean towards thinking that the drunkenness is a reaction to pain.

 

I think we are coming at this from different planets.

 

I am thinking of thess cases (Caylee Anthony and Baby Lisa) in terms of dignity and justice for the victims, not how to give the benefit of the doubt to the most likely perpetrators.