s/o I Thought All Alcohol Was....

[Georgiana Daniels]

Someone on the I Thought All Alcohol (Except Mike's) Was Nasty thread mentioned they like to drink but don't get drunk.

 

That got me to thinking, what do you all consider drunk? Obviously if someone is barfing and waking up with hangovers they are drunk, lol. But what's the difference between buzzed and drunk---I guess that is my question.

[poppy]

I like to drink but I don't like to get drunk either. Drunk to me is feeling out of control- like I might say something I wouldn't otherwise. I can feel pleasant but not at all drunk at about 45 min per drink with some water / food. So 2-3 drinks at a nice leisurely night out. (Dunno if that makes me ok to drive . I uber or rely on a friend to be safe).

 

Faster pace and empty stomach would make me unhappy. So I avoid that.

Edited June 6, 2016 by poppy

[Georgiana Daniels]

I like to drink but I don't like to get drunk either. Drunk to me is feeling out of control- like I might say something I wouldn't otherwise. I can feel pleasant but not at all drunk at about 45 min per drink with some water / food. So 2-3 drinks at a nice leisurely night out. (Dunno if that makes me ok to drive . I uber or rely on a friend to be safe).

 

Faster pace and empty stomach would make me unhappy. So I avoid that.

 

We Uber too! We don't take chances even with a few drinks. So not worth it.

 

[goldberry]

One drink pretty much relaxes me and makes me a bit more talkative.  Two drinks I would consider myself buzzed, which to me is when I would start being a little goofy, thinking things are funny or laughing at things I wouldn't normally laugh at.  Three drinks I would consider myself drunk, which to me is when I might say things that are inappropriate, I might be a little dizzy on stairs or uncoordinated, I might be disoriented and not remember clearly what we're supposed to be doing, or my purse or phone, etc.  

 

I usually only have one drink in public ever.  Occasionally at home or at a friend's house I might have two.  More than that falls into drunkenness for me, which I avoid at all times.

 

I don't think you have to be falling down or puking to be drunk.  It is more when you don't have control of your actions and speech.

 

ETA, actually the last time I even had two drinks was on an anniversary weekend when DD was at a friends.  I don't want to get "buzzed" around DD as I don't feel it's appropriate at her age to be around a parent like that.

Edited June 6, 2016 by goldberry

[luuknam]

One drink pretty much relaxes me and makes me a bit more talkative.  Two drinks I would consider myself buzzed, which to me is when I would start being a little goofy, thinking things are funny or laughing at things I wouldn't normally laugh at.  Three drinks I would consider myself drunk, which to me is when I might say things that are inappropriate, I might be a little dizzy on stairs or uncoordinated, I might be disoriented and not remember clearly what we're supposed to be doing, or my purse or phone, etc. 

 

I don't think you have to be falling down or puking to be drunk.  It is more when you don't have control of your actions and speech.

 

Something like that, except I think drink 5 is on the border of drunk (before getting on meds I'm not supposed to drink on - now any drink counts double). That said, I've had a couple of drinks at restaurants that were so big that they really counted like 2-3 drinks each.

[Georgiana Daniels]

One drink pretty much relaxes me and makes me a bit more talkative.  Two drinks I would consider myself buzzed, which to me is when I would start being a little goofy, thinking things are funny or laughing at things I wouldn't normally laugh at.  Three drinks I would consider myself drunk, which to me is when I might say things that are inappropriate, I might be a little dizzy on stairs or uncoordinated, I might be disoriented and not remember clearly what we're supposed to be doing, or my purse or phone, etc.  

 

I usually only have one drink in public ever.  Occasionally at home or at a friend's house I might have two.  More than that falls into drunkenness for me, which I avoid at all times.

 

I don't think you have to be falling down or puking to be drunk.  It is more when you don't have control of your actions and speech.

 

ETA, actually the last time I even had two drinks was on an anniversary weekend when DD was at a friends.  I don't want to get "buzzed" around DD as I don't feel it's appropriate at her age to be around a parent like that.

 

Pretty good definition! Saying things that are inappropriate and being a little disoriented.

[goldberry]

Once inhibitions are lowered. 

 

I dunno.  After one drink I talk a little bit more and don't feel as anxious in a group.  Would that mean I'm drunk after one drink?  I'm still fully in control of my speech and behavior, but I would say my social inhibitions are lowered.

[Tita Gidge]

 

I don't think you have to be falling down or puking to be drunk.  It is more when you don't have control of your actions and speech.

 

I think this is the perfect definition for it.

[Guest]

I like to drink but I don't like to get drunk either. Drunk to me is feeling out of control- like I might say something I wouldn't otherwise. I can feel pleasant but not at all drunk at about 45 min per drink with some water / food. So 2-3 drinks at a nice leisurely night out. (Dunno if that makes me ok to drive . I uber or rely on a friend to be safe).

 

Faster pace and empty stomach would make me unhappy. So I avoid that.

Pretty much me exactly. I don't drink anything fast and my drink choices are baby girl drinks, so I haven't been noticeably drunk in probably a couple decades. I have no interest in acting like an idiot; I'm uber-aware that my teens are observing me; I ain't got time for hangovers. Also, DH drinks more than I do if we are out, so I am de facto driver.

 

ETA: I feel I should expand on that last statement. If DH and I go out to dinner, he drinks alcohol, I drink tea or water. I am always driving and I can't wait around for my own drink to die down, so I just have tea or water. If we are going together to a friend's house or something where we will be there for hours, I will have one or two drinks, but with food and early on. I will not be drinking alcohol for a few hours before we leave.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Quill

[poppy]

Once inhibitions are lowered. As a non-drinker, how drunk someone feels and how drunk they appear to someone who is sober, are often two wildly different things.

 

As a non-drinker, it's generally unpleasant to be around people who've had more than one or two standard drinks, no matter how much they boast they can handle.

Wow harsh! I always get a kick out of events like weddings when people who don't normally drink have a few. But in the same proportion as sober life. Not everyone for sure.

[goldberry]

You'd be affected by alcohol. Idk. Part of the problem with alcohol is that people have this idea you have to be vomiting and falling over yourself to be alcohol affected. I guess I question use of the word 'drunk' as a useful term in the first place.

 

 

 

But I think you can be affected without losing control.  I don't think drunk applies to just being affected.  Coffee affects us, just in a different way.  But we still have control of ourselves and of most normal situations.  

[Georgiana Daniels]

You'd be affected by alcohol. Idk. Part of the problem with alcohol is that people have this idea you have to be vomiting and falling over yourself to be alcohol affected. I guess I question use of the word 'drunk' as a useful term in the first place.

 

I feel the same way as you do after one or two drinks. I'm not saying someone who drinks one or two drinks in a social setting is an alcoholic or something.

 

But yeah, when the person with you is sober, you look more affected than you probably feel.

That's why I asked....I don't fin the term "drunk" useful either. So when someone says they never get drunk, I just wonder what that means.

 

To me, other than the obvious sick/hungover, drunk is if I were to behave out of character for myself.

[Guest]

That's why I asked....I don't fin the term "drunk" useful either. So when someone says they never get drunk, I just wonder what that means.

 

To me, other than the obvious sick/hungover, drunk is if I were to behave out of character for myself.

Yeah, I'm sure it means different things to different people. Two of my SIL's will drink a substantial amount of girl drinks; they think they are "loosened up," but I think they act like idiots. One has this cackling laughter that is seriously hard to abide when I'm sober and she's...not as sober. ;) I am sure she would not say, "I was so drunk last night!" But I am an uptight serious person and I have a pretty solid goal to never be seen behaving like that.

 

I don't think other people admire that goal in general, though.

[Georgiana Daniels]

Yeah, I'm sure it means different things to different people. Two of my SIL's will drink a substantial amount of girl drinks; they think they are "loosened up," but I think they act like idiots. One has this cackling laughter that is seriously hard to abide when I'm sober and she's...not as sober. ;) I am sure she would not say, "I was so drunk last night!" But I am an uptight serious person and I have a pretty solid goal to never be seen behaving like that.

 

I don't think other people admire that goal in general, though.

 

I think there are plenty of people who admire that goal!

[Ausmumof3]

Once inhibitions are lowered. As a non-drinker, how drunk someone feels and how drunk they appear to someone who is sober, are often two wildly different things.

 

As a non-drinker, it's generally unpleasant to be around people who've had more than one or two standard drinks, no matter how much they boast they can handle.

My number one reason for hating/detesting the office Christmas party. People say and do dumb stuff and the carryover goes on for the next couple of months. It's hard to look at people the same way after seeing them in a certain way.

 

One glass is nice, a second glass makes me slightly giggly and I'm not game to find out beyond that.

[nd293]

I don't drink in public ever. I had a really lovely, sensible friend greet my husband and I once (at her birthday party) and her demeanour was so ridiculously flirty that it cured me of drinking in public permanently. She wasn't what I would call "drunk" but she was ... laughable, I guess, and I would hate to be thought of as that. I suppose I associate "drunk" with obnoxious behaviour, but perhaps she would also be in the "drunk" category if her behaviour was obviously altered?

 

But at home - 1 drink relaxes me, gives me a headache and makes me eat crazily, 2 makes me red-faced, a bit silly and sleepy. I never get to three. I can only imagine the headache (I'm headache prone anyway).

[nd293]

As a non-drinker, it's generally unpleasant to be around people who've had more than one or two standard drinks, no matter how much they boast they can handle.

This has had a definite effect on our social life as a couple. When I met dh we socialised a lot with his friends where drinking (in the 3-5 range?) was common. It was always miserable for me - the only people who think drunk people are fun are drunk people. But after I had kids I became much less willing to tolerate it, and we've become a couple who tend to socialise less or separately. While I'm much happier I'm not sure it's healthy overall. I also tend to skip evening functions with friends in favour of lunch time or 'coffee' functions as there is less of a tendency to drink and I find the company better.

[luuknam]

To me, other than the obvious sick/hungover, drunk is if I were to behave out of character for myself.

 

My problem with that is that I sometimes behave way out of character for myself while sober, and have, in fact been accused of being drunk more than once while having had zero alcohol. That's more likely to be the case when there is a significant number of people around who have been drinking - I guess I feel that if everyone around me is drunk, it's safe to lose my social or w/e inhibitions and dance on the table or w/e. I'm probably weird, but that's how I am.

[luuknam]

the only people who think drunk people are fun are drunk people.

 

Nope. See above. Drunk (not the vomiting kind) people can be fun because you can act like a fool around them and have people simply think you're drunk too.

[poppy]

People having drinks DO sound like they are having a good time compared to some people in this thread! Which is ok, of course , different strokes. And I know people are probably talking about unusual circumstances or one- off occasions here.

 

But someone on the other thread said they can't imagine why women would ever drink. The answer might just be 'so I can have an enjoyable evening'. No one *has* to drink to have a good time - or at all - of course. But I for one would rather laugh than risk being seen laughing too much.

[Guest]

I've been slightly tipsy twice in my life. Never drunk. To me the barrier is when motor function and response time are impaired to a noticeable degree.

Edited June 7, 2016 by Arctic Mama

[SKL]

I don't believe I've ever been drunk, but other people are drunk when they start making fools of themselves.  :P

[Janeway]

Buzzed is drunk. If it affects your behavior, thoughts, and/or perceptions, you are drunk. If you are "buzzed," then your perceptions are affected. Your ability to react and everything else is altered.

[Janeway]

Once inhibitions are lowered. As a non-drinker, how drunk someone feels and how drunk they appear to someone who is sober, are often two wildly different things.

 

As a non-drinker, it's generally unpleasant to be around people who've had more than one or two standard drinks, no matter how much they boast they can handle.

I agree.

[Pen]

I dunno. I can lower my social inhibitions by pretending to drink... like just a glass of water with a an orange wedge and cute umbrella swizzle, or lemon wedge and olive, or some such... I learned to do that in acting classes where I sometimes had to pretend to be drinking, but not drink for real. And then I really do still have control if I want or need it.

 

I think most people who drink alcohol for real are affected by it--judgement, timing... even if they do not know they are, or feel like they are.

 

 

[Guest]

One of my favorite joke-party games was conjugating verbs and declining nouns.  

 

Things like this:  

I am firm, you are stubborn, he is a pig-headed fool.

 

The appropriate one for this thread is this:

 

I am glowing, you are tipsy, he's three sheets to the wind.

 

[VaKim]

I think I may have been "drunk" for the first time the other night when I had that gin and made that post. I generally cannot stand the taste of alcohol, but like to have just enough to help me relax and prepare for my weekly TEA (yep, that kind, lol). Last week, though, I really felt miserable instead of relaxed and "buzzed." I kept wondering how in the world anybody could feel like that and think they could drive! Maybe you have to get beyond that point, I guess. I have no interest in doing so, however.

 

Thankfully, I didn't get a hangover or anything. My body generally processes things pretty fast, including pain meds, which means they never lasted long enough when I was on them. 

[Georgiana Daniels]

I think I may have been "drunk" for the first time the other night when I had that gin and made that post. I generally cannot stand the taste of alcohol, but like to have just enough to help me relax and prepare for my weekly TEA (yep, that kind, lol). Last week, though, I really felt miserable instead of relaxed and "buzzed." I kept wondering how in the world anybody could feel like that and think they could drive! Maybe you have to get beyond that point, I guess. I have no interest in doing so, however.

 

Thankfully, I didn't get a hangover or anything. My body generally processes things pretty fast, including pain meds, which means they never lasted long enough when I was on them. 

 

My body does too---I was having a medical procedure and they had a hard time knocking me out.

[Guest]

I think I may have been "drunk" for the first time the other night when I had that gin and made that post. I generally cannot stand the taste of alcohol, but like to have just enough to help me relax and prepare for my weekly TEA (yep, that kind, lol). Last week, though, I really felt miserable instead of relaxed and "buzzed." I kept wondering how in the world anybody could feel like that and think they could drive! Maybe you have to get beyond that point, I guess. I have no interest in doing so, however.

 

Thankfully, I didn't get a hangover or anything. My body generally processes things pretty fast, including pain meds, which means they never lasted long enough when I was on them. 

 

Just so you know...a LOT of people have a really bad reaction to gin.  People who can drink Everclear (to be a bit hyperbolic) still have a bad reaction to gin.  It is not just the alcohol--the juniper berries from which it is made are highly allergenic.  When you add the allergy to the alcohol, you can get a really weird reaction on gin that you would not on any other alcohol.  

 

Just so you know.  You never have to drink again, as far as that goes, and you can live a normal happy life.  (:::smiling:::)  I just thought you might like to know that about gin.  

[VaKim]

Just so you know...a LOT of people have a really bad reaction to gin.  People who can drink Everclear (to be a bit hyperbolic) still have a bad reaction to gin.  It is not just the alcohol--the juniper berries from which it is made are highly allergenic.  When you add the allergy to the alcohol, you can get a really weird reaction on gin that you would not on any other alcohol.  

 

Just so you know.  You never have to drink again, as far as that goes, and you can live a normal happy life.  (:::smiling:: :)  I just thought you might like to know that about gin.  

Interesting! I did not know that about gin.

 

I only have a drink once a week, like I said. It is absolutely the only way I can even be interested in TEA and relaxed enough to not be thinking about everything else in the world meanwhile. DH appreciates it, lol. I'll just stick to vodka from now on. It is very polite and predictable. :-)

[Georgiana Daniels]

LOL....so I just thought of a follow-up question....

 

Everyone who said they enjoy 1 or 2 drinks (whatever)...are you meaning 1 or 2 mixed drinks with hard alcohol in them, or 1 or 2 beers? I think that makes a difference too.

 

Sheesh...I'm kinda nosy.

[poppy]

It's not about people laughing, for me.

 

But feel free to characterize those of us who aren't fans of alcohol as killjoys. We're pretty used to it.

Not a killjoy - doesn't really impact me at all . I think it's fine to have a sour reaction to people who are drinking (of course ). But both this thread and the one it's spun off from have a 'why would anyone ever drink?' vibe . And since the answer isn't obvious to all, I provided an explanation. I think it's fair to say that the reason people drink socially is to have a nice time.

[poppy]

LOL....so I just thought of a follow-up question....

 

Everyone who said they enjoy 1 or 2 drinks (whatever)...are you meaning 1 or 2 mixed drinks with hard alcohol in them, or 1 or 2 beers? I think that makes a difference too.

 

Sheesh...I'm kinda nosy.

I do not think there is a difference in alcohol content . Though some people drink one or the other faster.

[Tita Gidge]

Okay, well I'm a lush. Social drinking is very much a part of my Asian and family cultures. I married a man whose family makes moonshine and greets you at the door with a shot strong enough to put hair on your chest. I had to stop visiting whenever I was pregnant because they consider that all the more reason to cheer and never understood why I'd pass.  Sadie, I'm now in the US and drinking is extremely normalized here.

 

I drink most days or nights. I like a shot of whiskey in my tea in the evenings. I also add lemon, honey, cloves, and I call it my medicine :lol: I'm convinced it keeps the germs at bay. Plus it tastes good and it relaxes me. Usually in February, for most of February, I add a shot of whiskey to a glass of soda and sip on it throughout the afternoon. It keeps me from maiming or eating the children during that dreary, hard homeschool slump. I drink at meals with friends, if they are. I live in the Bible Belt, so some do but many do not. I don't drink in front of them, in deference to their religious beliefs. I don't need to drink, I just like to. Same goes for soda and chocolate.

 

When I consider buzzed versus drunk I imagine a scale:

 

Buzzed = you're not 100% control, but you're still more in control than not - as judged by others.

 

Drunk = the alcohol has more control than you do - going by the judgment of others.

Edited June 7, 2016 by Tita Gidge

[Georgiana Daniels]

I do not think there is a difference in alcohol content . Though some people drink one or the other faster.

Not a difference in alcohol content between a beer and what's in a mixed drink?

[Georgiana Daniels]

Okay, well I'm a lush. Social drinking is very much a part of my Asian and family cultures. I married a man whose family makes moonshine and greets you at the door with a shot strong enough to put hair on your chest. I had to stop visiting whenever I was pregnant because they consider that all the more reason to cheer and never understood why I'd pass.  Sadie, I'm now in the US and drinking is extremely normalized here.

 

I drink most days or nights. I like a shot of whiskey in my tea in the evenings. I also add lemon, honey, cloves, and I call it my medicine :lol: I'm convinced it keeps the germs at bay. Plus it tastes good and it relaxes me. Usually in February, for most of February, I add a shot of whiskey to a glass of soda and sip on it throughout the afternoon. It keeps me from maiming or eating the children during that dreary, hard homeschool slump. I drink at meals with friends, if they are. I live in the Bible Belt, so some do but many do not. I don't drink in front of them, in deference to their religious beliefs. I don't need to drink, I just like to. Same goes for soda and chocolate.

 

When I consider buzzed versus drunk I imagine a scale:

 

Buzzed = you're not 100% control, but you're still more in control than not - as judged by others.

 

Drunk = the alcohol has more control than you do - going by the judgment of others.

 

LOL, I love your honesty!

 

As to the bolded...I kinda wonder that myself. Makes sense to me!

 

[Tita Gidge]

 

As to the bolded...I kinda wonder that myself. Makes sense to me!

 

 

You know, it was an old Irish nun who told my grandmother so, and how to make it.  

 

My grandmother had a cup every night when I was growing up. She'd sit on the lanai, sip and stare out at the fields. We were allowed to sit with her if we didn't move or speak. Or breathe loudly LOL.

 

She's 94, still driving to church every day and serving meals at the homeless shelter on Sundays. I figure it can't hurt to try and to hope that's part of their secret!

[kitten18]

Not a difference in alcohol content between a beer and what's in a mixed drink?

There shouldn't be much. A shot of liquor (the standard amount used in a mixed drink) should have about the same alcohol content as a beer* or a glass of wine.

 

 

 

***some beer has a higher alcohol content, I like IPAs but I can't have more than 2 because the alcohol percentage is higher and they will give me a hangover.

[jeremmy]

I consider buzzed that relaxed feeling you get when you have 1 or 2 drinks. Your muscles sort of release their tension and you just feel comfortable. I am normally a bit more talkative (compared to my normal quietness) and am more willing to just chill and hang out rather than feeling like I have to be running around doing something. I consider drunk when you are impaired. I try to be conservative in my standards since I like to have alcohol pretty infrequently and don't feel like normalizing it for myself.

I normally have mixed drinks. A shot of liquor mixed with a glass of juice or something light like that. Or maybe a standard fruity drink at a restaurant.

Edited June 7, 2016 by jeremmy

[theelfqueen]

While the alcohol content of different beverages varies (most beers are 4-7% but craft beers can be stronger, most wines are 12-15%, hard liquors around 40% )...  the serving sizes are different -- a typical beer is about 12 oz, a glass of wine is 5 oz, a mixed drink has 1/2 oz or so of hard liquor... so the amount of ALCOHOL in the drinks is about the same. (.6 oz of pure alcohol is considered a 'serving') If I drink 1 oz of beer, 1 oz of wine and 1 oz of Vodka -- that's going to impact differently but a 'glass' is a different matter.

 

[elegantlion]

My circle of friends right after high school drank a lot. We would drink to excess at least twice a month, generally at someone's apartment or house. That was drunk. 

 

In a varied social setting where I want to keep my wits about me, I can now handle about two glasses of wine sipped over a couple of hours. That gives me a buzz but does not cross the link into drunkenness for me. Three breaks down the inhibitions too much and it's kind of the point where I start having a weird internal dialogue, like "Oh there is the wall, don't walk into the wall."

 

I do not drink alcohol when I am driving.

 

Alcoholism runs in my family. My parents never drank when I was a kid because they consciously did not want us around alcohol. As an older teen, I found ways around their rules.

 

I had no model of the balance between a drink or two to relax and being drunk. It took me a few years to figure out that threshold for *me*.  When I have a choice, I prefer wine spritzers or wine coolers (last time I was at a bar they didn't have those anymore :( ). I dilute my wine at home. I can't stand beer and hard alcohol is not my favorite either unless it's mixed with something else. 

[ondreeuh]

But at home - 1 drink relaxes me, gives me a headache and makes me eat crazily, 2 makes me red-faced, a bit silly and sleepy. I never get to three. I can only imagine the headache (I'm headache prone anyway).

 

Same here!

 

1 drink makes me relaxed enough that I don't want to do anything that requires concentration, and sometimes gives me a mild headache especially if I have an empty stomach.

 

2 drinks makes me sleepy and headachy. If I've had beer, I get really bloated, and if I've had wine, I get terrible reflux. It's not a fun experience, really!

 

A while ago dh and I rented a cabin for the night and I had too much wine on an empty stomach. What should have been a fun getaway turned out to be him watching TV while I was sick, dealing with vertigo, and trying to sleep it off. Then he went to bed at 3 and I got up, and I ate the danish that was supposed to be our breakfast (he still reminds me of that). I'm too old for getting tipsy, I guess.

[ondreeuh]

the only people who think drunk people are fun are drunk people.

 

I agree with this :). Ok, a little story .... many years ago my dh got back from a deployment and there was a "welcome home" catered dinner with free booze and free hotel rooms. We sat at a table with his soldier buddies and their wives/girlfriends. We were enjoying the open bar ... I mean, really enjoying it. I spent so much time laughing and chatting with my new best friend, "Sue!" I mean, we had SO much in common, understood each other perfectly, and had the best time!

 

A couple of weeks later, her family invited our family over to their house for a cookout. I was really looking forward to seeing my new best friend! Um .... no. We didn't get along at all in person. Her mannerisms were like nails on a chalkboard - she interrupted constantly, bragged on her kids incessantly, and had values that did NOT mesh with mine. I guess I'd been wearing my own beer goggles that night.

 

[poppy]

I don't have a sour reaction. You are using some very defensive language in this thread.

 

I don't even have a question about why people drink. I know the many reasons people drink, many of them perfectly benign.

 

My sole point is that people who are drinking more than one or two drinks (which is pretty much the safe limit for women anyway) aren't very good judges of just how drunk they are.

I really wasn't replying to you personally in 'explaining drinking'. I know I don't need to explain drinking to an Australian, even a teetotaling Australian. (You are Australian, right?). Mostly I was thinking of the branch of my own family where women never ever drink and men either never drink or binge drink with alarming frequency .,Growing up I expected to be a never-drinker. I wondered 'why would anyone do an activity that kills brain cells on purpose ??' And I see that part of myself in posters in this and the other thread. Was trying to show a moderate view: drinking a little can be fun. Edited June 8, 2016 by poppy

[8circles]

It's not harsh. Just for me, personally, it isn't all that fun being around people who are alcohol affected.

 

I'm not actually a fan of the way alcohol consumption is normalized in my own country. Maybe it's different in the US. 

 

I agree with you (out of likes).  I haven't been actually drunk in a couple of decades.  I enjoy a drink here & there and I really do enjoy it.  But I don't enjoy being around drunk people.  I don't feel like it's *real* & I feel uncomfortable.  Maybe that doesn't make sense. IDK.

 

I don't know about aus but I absolutely hate the way alcohol consumption is normalized here.  I live in one of the drunkest states - if not *the* drunkest.  ETA: Correction, not the drunkest state, just 7/10 of the drunkest cities. lol http://vinepair.com/booze-news/7-of-the-10-drunkest-cities-in-america-are-all-in-one-state/

Edited June 8, 2016 by 8circles