Who do you think will win the election?

[GreenKitty]

Cindy,

Did you see this one? I like what Biden says here even better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3VBAbqjhvA&feature=relatedBiden interview

Melissa

 

Thanks for that link.

 

McCain will win:)

[Haiku]

However, God is in control, and that encourages me!

 

I have a question that is a sincere question. If God is in control but your candidate loses, what does that mean to you?

 

Tara

[Jugglin'5]

I have a question that is a sincere question. If God is in control but your candidate loses, what does that mean to you?

 

Tara

 

Well, to me it means that even if my candidate loses, God has a plan and a reason, and he is not up there wringing His hands going, "Oh, no, what do I do now?" If Obama wins, it is because God put him there, and He has his own reasons that I may not understand since I can't see or plan the future. That doesn't say anythng about whether or not God approves of a particular leader (not trying to pick on Obama here). It just means that he is part of the plan like Caesar, Pilate, or Judas Iscariot. Nothing they did caught God by surprise.God also raised up George Washington, so I'm not saying it is all bad. I can have comfort in whatever He does, knowing that He is planning it for the my ultimate good, and the ultimate good of His people.

[kokotg]

 

They'll also tax the rich, right? Isn't it ironic that Obama is rich and he's going to tax himself?

 

I don't find it ironic at all. If everyone voted solely based on economic self-interest, after all, Democrats would win in a landslide every year and the party would embrace its populist roots a lot more openly than it does now. Republicans traditionally (at least in the past 60 years or so) win by turning the focus away from economics (see: The Southern Strategy). Most of the time they don't actually SAY that that's what they're doing, like McCain's campaign has, though.

[Doran]

McCain had a chance before he picked Palin. It was really sad watching him in the debate last night. I used to really like that man at one time. I think at one time he could have stood up to his handlers and made some positive changes in America.

 

I am not counting anything out though. Bush's people fixed an election and many of those same people are working for McCain.

 

 

:iagree:

 

(I so seldom use that little sign holding dude that I get a chuckle from every opportunity to do so!)

[astrid]

In the documentary I saw (Hacking Democracy), the chips in the computerized voting machines were hackable by an outsider. Also, the machines could be altered to register the wrong vote (i.e. you vote Obama, but the computer tabulates a vote for McCain).

 

The chips for these machines were prone to interception and tampering. It had nothing to do at all with the poll workers themselves, IIRC.

 

 

I didn't see the video, but I honestly don't know how that could happen with the machines we use. The "memory cards" are programmed to read "yes" or "no." The voter fills in the little bubble in front of their choice of candidate and the machine scans it. The machines are only plugged into wall electrical sockets, not any sort of network or internet. The cards are always stored in the machine. The machines are locked. Furthermore, before we set up for an election or budget referendum, both registrars, plus the moderator test the machine by voting with a 'test stack" of ballots that we make up, then print out the tally and compare it to the test stack. There is literally no room for any sort of error or hacking. The machines we use are the ones used in the majority of states. If I wanted to skew the election I wouldn't even know how to begin, and I"ve had all the training. I just don't think it's possible.

 

astrid

[astrid]

:iagree: And infallible computerized voting will save us all... :rolleyes:

 

Sigh. Just sigh.

 

Just want to note here that the computerized voting of 2008 is WAAAAAY different than the computerized voting of 2000 and 2004. Simply because of 2000 and 2004. Whole system has been revamped.

 

astrid

[Marie in Oh]

and neither candidate is worthy of my vote. They are both dismal. I am saddened and ashamed that these 2 are the "cream of America's political crop." There is no real difference--the outcome will be the same . The economy will not improve no matter who get's elected. They will both spend, spend, spend; just on different things. There is no restraint, no sacrificial, do without mentality in this country anymore, and the government leads the way. It is beyond my fathomable imagination that, after watching the performances, and that is what they were, in the last 3 debates, that I could, in good conscience, vote for either candidate. It is depressing to say the least.

[jojomojo]

I didn't see the video, but I honestly don't know how that could happen with the machines we use. The "memory cards" are programmed to read "yes" or "no." The voter fills in the little bubble in front of their choice of candidate and the machine scans it. The machines are only plugged into wall electrical sockets, not any sort of network or internet. The cards are always stored in the machine. The machines are locked. Furthermore, before we set up for an election or budget referendum, both registrars, plus the moderator test the machine by voting with a 'test stack" of ballots that we make up, then print out the tally and compare it to the test stack. There is literally no room for any sort of error or hacking. The machines we use are the ones used in the majority of states. If I wanted to skew the election I wouldn't even know how to begin, and I"ve had all the training. I just don't think it's possible.

 

astrid

 

I don't mean to sound all conspiracy theorist on you lol but there is software that can simply flip the results to read 51 to 49, for a particular candidate. There was a video on youtube of a software programmer testifying to this, saying he was hired to create such a program. He said that it is not detectable at all. In the case of using a test stack, a program used to rig the results could be programmed to not kick in until voting actually start.

 

So, its still possible......you never know who had access to the machine or how corrupt the manufacturer may be...

[Mama Lynx]

Dh thinks the best of all possible outcomes is that there are opposite parties in power in the Congress and the White House. He insists that it doesn't matter which is where, as long as one is a watchdog for the other. His view is that trouble always happens when too much power is concentrated in one party.

 

I find that viewpoint interesting. Not sure how it bears out in reality, but I do find it worth thinking about.

 

I heartily agree with your DH, to the point where if it looks like a Republican is most likely going to win the White House, I vote for Dems for everything else.

 

One party in control of the Presidency and Congress is a bad idea.

[CLHCO]

McCain has crooked people on his side, Obama has them on his side. What we get to sit down and watch is whose crooked people have the most effect.

 

:lurk5:

 

Keep in mind that the polls mean very little at this point. I need to do some verifications but I believe Carter was beating Reagan at this point. Reagan won it by a landslide.

 

I fear our government as we know it is going down either way. Personally, I think Obama will simply nationalize it all and we'll be more like the Socialist Republic of the Americas. I think McCain will pretend to not want to nationalize it all but he'll do it too. The dollar will crash and both will have "no choice".

 

Yes, they're all turning me into a conspiracy wack-o.

[VaKim]

Well' date=' to me it means that even if my candidate loses, God has a plan and a reason, and he is not up there wringing His hands going, "Oh, no, what do I do now?" If Obama wins, it is because God put him there, and He has his own reasons that I may not understand since I can't see or plan the future. That doesn't say anythng about whether or not God [i']approves[/i] of a particular leader (not trying to pick on Obama here). It just means that he is part of the plan like Caesar, Pilate, or Judas Iscariot. Nothing they did caught God by surprise.God also raised up George Washington, so I'm not saying it is all bad. I can have comfort in whatever He does, knowing that He is planning it for the my ultimate good, and the ultimate good of His people.

 

Thanks for the reminder. :iagree:

[kokotg]

Keep in mind that the polls mean very little at this point. I need to do some verifications but I believe Carter was beating Reagan at this point. Reagan won it by a landslide.

 

 

 

Carter was slightly ahead in the polls throughout most of the election season. 1980 was a situation where people were generally unhappy with both candidates (Mort Sahl famously said, "Reagan won because he ran against Jimmy Carter. Had he run unopposed, he would have lost.") Things turned around very late in the race, after the debate a week before the election where Reagan had his "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?" moment. Keep in mind, too, that the election was VERY lopsided in the electoral college, but not nearly as dramatic in popular vote. Reagan won just 50.75% (Carter 41.01%, with the rest going to 3rd party candidates).

 

Certainly it's possible that there will still be a game-changing moment like the debate in 1980. But it doesn't usually happen that way.

[5kidsforME]

Hey, I've been polled! More than I care for. It was truly bizarre too. They called with "positive McCain questions" first....nothing too detailed serious (basically, are you voting for McCain). Then I believe the same polling company called several times more, so I answered questions with the next call. They were agree/disagree questions. The person would say "Obama said such and such...." (all positive things he has promised and it dragged on and on) and I would have to agree or disagree. Then they would move to McCain statements and it was ALL very negative things that he has been accused of or has been said about him. Basically, by answering their questions I would be made out to be a crazy right wing republican that doesn't believe in all these great things Obama will do for our country, but yet I am fine and dandy with *insert negative thing (true, twisted or false) about McCain*.

 

I stopped answering their questions after that, but they kept calling and calling. I had to get a bit rude with them to stop calling me with their partisan polls.

 

So, basically...all that to say I don't care what the polls say :tongue_smilie:

 

I don't know who will win though. I don't trust fairness in either party really (not necessarily distrust for the candidates themselves though....well, at least McCain lol). I don't trust the media at all (and their part in it all is way too big). Elections seems to be one big crapshoot, but I try to do my part :glare:

 

I stopped answering any political calls after I answered this one: Caller Hi, I am so and so and would like to aks you a few questions. ME, ok!

 

Caller: Please choose ONE of the following

 

Would you consider yourself:

A. Protestant

B. Evangelical

C. Born-Again

 

ME: silence (waiting for option D all of the above)

 

Caller: Please choose one.

 

ME: Well, I am all 3.

 

Caller: you can only choose one ma'am

 

ME: I have to go, bye.

[farmgirlinwv]

I didn't read all the replies, but I'll tell you who I think is going to lose in this election. That is the American people now and for generations to come.

[cathmom]

I got polled yesterday. It was an automated call that took 6 minutes and was fairly specific, about both national and state races.

[CalicoKat]

well, since no one else has mentioned this (ducking for the tomatoes that will fly) . . . . I think that our country is more likely to vote in a woman VP than an African American President. (ducking behind my computer now).

 

I know the polls show Obama ahead. But in the end I think it will be McCain/Palin that win.

[Melinda in VT]

Well' date=' to me it means that even if my candidate loses, God has a plan and a reason, and he is not up there wringing His hands going, "Oh, no, what do I do now?" If Obama wins, it is because God put him there, and He has his own reasons that I may not understand since I can't see or plan the future. That doesn't say anythng about whether or not God [i']approves[/i] of a particular leader (not trying to pick on Obama here). It just means that he is part of the plan like Caesar, Pilate, or Judas Iscariot. Nothing they did caught God by surprise.God also raised up George Washington, so I'm not saying it is all bad. I can have comfort in whatever He does, knowing that He is planning it for the my ultimate good, and the ultimate good of His people.

 

if you believe God is in control of the election and whatever happens is his will, what motivates you to vote? Do you vote?

 

I realize this could sound snarky, and I'm really not asking like that. I want to understand your position.

[Jugglin'5]

if you believe God is in control of the election and whatever happens is his will, what motivates you to vote? Do you vote?

 

I realize this could sound snarky, and I'm really not asking like that. I want to understand your position.

 

God uses secondary means. For instance, God could light the world by a direct act of will, but He chooses to use the sun. God can heal someone and might choose to use a surgeon. It is not the same thing as fatalism. God can draw straight with crooked lines.

[Peek a Boo]

God uses secondary means. For instance' date=' God could light the world by a direct act of will, but He chooses to use the sun. God can heal someone and might choose to use a surgeon. It is not the same thing as fatalism. God can draw straight with crooked lines.[/quote']

 

right.

 

God watches over us..... and provides us w/ seatbelts.

God places us where we need to be....but we are still called to get up and go.

God has jobs for us to do....but we are to get up off the couch and look for employment.

[Dawn E]

Well' date=' to me it means that even if my candidate loses, God has a plan and a reason, and he is not up there wringing His hands going, "Oh, no, what do I do now?" If Obama wins, it is because God put him there, and He has his own reasons that I may not understand since I can't see or plan the future. That doesn't say anythng about whether or not God [i']approves[/i] of a particular leader (not trying to pick on Obama here). It just means that he is part of the plan like Caesar, Pilate, or Judas Iscariot. Nothing they did caught God by surprise.God also raised up George Washington, so I'm not saying it is all bad. I can have comfort in whatever He does, knowing that He is planning it for the my ultimate good, and the ultimate good of His people.

 

:iagree: I have been trying very hard to remind myself of this daily--who am I kidding...more like hourly. It is so easy to get swept up in the worry of it all. I've said it before and will undoubtedly say it again: I am very grateful that my salvation--security, protection--is not dependent upon who wins.

[Kari C in SC]

:iagree:

 

I liked Sarah Palin, a lot, for about a week. Then I got to know her.

 

And the more I see of her and the more I hear her (not hear ABOUT, but hear her) the less respect I have for Mr. McCain for putting her on the ticket.

 

I never paid attention to Biden because the old Kelli ignored all Democrats (except Lowe Finney, the one Dem I voted for in my 20+ years of being a grownup). But now, the more I see and hear Biden and the more I see and hear ABOUT Biden the more respect I have for Mr. Obama for putting him on the ticket.

 

:iagree::iagree:

 

I would rep you if I could. This has been my thoughts all week long. My dh's family is all pro McCain. We all live in the same neighborhood, homeschool our kids together, etc. You get the idea, we are a close family. They aren't really interested in the debates because they are pro McCain and that is the end of story for them. I have never been one to just listen to what everyone else says and follow. I have to listen for myself and then learn. I have to say that in all the past polls here that I voted that my vote would go for McCain. My view has been changing. I am not saying I have made up my mind. I am saying that I am learning more and more each day. For me health care is a big issue. My dh is uninsurable. He also is a mechanic which means most companies he will ever work for will not offer insurance. He is not in the best of health and will always need medical care. I am not seeing a plan that would work for him with McCain. A $5,000 tax credit would not help us one bit because he can't get anyone to insure him. Anyway, these are my thoughts. Oh and I agree... the more I hear Sarah Palin speak, the less I think she is qualified to possibly be the vice president or even the president someday.

[JoyinWI]

Very well said.

[JoyinWI]

God uses secondary means. For instance' date=' God could light the world by a direct act of will, but He chooses to use the sun. God can heal someone and might choose to use a surgeon. It is not the same thing as fatalism. God can draw straight with crooked lines.[/quote']

 

This is what I was responding to with my "very well said".....I'm still trying to get the hang of posting.

[ma23peas]

First Kari, MAJOR KUDOS to your ds and his path!! You should be very proud.

 

I wanted to give you some encouragement...not sure if it will help. We have history to go back and look at...health care is a fairly new phenomenon....my great grandfather (died in the 60's) never had health care...he also had his home blown away by a tornado and guess what, he had no insurance, all 5 members of the family were scattered over 200 feet from the house..all survived but with nothing, not even the clothes on their backs. They went on to have 3 more children (one was my grandmother) and made a loving life of it.

 

I only say this to help you step back from the focusing on one issue and focus on the bigger picture. I don't care if I never have health care...God cares for me more than he cares for the sparrow that always has a home...He carried my ancestors through trying times, and they came out loving and trusting...they've passed that on to generations.

 

What I do know is that I want my government to be more fiscally responsible and NOT have as many powers as they do today. These two candidates are simply as opposite as they can get, one wants more government control (heading towards a socialist government) and one wants less government and is willing to cut programs. I do the budget in my family, I won't rob Peter to pay Paul..and I will tell Peter, sorry, no McDonald's this month, or we can't get that item you really wanted...we can fix beans and rice and we'll plug through....there are always times when you need to tighten the belt....I like our country the way it was designed...few central powers...we have moved soo off of that point that it's scary to me and no matter how scared I am about not selling our 2nd home (we've had 2 mortgages for 16 months!!)...and how it could potentially eat all our savings for retirement...I KNOW that God is not seeing this as a problem and neither should I...but I do trust in those men who founded this country that they were planning for all the best in democracy with the least amount of control....they pulled from long lines of history and I vote for what they represented...I may not like either candidate personally, but what they stand for and how they will lead this country are fundamentally clear...some want more government and some want less...all other fears like specifics on healthcare/housing/savings...those will take care of themselves..but the direction of our country is more important than my fears...pick which way you want this country to go and vote for the agenda not the person.

 

Tara