OH MY! Galore Park Sci. Shocker!!

[jonesloonybin]

I just got my Galore Park "So you really want to learn Science book 2" yesterday. I was looking through the book and one of the first chapters is reproduction...ok...I knew that. Well, my first shock was the full frontal picture of a Man...with a beard and no clothes (it was a drawing but a VERY realistic one). But I thought to myself, don't be a prude...they will have to learn sometime, but I was not prepared for the next page...It is a cut away picture of....a man and a woman having S...E...X...!

 

Again it is a drawing but it show exactly where everything goes. Am I over reacting? My daughter is 13 but I really feel that this is TMI! Maybe when she is in High school! I don't know what to do. I really hate to damage books in anyway but it is the first chapter...she will have to flip past it EVERY time we use the book. I was thinking of gluing an index card over the picture. What do you all think? I really like the rest of the book but WOW. Maybe I am a prude. I am also worried that the full size picture of the man will make dd think differently about her dad. Does that sound crazy.

 

Maybe I am crazy...my hubby doesn't seem that worried about it but he said he was very sheltered growing up and wished he knew more but I grew up knowing everything..(my parents kept adult movies and magazines in the house and didn't seem to care if the kids seen them) I feel like that led to bad decisions and would like to spare my children from having to grow up too soon.

 

I am not saying NEVER talk about it...but 13 does seem young to me.

 

So...give me your opinion. Am I as loony as my user name? :lol:

[M&M]

I don't think you are a prude. I would certainly something to that book and I don't like damaging books either. That just seems like tmi for me, btw, I think that knowing about something and actually seeing it are two very different things.

[Kathleen in VA]

Ummm, well, I'm almost afraid to stick my neck out here, but wow, no 13 year old in my house would ever see those pictures - especially the second one. Yikes! I don't care if it is science - that's just a bit overboard imo.

[Karen in CO]

wow. Well. okay.

 

If you lived on a farm, your dd would have probably seen animals doing that kind of stuff and it would probably be more natural for you to talk about. I know that I didn't see a picture of nekked guy until I was older, and I was pretty ignorant about the logistics of it all. So it is probably a good thing to teach. You will most certainly want your dd to learn about this from you so that you can pass your values along with the lessons. Your dh saw the material and wasn't as concerned. A science lesson is different than the movies and magazines you were exposed to.

 

Read the lesson instead of just glancing at the pictures. Put it in context. However, if you are uncomfortable with the material, then maybe get the binding cut off and the book hole punched or ring bound and save that chapter for later in the year. That way you aren't presenting it now, but you are also not destroying it as it is something that you will need to discuss eventually.

[Alana in Canada]

If you think your child isn't ready, tape the pages together.

 

I was informed about *all that* when I was about 8--much much too young with the sorts of pictures you describe. It aroused an overwhelming, unhealthy curiousity about boys and men and well, *all that.*

 

Does anyone really need to know in that much detail?

 

(Maybe haul them out again and untape them on her wedding night!)

[Jenny in Atl]

We use GP too... and I would have to say the picture is far from graphic. If this is too much for you child then, don't use it. But, I just have to say it's not at all sexual or dirty. Looks like a diagram you would see in the doctor's office of the inside of your nose or other organ poster.

 

And I disagree that 13 is too young. Has she started her period? I can't imagine she has not yet wondered how babies are made.

[8filltheheart]

It bothered me. I sold my GP science. Not b/c of the picture but b/c I simply didn't think the science was very thorough. But I believe the picture of copulation was unnecessary. I started off as a biology major in college and didn't change majors until my junior yr. I never saw a picture like that in any high school or college text I used.

[VaKim]

What in the world does ANYONE need pictures of that for? It is quite simple to understand without a picture, as far as I am concerned.

[dawn of ns]

What in the world does ANYONE need pictures of that for? It is quite simple to understand without a picture, as far as I am concerned.

 

I think you'd be surprised. For me, it's really not one of those things I'd leave up to the imagination and I'd appreciate having a dry, uninteresting diagram to show my teenager.

 

I wouldn't be shocked to see it in a text meant for teens or pre-teens.

[VaKim]

I think you'd be surprised. For me, it's really not one of those things I'd leave up to the imagination and I'd appreciate having a dry, uninteresting diagram to show my teenager.

 

I wouldn't be shocked to see it in a text meant for teens or pre-teens.

 

No, I can't say I am surprised that anybody would WANT such a thing, considering the state of the world these days. But I just don't believe anybody NEEDS any such thing. Worldview differences again. Come soon, Lord Jesus.

[lovemyboys]

I think you'd be surprised. For me, it's really not one of those things I'd leave up to the imagination and I'd appreciate having a dry, uninteresting diagram to show my teenager.

 

I wouldn't be shocked to see it in a text meant for teens or pre-teens.

 

Have to agree here. (I haven't seen the text in question.) We had a little movie and "the s*x talk" in class at school when we were 11, with signed parental permission. Girls only. Some of my classmates had started their periods.

 

My parents were careful but open with reproductive info. I would have seen some diagrams and info like you describe by the age of 13.

 

imo, that would be the time to be gently introducing these topics so that you can keep an open line of communication with your dd. That way you can be discussing the whole spectrum of things within your belief/faith system as they come up in the years ahead. If this info were in something aimed at 8-10 yo, I would feel differently.:001_smile:

[Kathleen in VA]

Well, my parents didn't want to leave anything to our imaginations so they demonstrated the whole process for us personally. That should really get the whole message across, whad'ya think? I'm forever scarred and I really don't want to even get close to that for my dc. I, for one, think leaving things to the imagination has a lot going for it. TYVM.

[JudyJudyJudy]

I'd love to see the pictures so that I could judge for myself!

[JudyJudyJudy]

Well, my parents didn't want to leave anything to our imaginations so they demonstrated the whole process for us personally.

Wow. I hope I'm not understanding this correctly. If I am, that is horrible.

[Kathleen in VA]

Wow. I hope I'm not understanding this correctly. If I am, that is horrible.

 

Unfortunately, you are. Great childhood, huh?

 

ETA: Could be, this makes me just a tad sensitive about this sort of thing. I understand wanting my children to know about the birds and the bees but I really don't think pictures are necessary. Some images just never go away, kwim?

[JudyJudyJudy]

Unfortunately, you are. Great childhood, huh?

I'm so sorry. :(

[Homeschooling6]

I would put the postcard on it. I'm sorry but my kiddos do not need pictures. I have never seen pictures like this in my life:001_huh: at least not the one of it showing how it's done.

 

I did read a book that my mom gave me when I got engaged but even that didn't have a picture of a man & women having s*x. It had other drawn pictures.

 

My vote is skip the picture.

[Homeschooling6]

Unfortunately, you are. Great childhood, huh?

 

ETA: Could be, this makes me just a tad sensitive about this sort of thing. I understand wanting my children to know about the birds and the bees but I really don't think pictures are necessary. Some images just never go away, kwim?

 

:iagree: I have recently talked to my dd a little and as she gets older I'll add a little more. Like Kathleen mentioned I don't think they need pictures though.

[Kim in SouthGa]

I would sell it or rip the pages out...that's just not necessary. I also majored in biology and never saw that even in my college textbooks.

[dawn of ns]

Well, my parents didn't want to leave anything to our imaginations so they demonstrated the whole process for us personally. That should really get the whole message across, whad'ya think? I'm forever scarred and I really don't want to even get close to that for my dc. I, for one, think leaving things to the imagination has a lot going for it. TYVM.

 

Yikes.

 

Regardless, there's a wide spectrum here. You were exposed to an unhealthy and unjustifiable extreme. I don't think a clinical picture even approachs that.

 

But then my experience colours my judgement as well. I really had nothing at all so when I made the, "you'd be surprised," comment about the, "It is quite simple to understand without a picture," I was talking from experience. Believe me, a simple picture would have cleared up SO much. :D

[bettyandbob]

I haven't seen the picture in Galore Park, but some of the pictures in DK materials, while not full bodies are pretty graphic.

 

My ds 13, knows everything and has known everything since he was 6 and read (early very strong read) it all in a DK encyclopedia--I didn't know it was there until he was spouting facts that were well beyond things he'd been told.

 

dd 10, knows everything. We started discussing bit by bit at age 7. I build on factual stuff each year. It's clear what she's ready to handle by how she responds to me and books/pictures I use. First was basic mechanics, then body changes, then the importance of love (emphasized earlier, but I put and extra emphasis on it when my dd got to be 9). Now, I've also hit on molestation and rape for personal safety needs. I'm not with dd every second and I'm not going make excuses for sharing personal safety info by telling myself that x-place (dance studio, choir practice, etc) is absolutely safe until I get back (I believe it is, but I also believe in arming my dd).

 

I had no education in these matters. I learned everything to do with the body was shameful or something too embarrassing to discuss. Not because my parents said so, but because my mom was to embarrassed to educate me. My mom didn't even give me persmission to go to the menstruation lesson in health class. I really didn't know the mechanics of s** until I was 17 and that I believe put me in a dangerous position for my personal safety. On other hand my dd feels comfortable asking me questions. This happens rarely, but she asks just like its normal. This is the way I want it to be. I want to know what she thinks and wants to learn so I can be the FIRST influence on these issues. It's hard not to show I want to run and hide, but I answer with honest information and see if dd has a follow up question. I think as kids get older, even it they are homeschooled, they can and do get info elsewhere. Kids do socialize at dance/choir/coop and not all the social activity is listened to by adults.

 

I wished I'd had information and some graphics as a child and I wish my mother had been the person to present it all to me.

[8filltheheart]

Being frank about sexual reproduction and pictures of copulation are not equivalent.

 

Children can be taught appropriately about reproduction w/o requiring pictures of men laying on top of women with a sliced viewed of what is occurring in order to understand how reproduction takes place. My personal POV is taht I do not believe the pictures in the GP materials are appropriate. That some may not find offensive, I can understand. That that has any connection to what biological education is taking place.....no.

[jonesloonybin]

I have scanned the page and would be happy to email it to anyone. That way you can judge for yourself. Just PM me your email and I will send it.

[Sandy in Indy]

I haven't seen the book, but I probably wouldn't use it. Personally, I think people figure out what goes where on their own...and have done so since Adam and Eve. I really don't think anyone needs a picture of that particular act to learn how to do the deed.

 

I do think there comes a time when it's appropriate to discuss bodies, male and female. Then it would be appropriate to have a clinical kind of picture to help explain things. Thirteen seems young to me, but then my dc just weren't all that interested at that age.

 

You know your kids and what they can handle and what YOU can handle discussing with them.

[dragons in the flower bed]

Regardless, there's a wide spectrum here.

 

:iagree: Kathleen, I'm very sorry that you experienced that. As Dawn mentioned, damage can also be caused by going to the opposite extreme.

 

There are many things in life that are hard to understand from description alone. I knew, when I was twelve, most of the kids in my health class went in search of pornography not to rebel, or seeking out arousal, but because they couldn't visualize what our health instructor was saying. Cross-sectioned pictures are not comprehensible if you've never seen a penis. Would you try to teach any other aspect of biology without a visual guide? If you're embarrassed, or fear your daughter may be, you could let her read that lesson independently.

 

There are also gentle, cartoony pictures in other books. I recommend It's Perfectly Normal by Robie Haris. You can use the 'Search Inside This Book' feature on Amazon.com to get a sample of the illustration style, or, if you want to see the parts that illustrate the sex organs, I can scan in a sample page for you and e-mail it.

[jonesloonybin]

:iagree: Kathleen, I'm very sorry that you experienced that. As Dawn mentioned, damage can also be caused by going to the opposite extreme.

 

There are many things in life that are hard to understand from description alone. I knew, when I was twelve, most of the kids in my health class went in search of pornography not to rebel, or seeking out arousal, but because they couldn't visualize what our health instructor was saying. Cross-sectioned pictures are not comprehensible if you've never seen a penis. Would you try to teach any other aspect of biology without a visual guide? If you're embarrassed, or fear your daughter may be, you could let her read that lesson independently.

 

There are also gentle, cartoony pictures in other books. I recommend It's Perfectly Normal by Robie Haris. You can use the 'Search Inside This Book' feature on Amazon.com to get a sample of the illustration style, or, if you want to see the parts that illustrate the sex organs, I can scan in a sample page for you and e-mail it.

 

I would, thank you. It is hard to balance between what I feel I got as a child...TOO much info and what my dh got...not any info.

 

Thanks.

Terri

chimp1984a@yahoo.com

[jamnkats]

Well, it sure sounds shocking. But my kids have all seen the next sibling born (except the youngest, obviously) and we are frequently, naturally naked (showers, changing at night - 300sqft, 6 people, some of which is taken up by beds, sofas, etc. - you're not with much privacy) and all the kids have, little by maturity level, had ongoing talks about reproduction, menstrual cycles, pregnancy, etc. All as they expressed interest, in the moment kind of things.

 

I certainly would not censor my kids stuff (and haven't since they were around 5) but instead see what their needs were about it. I know my 14yo would have no problem but my 12yo is VERY prudish and I think he'd not want to see it. So, I'd simply check in with my kid and see what they wanted to do about the intercourse photo/graphic.

[dragons in the flower bed]

I would, thank you. It is hard to balance between what I feel I got as a child...TOO much info and what my dh got...not any info.

 

Terri, I find Robie Harris' cartoons strike a good balance for me. YMMV, and I have e-mailed the scanned pages to you.

[dawn of ns]

I saw the pic! Thank you jonesloonybin. :)

 

It's a very simple picture. The two figures are nothing more than outlines with nothing above the upper back or below the knee. It didn't bother me at all (almost looked abstract in fact) and I thought it would be pretty useful for biology myself.

[dragons in the flower bed]

The two figures are nothing more than outlines with nothing above the upper back or below the knee. It didn't bother me at all (almost looked abstract in fact) and I thought it would be pretty useful for biology myself.

 

Oh dear me. That sounds less graphic than the pics I just sent her from the Robie Harris book. Sorry Terri!

[Jenny in Atl]

Being frank about sexual reproduction and pictures of copulation are not equivalent.

 

Children can be taught appropriately about reproduction w/o requiring pictures of men laying on top of women with a sliced viewed of what is occurring in order to understand how reproduction takes place. My personal POV is taht I do not believe the pictures in the GP materials are appropriate. That some may not find offensive, I can understand. That that has any connection to what biological education is taking place.....no.

 

But what if your child is a visual learner and all the talking in the world still leaves them at a loss? I can't fathom how this odd picture (each figure only has one leg, no breasts or hair or anything else is shown. It's to illustrate where the semen comes from and where it goes. Do you not sure cross sections of a baby growing in utero? How do you show your daughter how to use a tampax?

 

I agree, parents having sex to show their kids is extreme, but my poor mother was told nothing. She was traumatized when her period came and later when she first had sex with my father. Thankfully, she told and showed me age appropriate illustrations when I was little (6). My brother was due soon, and I was under the impression they cut out the babies and threw the mothers away. Thankfully, she explained and showed me the facts. Honestly all I said was, "That's it?" It was nothing that made me want to have sex, or even to look at more illustrations. As both my parents are artists, I grew up surrounded by the naked form, but in a healthy way. No porn was laid about, nothing degrading to either me or the human form.

 

Tonight, I asked both of mine (who both have seen the illustration) if they found it yucky or something dirty. They both said no. Again, they have seen animals "do it" and a live birth, something that would take all the giggles and intrigue out of their private region for most I gather.

[Book Crazy]

I saw the pic! Thank you jonesloonybin. :)

 

It's a very simple picture. The two figures are nothing more than outlines with nothing above the upper back or below the knee. It didn't bother me at all (almost looked abstract in fact) and I thought it would be pretty useful for biology myself.

 

:iagree:

 

I also have no problem with the diagram. I know that UK/European attitudes towards sex and sex education are different than the USA. I remember science class at 13 covered reproduction and included various diagrams like the one in the Galore Park book. (I'm English).

[dawn of ns]

Ummm... Right. And there's a word for pictures of copulation. It's called pornography. Whether it is veiled in a science book or not, that's what it is.

 

No, pornography has a specific intent - to sexually excite the viewer. It's not simply a picture of copulation. Pornography can be a picture of a naked woman in a Penthouse magazine - no copulation there - and yet not be a pencil study of a nude and that's because intent matters.

 

I can't find any evidence of intent to excite in the Galore Park picture. :)

[abbeyej]

Unfortunately, you are. Great childhood, huh?

 

Oh! My! ... Yes, I can see how that *would* really color your perceptions... Goodness. I'm so sorry...

[Sahamamama]

Maybe with an Exacto, you could cut the pages out and save them for later (or never) and it wouldn't seem to damage the book much. If your daughter notices and asks you about the missing pages, you could be honest and tell her they were drawings/diagrams of sexual activity that you feel she is not mature enough yet to see.

[dragons in the flower bed]

Point well taken. I yield. :001_smile:

 

Somebody rep this woman. I'm clean out.

[sagira]

Cultural differences, I guess. My parents, both relatively conservative and Catholic, sat me down at 10 and explained to me the facts of human reproduction combined with social studies from a book with colored pictures of a nudist family: a father, mother, daughter and son. There was a picture of the father and mother copulating, but it was very tastefully done. I really understood how men and women reproduce.

 

My father was there explaining to me his side of things, how men feel about making love and what tricks men use to get into women's pants :D

 

They wanted to tell me before I found out the wrong way from someone else, and I'm glad. At 12, I helped many girls in my class with their menstruation questions (many were terrified!) and misconception about what human reproduction was all informed. I'm all for information, but I understand how some very conservative parents in this country can feel shocked.

 

When I was in high school the subject was covered more graphically. We saw nude women giving birth in many different positions, and would study the anatomy of the privates with huge drawings or pictures of the real thing right there. I also conducted a survey on s-e-x the subject with help from my teachers and interviewed a sex therapist at 17.

 

I can say that all that information was very beneficial to me, and I practiced abstinence until I got married because it was the most practical thing to do. As I already knew what everything was about, I didn't have the curiosity that a lot of people have.

 

It's good to know your level of comfort before you pick a class on reproductive biology. Around our house we have lots of paintings of naked women, as dh is an artist and likes the female form as a subject. Dd (1) loves the pictures and walks around pointing and saying "num-nums" :lol:

[Homeschooling6]

I just received my book "What a Fifth Grader Needs to Know" and there are pictures of the reproduction parts of a male and female. I have no problem with that, but IMHO I don't think they need any kind of picture/drawing of how it's done.

 

[dawn of ns]

It's good to know your level of comfort before you pick a class on reproductive biology. Around our house we have lots of paintings of naked women, as dh is an artist and likes the female form as a subject. Dd (1) loves the pictures and walks around pointing and saying "num-nums" :lol:

 

I draw too and my favourite subject is a tasteful nude. There's nothing like light on the human body...Anyway, the kids are used to walking into the kitchen and seeing a nice nude on the computer screen while I sketch away. I did have one day when one of the neighbourhood kids walked into the house and I didn't didn't realize it. There was some furious mouse-clicking going on when he walked into the kitchen...:D

[kalanamak]

Just FYI, 7th grade...age 12, small town mid-west

 

One girl wrote woefully incorrect but very lurid p#rn#graphic stories and passed them around the school. They were read by 100's and everyone was glued to them. I just *knew* they were "incorrect" and wished I knew the true facts so I could refute her version.

 

I believe I've told this story here, but when a pair of ducks were at it on a pond and a group of 2nd graders were freaking out (it looks rather like r*pe) "Mom! What are those ducks doing??", my son, tiredly, put his hand on his hip and said "Its CALLED s#xual intercour*e." He was five.

Thank you David Attenborough.

 

I'd have to see the pics, but if it was "clinical" I would okay it. But that's me. Death, s#x, all in a ho-hum voice. When his math is good enough, I'll even show him our taxes. I'm more upset about how s*x is portrayed in advertising and TV.

[Sahamamama]

Somebody rep this woman. I'm clean out.

 

Righto, Dragons. Consider it done. :001_smile:

[Prairie~Phlox]

Well my parents didn't tell me anything, but I would stay at my grandma's and my aunt was living at home at the time. She had a boyfriend that would stay the night and I would ask her questions. I wasn't understanding things, so she drew me a picture! Made it a lot easier to understand. Older kids were talking about s+x all the time on the bus that I rode. I remember one kid, his name was Brandon, he always talked about having s+x and one story he shared was shoving ice cubes up his girl friend, that it was soooo good. Now, I can't even imagine that after being married for 13 years....geesh, ya wonder why I homeschool. I just can never get that story out of my head.

 

Phlox

[Renai]

Personally, I think people figure out what goes where on their own...and have done so since Adam and Eve.

 

Some people don't. I didn't until I was 24, about to be r*ped, and saw the guy aroused. It took a while, but I figured it out. And this was after years of being "told".

 

I don't know what is the "ideal" age, but I would think it would depend on the child. My almost-9yo dd knows about the menstrual cycle, has seen women give birth (pictures and video) and knows the difference between that and how she came out of me. She has no interest knowing about s*x (thank goodness, I'm not ready to tell her). She heard something from a neighbor girl, but she won't tell me what she was told and basically said she doesn't want to remember (this was a year ago). (She also said that when dh and I disappear, she knows we're not taking a nap :001_huh:) I guess when we're both ready, we'll talk.

 

I don't know about pictures though. So, no advice. I don't know how I'll feel by the time dd is 13. I guess I'm not on either side of this argument then :tongue_smilie:. (So, what am I posting this for again...?)

[Frelle]

Just FYI, 7th grade...age 12, small town mid-west

 

One girl wrote woefully incorrect but very lurid p#rn#graphic stories and passed them around the school. They were read 100's and everyone was glued to them. I just *knew* they were "incorrect" and wished I knew the true facts so I could refute her version.

 

I believe I've told this story here, but when a pair of ducks were at it on a pond and a group of 2nd graders were freaking out (it looks rather like r*pe) "Mom! What are those ducks doing??", my son, tiredly, put his hand on his hip and said "Its CALLED s#xual intercour*e." He was five.

Thank you David Attenborough.

 

I'd have to see the pics, but if it was "clinical" I would okay it. But that's me. Death, s#x, all in a ho-hum voice. When his math is good enough, I'll even show him our taxes. I'm more upset about how s*x is portrayed in advertising and TV.

 

A girl in the class above me wrote stories just like that and they got passed around the school. In a small midwestern town in the mid 80s. One of them was called "The Rise and Fall of Me, Myself, and I" if memory serves. Reckon yuou should PM me if that sounds familiar.

[Osmosis Mom]

Well, growing up in Denmark it was (is) standard to let kids 4-5 read a photo book with photos mind you of absolutely everything. It grosses me out now, but it was absolutely considered standard when I was a teen (and read this book to my innoncent sister)!!

 

I married into a very prudish culture, but I do have a real problem when parents can't tell their kids a thing or when they assume their teens do not know where babies come from etc. My own dd at age 12 -being very nature oriented and having seen animals mate- had no clue how we humans reproduce. It was important for me that she knew the facts before getting her period and before learning it from peers.

 

In general then I don't mind simple drawings, but there is no way I'd let my kids do a photo-book!!!! LOL!

[Kathleen in VA]

Here is the book I had dd15 read.

 

Baby! God’s Gift for Married Couples (you have to scroll down to Book #4 in the God's Plan for Growing Up series published by Queen Homeschool Supplies.)

 

It suits our ultra-conservative family. Just sharing for the benefit of others looking for this kind of book.

[Homeschooling6]

Here is the book I had dd15 read.

 

Baby! God’s Gift for Married Couples (you have to scroll down to Book #4 in the God's Plan for Growing Up series published by Queen Homeschool Supplies.)

 

It suits our ultra-conservative family. Just sharing for the benefit of others looking for this kind of book.

 

We are using QueenHomeschool too to gently introduce. I'm not one for over shielding but at the same time I don't want to give them more information then they need. My kiddos are 10 years and under. I am just in the begining stage with them.

 

I have read the first two books of Queenhomeschool to my kids. Girl for my dd and the boy one for my ds separately.

[magistramom]

I just read the initial post on the pics in the book.

 

Erm...

I'm a bit speechless...

Um...

Well,

 

EWE!!!!

 

Can you mail it back?

[PamJH]

I haven't read all the posts (they frown on that here at work), but I used that book with my kids last year; they were 12 and 14 at the time. The 14-year-old had to do a lot of other assignments to round out the course, but that's another story.

 

I taught my kids the lesson separately (boy and girl). I taped an index card over the picture in question, and told the kids they could look at the picture in private if it was too icky to look at with me. They took me up on it. They both declined to discuss it further, but I remind them now and then to ask me questions any time they like. Actually, the discussion wasn't as bad (for me) as I thought it would be.

 

The poster who mentioned farm life has a point. We live on a farm and so do their grandparents. They've seen sheep, stray cats, cattle and assorted other mammals in compromising positions, so perhaps this is why they took most of our discussion in such a matter-of-fact manner.

 

I also think people in Great Britain could be, in general, less apt to question drawings such as these. From what I understand from friends who have visited England and lived there, they take procreation studies in stride; it's no big deal. And these are British texts.

 

Anyway, you have to do what it is right for your kids. We liked the Science Prep 2 book. We only used it for biology and now plan to sell it.

[Linda...inOwasso]

Kathleen,

 

I'm so sorry. What you experienced was clearly child abuse and there's absolutely no justification for it. In 40 years, I've never heard of that approach to sex education before (though I'm sure it happens more frequently than I can imagine.) I consider myself "moderate" on social issues, but your parents' actions were so extreme I can only classify them as mentally ill.

 

I feel terrible that you had to experience such a thing. Wrapping you in prayers!