Teacher Mom Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Ugh. I thought I'd better ask before throwing old books away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excelsior! Academy Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Ack! I hope not. It would be hard to track down years worth of ISBN's. :bigear: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 The only reason I'll put them in is if I need NCAA approval. I'm keeping a running record with the idea that I can delete for space if I don't need them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regentrude Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 No. Having course descriptions at all is going above and beyond and not required for almost all schools (my DD applied to extremely selective places, and none requested them.) Then, I think, if anybody does look at course descriptions at all, they merely browse. I can not imagining anybody actually looking up ISBN numbers. I list textbook title and author. I don't even bother with the edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Keep in mind that at most colleges, admissions people spend no more than 15 minutes with the student's application to make a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacher Mom Posted March 30, 2014 Author Share Posted March 30, 2014 Thanks everyone. I appreciate the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty ethel rackham Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Nope. No one has asked thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lolly Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I did not keep them. I needed them for NCAA. I just looked them up online by searching for the books I had used. I didn't really care how accurate my information was because it is a stupid thing for them to request. So, if I listed a different edition than what I actually had used, I didn't sweat it. I did make sure the edition year was one that was out the year we would have used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteryJen Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I did, but only for textbooks. dd1 (who will need NCAA approval) is using many of the same textbooks, so I just did some of the work ahead of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kareni Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I did not put book titles in the course descriptions that I wrote for my daughter. I did include a textbook list along with a reading list so titles (but not ISBNs) were included there. Regards, Kareni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugs Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I use HST+ and it will download all the info of a book to the database when I use the ISBN. So I just have it because... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In The Great White North Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 The only reason I'll put them in is if I need NCAA approval. I The NCAA wants them? I missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 The NCAA wants them? I missed that. Admittedly I haven't looked at their requirements in a few months, so they may have changed again. But they were asking for isbns before they brought out the course worksheets. I think they are also part of the info asked for on the worksheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpedIntoTheDeepEndFirst Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 My running book list for courses is basically an EasyBib created citation with ISBNs added. Then I can cut and paste whatever info is needed into the appropriate document-transcript, course description, NCAA, AP Audit, etc. If you were getting rid of the book, I'd be sure to have all the relevant information in list somewhere and then dump the book. You can cut and paste as much or as little info as you need from there. Far easier to list it now than hunt for it if I needed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingiguana Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I didn't put book titles on the last transcript I did. Or even brief course descriptions. I had course titles, credit, grade. Name of student and graduation year at the top. ACT scores at the bottom (not necessary if one is sending the scores, but I had room). My name, phone, and signature. From years of looking at ps transcripts, that was my impression of what the admissions people would be used to seeing. Just be sure the course titles are meaningful. E.g.: Math Through the Ages isn't going to mean anything. Algebra 2 is a known quantity. My daughter got in everywhere she applied with no questions asked. I've since heard that of all the homeschool transcripts that have come into the one college (where she's going), ours was by far and away the best. You could see what was covered at a glance, without having to page through things. (In fact, some unkind things were said about some other transcripts.... Things I wasn't supposed to hear, but that's what happens.) I'd keep it simple. If you want to offer course descriptions, say they're available on request or something. Or VERY clearly separate them from the transcript. Don't even send them in the same envelope. If you send them in with the transcript, everything's going to get confused with the transcript. Most transcripts I have seen have been a single page. So that's how I did ours. We didn't want to stand out in a bad way -- And I think these course descriptions attached to a transcript just look like disorganization. As if the parent sent everything that should have been distilled down into a transcript and didn't, somehow, have the wherewithal to do that distilling. And what looks like stupidity or incompetence in the parent is going to reflect badly on the student. However, if you need ISBN's later, you can often find them on Amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clementine Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Just wanted to update - I printed out a new NCAA homeschool checklist & they are no longer asking for ISBN numbers. One small change for the better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmermom3 Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Admittedly I haven't looked at their requirements in a few months, so they may have changed again. But they were asking for isbns before they brought out the course worksheets. I think they are also part of the info asked for on the worksheets. :lol: Snort! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 Just wanted to update - I printed out a new NCAA homeschool checklist & they are no longer asking for ISBN numbers. One small change for the better! Do you have a link? The one I'm seeing is dated 2011 and item D asks for title, author, publisher or ISBN. I also thought that it was part of the course worksheets. But I haven't looked in about a year. Makes me too irritated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Yell Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 No- I also don't list book titles or even have course descriptions. :coolgleamA: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 No. I put the titles and authors of books in my course descriptions (to save doing a separate book list,) but no ISBN. I figured if anyone wanted that much detail, I could get it from Amazon or Google Books easily. No one asked for anything beyond what I provided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowbeltmom Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I didn't put book titles on the last transcript I did. Or even brief course descriptions. I'd keep it simple. If you want to offer course descriptions, say they're available on request or something. Or VERY clearly separate them from the transcript. Don't even send them in the same envelope. If you send them in with the transcript, everything's going to get confused with the transcript. Most transcripts I have seen have been a single page. So that's how I did ours. We didn't want to stand out in a bad way -- And I think these course descriptions attached to a transcript just look like disorganization. As if the parent sent everything that should have been distilled down into a transcript and didn't, somehow, have the wherewithal to do that distilling. And what looks like stupidity or incompetence in the parent is going to reflect badly on the student. Unfortunately, there is no uniformity when it comes to college admissions and the documentation colleges want from homeschoolers. While I have not found a college that requests ISBN#, the colleges on my son's list do want course descriptions. If I don't send in course descriptions with the transcript, I would assume that my son's application will automatically end up on the rejection pile because I don't think the colleges will take the time to specifically ask for additional documentation. Here is what Johns Hopkins wants from homeschoolers. The other schools on my son's list have the same requirements: The overall admission requirements for home-schooled applicants are the same. The secondary school report for home-schooled applicants must include a summary of the home-schooling program, a complete transcript with course descriptions, bibliography of textbooks, description of evaluation methods, and the actual grades or evaluations. Home-schooled applicants must meet the same high school curricular standard expected of all applicants. A letter of recommendation from an academic professional who is familiar with the individual applicant, other than the home-schooling teacher/parent, should be included with the application. The Johns Hopkins University’s Admissions Committee does not have set guidelines or specific instructions for what information a home-schooled applicant must add to their application. Each home-schooled applicant is reviewed individually and independently and therefore there are no set standards for what application materials a student should submit. The general rule for home-schooled applicants to Johns Hopkins University is that we prefer more information rather than less as it pertains to the courses a student has taken, the curriculum for those courses, and the overall assessment of performance for each courses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8filltheheart Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 In the course descriptions, I included the isbn for textbooks. I also included titles and authors of all novels, nonfiction books, essays, etc that were studied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clementine Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Do you have a link? The one I'm seeing is dated 2011 and item D asks for title, author, publisher or ISBN. I also thought that it was part of the course worksheets. But I haven't looked in about a year. Makes me too irritated. I can't copy & paste the link, but if you go to the NCAA eligibility center, click on resources, click on homeschool students, then on core course worksheet instructions....you'll find it. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Unfortunately, there is no uniformity when it comes to college admissions and the documentation colleges want from homeschoolers. While I have not found a college that requests ISBN#, the colleges on my son's list do want course descriptions. If I don't send in course descriptions with the transcript, I would assume that my son's application will automatically end up on the rejection pile because I don't think the colleges will take the time to specifically ask for additional documentation. Here is what Johns Hopkins wants from homeschoolers.... Yes, I think it really depends on what type of colleges your student is applying to. DD application to the local university with open admissions wanted just a transcript and an ACT, so I think if you know your student's intended university wants only that, you can skip the rest of the work. But dd applied to many colleges with similar requirements to JHU. The usual was transcript, course descriptions, and book list, along with the homeschool supplement or a homeschool "school description" that included a reason/method for homeschooling and a method of evaluation. One wanted to see samples of work if the student hadn't completed coursework outside the home. There was nothing disorganized about it, because I didn't make it disorganized. :D I think you are right about the rejection pile, and that is what dd heard from one admission counselor who said they admit few homeschoolers, even those with perfect test scores, because of lack of information. She didn't say they request additional info, and from what I have heard, with piles of wonderful applicants in front of them, you have to make it easy on admissions counselors or they will be happy to narrow down their choices quickly. You also can't usually send things separately; it all goes at once in the common app or in a fax/envelope with one supplied cover sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clementine Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Now both Division I and II need 16 core courses. If you are sending information in to the NCAA, please check their requirements often - they seem to change frequently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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