FairProspects Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 (edited) So, thanks to the religion threads dh and I have discussed our theology and while we do agree with Total Depravity and Irresistible Grace, we do not believe in Limited Atonement or Unconditional Election. What denominations are not considered Reformed but are not Emergent? (They always seem to be juxtaposed these days!) Edited January 1, 2011 by FairProspects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindyD Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 I don't think there's a clear cut answer for your question. I've grown up Baptist, and you can find a wide spectrum just in Baptists. Some are reformed (although even that term can mean different things to different people) and some are decidedly NOT. Some Baptist churches lean more towards emergent, and others NOT! I think every denomination varies on beliefs/leanings. IMHO, very few topics are "deal breakers" to me. I'm not going to tell someone they're wrong unless it's a fundamental belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevilla Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Not-Reformed: Methodist, Episcopal, Nazarene, Assemblies of God, Vineyard (I think), other charismatic churches (generally speaking), Weslyan, some Baptist (this varies WIDELY - you'd need to ask at the particular baptist church their stance on reformed or not). I'm sure there are more - but those are the first that I know of :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Hazarding a guess from personal experience here: Free Methodist, United Methodist, Wesleyan, Nazarene, Evangelical Free Church, and possibly The Churches of God Anderson, Indiana affiliation. But, as far as emergent church (which isn't really a denomination but a rather pervasive philosophical approach), I'd say that amongst any denomination that is not R.C., EO, or RCA, you could possibly encounter some emergent church type practices. We attended a Free Methodist church, briefly, that appeared to be headed that direction yet that is not the common practice or belief of the denomination itself. I hope others will be able to answer you more thoroughly. Faith (out of hiding for now...we'll see how it goes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevilla Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 (edited) Evangelical Free Church E-Free churches tend toward reformed in doctrine. They're not Weslyan/Arminian/charismatic by any stretch, and you won't find the Reformed Elements like liturgical/church calendar/infant baptism. However, doctrinally they tend toward Calvinism (i'd give them an average of 3/5 points of TULIP adherence ;)). Edited January 1, 2011 by Sevilla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milovany Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Eastern Orthodox is not considered a denomination (not sure if that matters to the OP, so that's why I mention it), and is most assuredly not reformed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairProspects Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 Okay, this is making sense. We have gravitated toward several of these denominations in our life anyway. We attend a Nazarene church, do AWANAS at a Baptist church, and ds goes to a Methodist preschool I love. What does liturgical mean? Can one be liturgical and not reformed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairProspects Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 Eastern Orthodox is not considered a denomination (not sure if that matters to the OP, so that's why I mention it), and is most assuredly not reformed. Is that similar Catholicism? A catholic friend and I do seem to share some similar beliefs, although not about the Pope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Does the counter-reformation of the Catholic church count as "reformed?" What do these terms mean? Total Depravity Irresistible Grace Limited Atonement Unconditional Election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forty-two Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 What does liturgical mean? Can one be liturgical and not reformed? Yes :). Lutherans, RCC, and EO are all liturgical but not Reformed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susankenny Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Yes :). Lutherans, RCC, and EO are all liturgical but not Reformed. Same with Methodist, right? They're not reformed but do follow a liturgical calendar. Susan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forty-two Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Same with Methodist, right? They're not reformed but do follow a liturgical calendar. Susan Methodists aren't reformed, but I have no idea if they are liturgical as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairProspects Posted January 1, 2011 Author Share Posted January 1, 2011 What do these terms mean? Total Depravity Irresistible Grace Limited Atonement Unconditional Election. These are from the TULIP doctrine of the Reformed discussion. I got them from this website posted by Heather in NC: http://www.reformed.org/calvinism/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevilla Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Yes, Methodists and Episcopal/Anglican churches are also liturgical but not Reformed. Liturgical just means that you follow the Church Calendar, have certain elements of the service said/done in every service, use symbolism like candles/incense at key parts of worship, and most likely practice infant baptism and celebrate Communion every Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 These are from the TULIP doctrine of the Reformed discussion. I got them from this website posted by Heather in NC: http://www.reformed.org/calvinism/index.html Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcconnellboys Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Some smaller, country congregations might not adher as closely to a liturgical calendar, but it is there and is followed more closely, in general, by the larger city churches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnM Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 There are many non-denominational churches that are not reformed but are also not emergent. Bible Churches, Community Churches, and just general non-denominational churches can be reformed, but typically are not. Other denominations don't take a firm stand one way or the other and may have some reformed members, I am thinking of Christian and Missionary Alliance, Southern Baptist, and many of the smaller denominations. Methodism is founded on John Wesley, who was a follower of James Arminius's teaching (hence the term Armenian). Free Methodists broke off from the Methodists (who are now called United Methodists) a long time back and as a whole, tend to be far more conservative than the United Methodists. Wesleyan Methodists are also more conservative. Nazarenes fall in there as well as a smaller denomination called the Missionary Church.....there are others, but those are the better known ones. I think a Wesleyan thread needs to be started by someone.....we ARE Christians too! ;-) Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
love2read Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox are not reformed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margo out of lurking Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 What denominations are not considered Reformed but are not Emergent? (They always seem to be juxtaposed these days!) Calvary Chapels stand somewhere between Calvinism and Arminianism. Coming from a CC background and having left our local CC church, it's been a real struggle to find a new conservative yet relaxed!) church. We're not charismatic, are leery of the larger denominations, and were surprised to find how many churches are reformed. While we live in a metro area of 300,000, we are driving an hour away to another CC church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deacongirl Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 There are many non-denominational churches that are not reformed but are also not emergent. Bible Churches, Community Churches, and just general non-denominational churches can be reformed, but typically are not. Other denominations don't take a firm stand one way or the other and may have some reformed members, I am thinking of Christian and Missionary Alliance, Southern Baptist, and many of the smaller denominations. Methodism is founded on John Wesley, who was a follower of James Arminius's teaching (hence the term Armenian). Free Methodists broke off from the Methodists (who are now called United Methodists) a long time back and as a whole, tend to be far more conservative than the United Methodists. Wesleyan Methodists are also more conservative. Nazarenes fall in there as well as a smaller denomination called the Missionary Church.....there are others, but those are the better known ones. I think a Wesleyan thread needs to be started by someone.....we ARE Christians too! ;-) Dawn Some stuff on Methodism that I posted on another thread, just reposting here now: I thought this article titled "The Triumph of Arminianism" was interesting. http://www.crivoice.org/arminianism.html and a chart comparing TULIP Calvinism to Wesley's perspective: http://www.crivoice.org/tulip.html and this piece was helpful to me as well: http://www.crivoice.org/freedom.html God’s Foreknowledge, Predestination, and Human Freedom "All this is to say that for Wesleyans, the whole issue is dealt with on a different level than trying to preserve some logical construct about the sovereignty of God as an absolute category of His being. The question would be: How does God demonstrate His sovereignty to humanity? There in specific reference to the issue of human freedom, I would respond that God demonstrated His sovereignty in an act of grace by granting to humanity their freedom to choose (Wesley called this "prevenient grace"), knowing that that freedom to choose could be used to choose something other than Him. In our human understanding, there is no greater expression of love than to grant another person the freedom to choose, as any parent who has raised a child understands all too well. We cannot grant something that is not ours to give. And yet God chose to give away part of His sovereignty for the sake of authentic and real human freedom. For me, logically, if God (or the Devil!) is "in control" then humans are not authentically free, and therefore are not accountable or responsible. That does not eliminate God being able to work out His purposes in the world, or to bring about an ultimate and final reconciliation of all Creation to Himself, as Paul eloquently expresses in Romans. Nor does it interfere with His providential care for humanity. But it does mean that human decision can thwart God’s purposes in the world, and we can choose the creature over the Creator. That choice is not without consequences, but it is a genuine choice." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 So, thanks to the religion threads dh and I have discussed our theology and while we do agree with Total Depravity and Irresistible Grace, we do not believe in Limited Atonement or Unconditional Election. What denominations are not considered Reformed but are not Emergent? (They always seem to be juxtaposed these days!) I don't think there's a clear cut answer for your question. I've grown up Baptist, and you can find a wide spectrum just in Baptists. Some are reformed (although even that term can mean different things to different people) and some are decidedly NOT. Some Baptist churches lean more towards emergent, and others NOT! I think every denomination varies on beliefs/leanings. IMHO, very few topics are "deal breakers" to me. I'm not going to tell someone they're wrong unless it's a fundamental belief. Not-Reformed: Methodist, Episcopal, Nazarene, Assemblies of God, Vineyard (I think), other charismatic churches (generally speaking), Weslyan, some Baptist (this varies WIDELY - you'd need to ask at the particular baptist church their stance on reformed or not). I'm sure there are more - but those are the first that I know of :). I've known quite a few Baptist churches that believe in predestination and/or dominionism (either by a narrow or more wide definition), especially Southern Baptist churches. A few charismatic churches also preach dominionism. You have to be very careful because some groups use subtle terminology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanne in ABQ Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Seventh-day Adventists are definitely not reformed. They do have missions and are big on evangelism. Does that make them evangelical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwka Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 In a strict sense, only Catholics and Orthodox are not reformed, they are pre-Reformation :-) - all Protestants protested and wanted to reform smth they considered erroneous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8circles Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 (edited) The Evangelical Covenant Church www.covchurch.org is not Reformed although my dad is a strict Calvinist & raised us in the Covenant Church without any issue. The denomination came out of the Lutheran Pietist movement in Sweden & used to be called Mission Friends (I think). Edited January 2, 2011 by momoflaw fix link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzanne in ABQ Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 In a strict sense, only Catholics and Orthodox are not reformed, they are pre-Reformation :-) - all Protestants protested and wanted to reform smth they considered erroneous. Actually, what you describe would be reformed in the general sense, not "Reformed" in the strict sense. There are specific tenets within Protestant beliefs that define the "Reformed" doctrines. We could get even more general and say that the Roman Catholic church is reformed (lower case "r") in the general sense because they made changes that the rest of Christendom didn't want to follow. Those who didn't want to follow the Roman changes became known as Orthodox. But, the OP is referring to the Reformed doctrines, spelled with a capital letter, defined by John Calvin, and not adopted by "Armenians", who are defined by Reformed believers as anyone who is not "Reformed". It has little to do with the original Reformation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 The United Church of Christ is not Reformed, which is some ways is ironic as it can trace its history back to the Puritans, who most definitely were. :tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrissiK Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 I grew up Mennonite Brethren. Definitely not Reformed. My mom about had a heart attack when I told her I believed in predestination (We're Presbyterian now!). We don't discuss matters of theology.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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