Farrar Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'm sad that we won't be able to take advantage because my kids are too old, but there's a new Dragonbox app next week for preschool and early elementary math learners. My kids said, hey, new Dragonbox and we looked at it and... guess what it looks like? Cartoon Cuisenaire Rods! No joke. http://wewanttoknow.com/numbers/ 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeaganS Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Awesome. I was just looking to see if there was one today. I still have littles to take advantage of that too. Thanks. :) ETA: Yup, looks like a c-rod game. Too bad it doesn't use the same colors, or I might be swooning right now. Still cool though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 Awesome. I was just looking to see if there was one today. I still have littles to take advantage of that too. Thanks. :) ETA: Yup, looks like a c-rod game. Too bad it doesn't use the same colors, or I might be swooning right now. Still cool though. I had the same thought about the colors! Isn't orange the international standard color for ten?!? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slache Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The colors would absolutely drive John crazy. Plus, he would miss the cute girl from education unboxed that he definitely does not have a crush on. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEGway Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 How cool is that??!? Thanks, Farrar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syllieann Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Eek, I think I just peed myself a little. Would it be too drastic to paint my rods to match? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeaganS Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Eek, I think I just peed myself a little. Would it be too drastic to paint my rods to match? Haha, now there's an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 That would solve the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soror Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I had just bought the 12+dragon box and Elements yesterday and just vaguely seen something about it but didn't pay any attention. Going there now I'm trying to sign up as a Beta Tester and I can't get it to do anything, it would be perfect for my almost 6 year old. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Soror, thank you for saying that. I couldn't get the button to work either, and I figured it was my browser or something! Bummer about the colors, but maybe it's a copyright thing? Guess we'll look forward to trying it when it comes out next week! :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mergath Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I had the same thought about the colors! Isn't orange the international standard color for ten?!? Dd uses c-rods all the time and that would drive her nuts. I don't know why Dragonbox didn't just use the c-rod colors. I looked it up and while the word "Cuisinaire" is trademarked, it doesn't appear that there's any kind of patent for the c-rods themselves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandra Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I want this! But I agree about the colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Since the C-rods are so out of fashion generally, maybe it didn't occur to them to use the same colors? I mean, my guess is that we are literally the *only* group of people who will likely be annoyed by this. Or... is it actually possible that they weren't influenced by the C-rods? It seems really unlikely though - the picture puzzles look exactly like the really old beginning C-rod puzzles like the ones in this old book: http://www.amazon.com/Picture-Puzzles-with-Cuisenaire-Rods/dp/0201480085 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syllieann Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Maybe the beta testers could convince them to change the colors. Nudge, nudge soror. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slache Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Maybe the beta testers could convince them to change the colors. Nudge, nudge soror. Agreeing with this. I would buy it if the colors were right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renai Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Since the C-rods are so out of fashion generally, maybe it didn't occur to them to use the same colors? I mean, my guess is that we are literally the *only* group of people who will likely be annoyed by this. Or... is it actually possible that they weren't influenced by the C-rods? It seems really unlikely though - the picture puzzles look exactly like the really old beginning C-rod puzzles like the ones in this old book: http://www.amazon.com/Picture-Puzzles-with-Cuisenaire-Rods/dp/0201480085 Are they? In my little corner of the world (district), they are in almost every elementary classroom from prek through at least 1st or 2nd grade. Now, whether or not they are actually used... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Are they? In my little corner of the world (district), they are in almost every elementary classroom from prek through at least 1st or 2nd grade. Now, whether or not they are actually used... Oh! Well, that's lovely to hear! I hear of them in private schools sometimes, but since they're not integrated with any of the popular current programs, it seems like they're pretty out of fashion. But I'd love to be wrong. The middle school I worked at had bundles of them. But... private schools. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soror Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I got it to go through and applied as a Beta tester- fingers crossed :) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I wrote them at: support@wewanttoknow.com It couldn't hurt for people to ask for a change. Bill 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergath Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Maybe the beta testers could convince them to change the colors. Nudge, nudge soror. Or at least make it an option for people in the settings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amiesmom Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I wrote them at: [email protected]<script data-cfhash='f9e31' type="text/javascript"> /* */</script> It couldn't hurt for people to ask for a change. Bill Thanks, I sent an email too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeaganS Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I've signed up to hopefully be a beta tester too. The button didn't work yesterday but is working for me today. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I applied to be a beta tester and have sent them an email about their colours. Didn't they have someone from their company create an account at WTM one time when we were discussing Dragonbox? I'll try to look them up. If we can contact them through PM maybe they can read this thread and we can discuss the colour importance with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Found him! I sent a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lacostej Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Hello everybody! This is Jerome on behalf of WeWantToKnow. Thanks for bringing this conversation to our eyes :) With regard to the colors, if my memory is right, we started with the original Cuisenaire colors, and our very experienced lead graphist said that it wasn't rendering properly on screen. Physical world and digital world do not have the same properties. I'll try to get a more detailed answer for next week, and see what we can do about it. I gave a few of you access to the beta. It's getting a bit late here, so I will not be staying around much but will come back in the coming days. Feel free to ask more questions! And thanks again for your support! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeaganS Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I was approved to be a beta and in the 5-10 minutes my 7 year old and I have played with it so far, I'm a big fan. I explained them as "like the rods but different colors and called Nooms." She accepted that. I'm excited to see what else it will do. Especially for her. She struggles with number sense a lot. I can see all three of my girls enjoying it, despite their age range. Conversation just overheard between dd3 and dd7: dd3: "What's that called?" dd7: "It is Nooms. They are like monster rods." dd3: "Monster rods! That's so silly" Then they proceeded to giggle like they were in a commercial for the app or something and my 3 year old demanded I make her a profile too. So I'd say it certainly appeals to girls and those already familiar with rods. :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soror Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Hello everybody! This is Jerome on behalf of WeWantToKnow. Thanks for bringing this conversation to our eyes :) With regard to the colors, if my memory is right, we started with the original Cuisenaire colors, and our very experienced lead graphist said that it wasn't rendering properly on screen. Physical world and digital world do not have the same properties. I'll try to get a more detailed answer for next week, and see what we can do about it. I gave a few of you access to the beta. It's getting a bit late here, so I will not be staying around much but will come back in the coming days. Feel free to ask more questions! And thanks again for your support! So glad to see you stopped by, so sorry to see that I did not get an email to be a beta tester :( I look forward to updates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Hello everybody! This is Jerome on behalf of WeWantToKnow. Thanks for bringing this conversation to our eyes :) With regard to the colors, if my memory is right, we started with the original Cuisenaire colors, and our very experienced lead graphist said that it wasn't rendering properly on screen. Physical world and digital world do not have the same properties. I'll try to get a more detailed answer for next week, and see what we can do about it. I gave a few of you access to the beta. It's getting a bit late here, so I will not be staying around much but will come back in the coming days. Feel free to ask more questions! And thanks again for your support! Hey Jerome! I must say you guys have really delivered on the promise of making an app based learning tool that is fun, interactive, discovery-based, and effective. Most other maths apps thus far have been little more than "drill" wrapped up in a pretty picture. You guys have done something very unique, and dare I say, extraordinary! Well done. And thank you. As for the the idea of the Cuisenaire colors not rendering properly onscreen, that is ridiculous. Sorry, but I work in the world of digital video and digital arts, and can tell you beyond question that you can render colors that approximate the C Rod color scheme very easily on all digital platforms. I'm flabbergasted that a "very experienced lead graphic artist" would tell you such a thing, as it is patently untrue. I love what you all do. It is genius. But that is a dumb "excuse." Warmest regards, Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergath Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Hey Jerome! I must say you guys have really delivered on the promise of making an app based learning tool that is fun, interactive, discovery-based, and effective. Most other maths apps thus far have been little more than "drill" wrapped up in a pretty picture. You guys have done something very unique, and dare I say, extraordinary! Well done. And thank you. As for the the idea of the Cuisenaire colors not rendering properly onscreen, that is ridiculous. Sorry, but I work in the world of digital video and digital arts, and can tell you beyond question that you can render colors that approximate the C Rod color scheme very easily on all digital platforms. I'm flabbergasted that a "very experienced lead graphic artist" would tell you such a thing, as it is patently untrue. I love what you all do. It is genius. But that is a dumb "excuse." Warmest regards, Bill :iagree: If your tech people can't render colors like white, black, and red, you might want to look into getting some new tech people. ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yes, if the colors matched Cuisinaire Rods, I'd buy this in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinspired Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 This app truly would be perfect in cuisenaire colors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 This looks great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooksandBoys Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yes, I'll buy this in a heartbeat if the colors can match the C-rods! I'm a math tutor who uses rods in my tutoring. It would be great to have a game to request my tutoring parents to purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Hi Jerome, Thanks for joining our discussion and providing beta access to several of us. I spent a couple of hours playing Numbers last night, and it is a really fun game. I will provide most of my feedback through the beta channels, but I will address the colours issue here as it pertains to this discussion. It is extremely confusing to me having essentially random colours for the Nooms. Even after two hours of play I kept thinking the red was two and the green was three. I successfully learned one, five and ten, but six through eight I still have no idea. I do remember nine as my husband immaturely referred to it as the "poo Noom" (long brown rounded shape) and I now can't think of it any other way. I would be very reluctant to let my children play the game at this stage as I don't want to weaken the memory bonds they already have regarding the colours corresponding to numbers. Fortunately, if colours rendering is the issue, then we are in luck. The problem as I see it isn't that the colours get matched exactly. I personally don't care what shade gets used. What is important is that the number doesn't get assigned a colour that we already associate with a different number. Here are the colours you use: purple, yellow, red, green, grey, orange, blue, pink, brown, black Here is how I would assign them: 1 - grey 2 - red 3 - green 4 - purple 5 - yellow 6 - dark green (or pink if you cannot change any colours) 7 - black 8 - brown (and the 8 is a much better shape for brown) 9 - blue 10 - orange As you can see, the only colour you are not already using is dark green. Although I would prefer it to be the correct c-rod colour, if all other colours were correct I would allow my children to play because overall it would not be confusing. I understand you have a rapidly-approaching deadline and some changes aren't possible at this stage. One issue I see with changing colours is that the face for seven does not show up for black. You won't want to move ten's face because it has ten eyes and ten teeth. I would recommend switching the faces for seven and nine. That way, seven moves to nine and will still be blue with the same face. Nine's face moves to seven and becomes black. Most of the facial features would work with black, except the furrowed brow when the mouth is open and when blinking. May I suggest making those lines the same colour as the mouth. Thanks for coming to hear what we had to say. We are a passionate group, and we truly love your games! I think Numbers is wonderful already, but would be amazing with the c-rod colours. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrousel Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Another who will buy and recommend if thcolors are changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slache Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Spam reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renai Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Are you sure it wasn't talking about the merits of the new Dragonbox game? (well, only if Korean nightlife has something to do with it...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slache Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Are you sure it wasn't talking about the merits of the new Dragonbox game? (well, only if Korean nightlife has something to do with it...) Oh, shush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappytoHS Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 And another who definitely will buy if the colors are changed, but otherwise, unfortunately, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiverpoolFan Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I think my dd will be confused about the new color pattern. She has played with c-rods for months before naturally can match them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEGway Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Any word about when it will be available in the US at Amazon? We just have a kindle. And, apparently, my google skills are lacking today. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I got it this morning. DS has been playing it all morning. He loves it, but I agree that changing the colors to match c-rods would be a tremendous help and should be very easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittingout Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I am excited to see this. I might get it before our Thanksgiving travels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEGway Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Aha! It is at the Amazon App store, now, too! Huzzah! :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syllieann Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 My kids (and dh) have been playing all weekend. Dd hesitated with the colors at first, but made sense of it all within 30 seconds. She regularly uses rods with her mm. I guess the other characteristics like the eyes and length of the rod are more important to her. She said it doesn't matter to her what color the nooms are. Ods wasn't bothered by the colors at all, but he's been "off" rods for a couple years. Hope that helps anyone that might be hesitating because of the colors! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soror Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 #annoyed Am I the only one who didn't get approved to beta test? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syllieann Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 #annoyed Am I the only one who didn't get approved to beta test? I purchased the app; we're not beta testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stef03 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 #annoyed Am I the only one who didn't get approved to beta test? I wasn't approved either, I presume it's because it was too close to the app's release date. It looks like they weren't overly fussed about feedback anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soror Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I purchased the app; we're not beta testing Well, I guess I misread and didn't realize it was releasing here so soon, off to download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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