Χά�ων Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 OK. This is from a discussion elsewhere. The debate is between Kansas City BBQ and St. Louis BBQ. Please provide feedback on your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 KC has Oklahoma Joes. They win. KC is actually a barbecue town with distinct flavors and specialties. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 While I do love KC bbq, let's all remember that St. Louis style ribs are the gold standard for all bbq ribs anywhere, forever and ever, amen. Oh, and that heavenly goodness known as bbq pork steaks? Invented in STL. I guess KC has to have something, since everyone knows STL is the superior city in the big MO, so I'll give them their BBQ, knowing that I can get it, plus anything else I could ever want or need, in STL. :p 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Since when is St Louis known for its BBQ? This is like asking who has better burgers-the US or Egypt? ETA: I am on my phone, so please add silly smilies here. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 While I do love KC bbq, let's all remember that St. Louis style ribs are the gold standard for all bbq ribs anywhere, forever and ever, amen. Memphis has the best pork ribs, IMO. Keep in mind that KC BBQ is mostly beef (my mouth is watering thinking of the brisket there). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Wife Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I don't have a dog in the fight since I grew up in New England and now live in CA, but I'd have to say that Texas is the best BBQ style. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Χά�ων Posted August 24, 2014 Author Share Posted August 24, 2014 Alright, who is the Vegan :toetap05: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Memphis has the best pork ribs, IMO. Keep in mind that KC BBQ is mostly beef (my mouth is watering thinking of the brisket there). Now see I think the best brisket in the world comes from Texas. And the best BBQ overall is pork. So it has been said, so it shall be. :hurray: 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Since when is St Louis known for its BBQ? This is like asking who has better burgers-the US or Egypt? ETA: I am on my phone, so please add silly smilies here. It's not, actually, except for pork steaks and ribs, which are both cuts and not styles so much. But SOMEONE has decided to pick a BBQ fight with me, so I'll battle til the bitter end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrairieSong Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Yep, Oklahoma Joe's in KC wins. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Χά�ων Posted August 24, 2014 Author Share Posted August 24, 2014 It's not, actually, except for pork steaks and ribs, which are both cuts and not styles so much. But SOMEONE has decided to pick a BBQ fight with me, so I'll battle til the bitter end! St. Louis BBQ is an oxymoron. I actually wonder if you are making the entire thing up. Prior to you mentioning it I had NEVER heard of St. Louis BBQ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I think there should be additional question asking where people have actually eaten BBQ. Me? California, Texas, Oklahoma, KC, Memphis, NC, SC. Well, and Hawaii, if you want to count Asian short ribs. IMO: Memphis wins for pork ribs SC wins for pulled pork KC wins for brisket Texas wins for beef ribs Side note: There is a fusion restaurant here in HI that makes a specific short rib, it is one of the best things I have ever eaten, which is saying something because I have eaten a lot of delicious food all over the world. But, I am not sure it counts as BBQ. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbecueMom Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I guess KC has to have something, since everyone knows STL is the superior city in the big MO, so I'll give them their BBQ, knowing that I can get it, plus anything else I could ever want or need, in STL. :p LOL. The Royals might actually make the postseason, so they have something going for them! I've had BBQ here and in KC, and as long as you don't suck at grilling, it tastes just as good made at home (as long as you make your own sauce). I didn't think Oklahoma Joes was worth standing in the rain in a gas station parking lot for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Χά�ων Posted August 24, 2014 Author Share Posted August 24, 2014 I have never eaten at Oklahoma Joes. Seem A road trip is called for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 While I do love KC bbq, let's all remember that St. Louis style ribs are the gold standard for all bbq ribs anywhere, forever and ever, amen. Oh, and that heavenly goodness known as bbq pork steaks? Invented in STL. I guess KC has to have something, since everyone knows STL is the superior city in the big MO, so I'll give them their BBQ, knowing that I can get it, plus anything else I could ever want or need, in STL. :p KC is known for Burnt Ends. Burnt Ends are the greatest thing ever. I can't even get them here in stupid SC. What is wrong with you SC!!! And Oklahoma Joes is in *Kansas* on the *Kansas* side of the state line. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantlion Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 KC hands down. Gates Haywards- used to work right around from one location. Yum. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Χά�ων Posted August 24, 2014 Author Share Posted August 24, 2014 A tour of KC 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I have never eaten at Oklahoma Joes. Seem A road trip is called for. It is in Kansas City Kansas, in a gas station. It is on Anthony Bourdain's list of "must visit" restaurants. When I lived in KC we would actually go there while it was snowing or the tornado sirens were going off in order to avoid a line. :lol: LOL. The Royals might actually make the postseason, so they have something going for them! I've had BBQ here and in KC, and as long as you don't suck at grilling, it tastes just as good made at home (as long as you make your own sauce). I didn't think Oklahoma Joes was worth standing in the rain in a gas station parking lot for. On one occasion we were standing in line while the tornado sirens were going off while complaining among everyone else in line about only going there during a storm because we thought there wouldn't be a line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I didn't think Oklahoma Joes was worth standing in the rain in a gas station parking lot for. Heresy! (Not to be confused with hearsay.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I have never eaten at Oklahoma Joes. Seem A road trip is called for.Depending upon the length of your road trip, I would also suggest The BBQ Shop in Memphis. http://www.dancingpigs.com 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantlion Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Bryants is another one. My dad used to bring home his leftover lunch from work. Another yum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMommy Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 STL really is known to have good BBQ. However, I hate pork steaks (please don't stone me!), so I'm not a fan. Plus, I'd walk to KC to eat burnt ends...so amazing. St. Louis has Pappy's, though, so it's really hard to choose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I MISS YOU BURNT ENDS!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantlion Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 St Louis has Lion's Choice (fast food Roast Beef). My son would trade you a BBQ joint for a Lion's Choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbecueMom Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 St Louis has Lion's Choice (fast food Roast Beef). My son would trade you a BBQ joint for a Lion's Choice. He can have it!!! Lion's Choice is disgusting! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Χά�ων Posted August 24, 2014 Author Share Posted August 24, 2014 Just an FYI KC is having an Ikea open September 10th in case anyone needs to justify a road trip to KC for something other than BBQ. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 Just an FYI KC is having an Ikea open September 10th in case anyone needs to justify a road trip to KC for something other than BBQ. I don't think I could get furniture back on the plane. The rules are so strict these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I don't think I could get furniture back on the plane. The rules are so strict these days. #youreruiningmylife #helphelpimbeingoppressed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Χά�ων Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 I don't think I could get furniture back on the plane. The rules are so strict these days. Drive a car. Take a train. Charter a plane. Just do not drive 70 through Kansas. Take 50 instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrairieSong Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 KC hands down. Gates Haywards- used to work right around from one location. Yum. Oh yes, I've been to Gates, too. Yum. Haven't been to Haywards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Drive a car. Take a train. Do you have a James Bond style submarine car available so that I can drive across the Pacific Ocean? Given how long it took them to build the Chunnel, I don't see much hope for a train. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Χά�ων Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 Do you have a James Bond style submarine car available so that I can drive across the Pacific Ocean? Given how long it took them to build the Chunnel, I don't see much hope for a train. Why am I thinking you live in California? Charter a plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrairieSong Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Drive a car. Take a train. Charter a plane. Just do not drive 70 through Kansas. Take 50 instead. Take any road that goes through the Flint Hills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkyandtheBrains. Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Do you have a James Bond style submarine car available so that I can drive across the Pacific Ocean? Given how long it took them to build the Chunnel, I don't see much hope for a train. Maybe you could find instructions on ikea hack to build one? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Χά�ων Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 Maybe you could find instructions on ikea hack to build one? There is an idea! And make sure you make the seats a wee bit wider. You will need the extra space after the BBQ. Helpful hint: Do not wear a new white blouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Why am I thinking you live in California? Charter a plane. Haha, I am in Hawaii. But, IKEA hacking a James Bond submarine car is an idea. Homeschool project? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkyandtheBrains. Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Haha, I am in Hawaii. But, IKEA hacking a James Bond submarine car is an idea. Homeschool project? Unit study covering a multitude of subjects! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I think there should be additional question asking where people have actually eaten BBQ. Me? California, Texas, Oklahoma, KC, Memphis, NC, SC. Well, and Hawaii, if you want to count Asian short ribs. IMO: Memphis wins for pork ribs SC wins for pulled pork KC wins for brisket Texas wins for beef ribs Side note: There is a fusion restaurant here in HI that makes a specific short rib, it is one of the best things I have ever eaten, which is saying something because I have eaten a lot of delicious food all over the world. But, I am not sure it counts as BBQ. I have eaten in most of those places, but also Arkansas. Arkansas has some serious BBQ as well. Also, in North Little Rock, a place called "Pig N Chick," it sounds bad but has really good BBQ. They have a cute little piggy on their shirts, the whole family has a t-shirt. I used to get an extra long layover when I flew through Memphis so I had time to enjoy BBQ at the airport. We never ate BBQ in St. Louis, although we did have Chicago style pizza there once. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I can't believe you are even asking this. Really. (And I say this, having lived multiple years in both cities.) (And I am saying this is a playful tone.) KC: Oklahoma Joes (the one just north of 119th and Nall is better than the one at 119th & Strang Line, fwiw) Arthur Bryant Gates Fiorella Jack Stack (Those are the big four, there are more.) St. Louis: ------- If this were a question about frozen custard, or about cardstock thick oily pizza cut into squares, I'd give it to St. Louis, but this is about BBQ, and BBQ is serious. Places with real bbq: Salt Lick (Texas) Memphis has a few restaurants KC 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alte Veste Academy Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I have eaten in most of those places, but also Arkansas. Arkansas has some serious BBQ as well. Yes! DH's grandparents lived in Hot Springs. McClard's is to die for! But overall, as a Texan, my conscience would not allow me to vote in a best BBQ poll that doesn't include TX. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Χά�ων Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 Yes! DH's grandparents lived in Hot Springs. McClard's is to die for! But overall, as a Texan, my conscience would not allow me to vote in a best BBQ poll that doesn't include TX. Pretend it is just a Missouri specific poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Pretend it is just a Missouri specific poll. KC is not only in Missouri. :( 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Χά�ων Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 KC is not only in Missouri. :( True but I am trying to make her feel better about voting, KWIM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Oklahoma Joe's is only on the KS side. ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Another argument against St. Louis: they use predominantly direct heat. West Texas does too. It's wrong, just wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Excuse me, but North Carolina has the best BBQ. It's the only state where they know to serve it with hush puppies. I will say I like a pit beef sandwich though, Baltimore style. Tennessee BBQ is, of course, also excellent. I have never eaten BBQ in Texas, only had various outside of Texas "Texas BBQ's" so I feel like I have to withhold judgment there. Oh, Chinese BBQ is also really good, like southern Chinese style on a stick. Now I'm being really outside the box though... But KC or St. Louis? I have no idea what we're even discussing here. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Another argument against St. Louis: they use predominantly direct heat. West Texas does too. It's wrong, just wrong. *gasp* I was not aware of that! Blasphemy! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Χά�ων Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 But KC or St. Louis? I have no idea what we're even discussing here. Seriously? I say this with love but do you live under a rock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Seriously? I say this with love but do you live under a rock? I am aware that Kansas City BBQ is a thing, but I've never seen it served anywhere really so I don't know how I would have it. If you go to get BBQ anywhere on the east coast, it's usually termed "Texas" or "NC" style or it's local to the place where you are - there's South Carolina BBQ and Georgia BBQ (I grew up in Georgia, but I do not hold with that BBQ, which is not very good) and even, as I mentioned, a sort of Maryland pit style. I've lived up north, but not seen BBQ served other than a generic sort. I've been to KC once, just passing through. I've traveled pretty well in the US, but not in the midwest much at all. I've never even heard of St. Louis having a BBQ culture. Basically, I don't think people outside Texas and the midwest associate BBQ with St. Louis at all and I doubt that most people on the east coast have tried KC style BBQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Χά�ων Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 I am aware that Kansas City BBQ is a thing, but I've never seen it served anywhere really so I don't know how I would have it. If you go to get BBQ anywhere on the east coast, it's usually termed "Texas" or "NC" style or it's local to the place where you are - there's South Carolina BBQ and Georgia BBQ (I grew up in Georgia, but I do not hold with that BBQ, which is not very good) and even, as I mentioned, a sort of Maryland pit style. I've lived up north, but not seen BBQ served other than a generic sort. I've been to KC once, just passing through. I've traveled pretty well in the US, but not in the midwest much at all. I've never even heard of St. Louis having a BBQ culture. Basically, I don't think people outside Texas and the midwest associate BBQ with St. Louis at all and I doubt that most people on the east coast have tried KC style BBQ. To be fair I think the only people who associate BBQ with St. Louis are those who are from or live in St. Louis. The rest of us know they do not know BBQ. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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