JumpyTheFrog Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Both The Wartburg Watch and the Huffington Post are reporting on Kevin Swanson's latest over-the-top statements...ones that we in the real world would call lies (or at best, extreme ignorance). I'm beginning to get some evidence from certain doctors and certain scientists that have done research on women’s wombs after they’ve gone through the surgery, and they’ve compared the wombs of women who were on the birth control pill to those who were not on the birth control pill. And they have found that with women who are on the birth control pill, there are these little tiny fetuses, these little babies, that are embedded into the womb. They’re just like dead babies. They’re on the inside of the womb. And these wombs of women who have been on the birth control pill effectively have become graveyards for lots and lots of little babies. Notice how vague he is: "certain doctors" - not named "certain scientists" - not named, speciality isn't mentioned either "the surgery" - what surgery? Which birth control pill? There are many formulations with different hormones and dosages, not to mention patches, rings, shots, IUDS. How do these women not die of infection? How do these so-called "dead babies" not get flushed out with menstruation? The whole idea is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Dup. Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 What an insane man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PachiSusan Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I have never heard that before, but I do know that the low hormone birth control pills allow for breakthrough ovulation more than the higher dose ones therefore allowing conception and maybe even implantation, but the uterine lining is made hostile to the embryo causing a very early abortion. This is a known action of the pill. I don't agree with what he says here. I think it's going way too far to prove a point that it is a life, which I do agree - but not as he says it. It's physically impossible for that to happen. The very next menses would have cleared the lining and with it the fetus. People like this make pro-life people like me look like idiots. :( He does not speak for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergath Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Oh, good grief. *snort* I've been on birth control for years, since I was fifteen. It's funny that when they did an ultrasound a few months back to check my abdomen when I had an ovarian cyst rupture that they didn't pick up on that. Or when I had an emergency c-section with dd and the OB was actually staring into my uterus. Really, you'd think someone would have noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyDays Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 That's... disturbing. And ridiculous. I'm with Susan here... it's going much too far to prove a point. Look, I know there are varying opinions on hormonal birth control. But when you're making "scientific" claims that you simply can't back up, you lose all credibility. Not that it sounds like this guy had much to begin with. :glare: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest inoubliable Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Great googly moogly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 He manages to evoke a truly grisly image, albeit absolutely ridiculous. I've been on BCP for 19 years, minus pregnancies, three months before one pregnancy, and one month before the other. I've had multiple ultrasounds, both during pregnancy and to check on cysts. No fetus graveyard in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom-ninja. Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Thanks for the laugh. What a joke of a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forget-Me-Not Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 This guy has a radio program? Who sponsors such a thing? Good grief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpyTheFrog Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 I think it's going way too far to prove a point that it is a life, which I do agree - but not as he says it. It's physically impossible for that to happen. The very next menses would have cleared the lining and with it the fetus. I really, really doubt that his point is that an embyro is a life. I think he is one of those people with an extreme agenda that will latch on to anything that supports his view. The Huffington Post article mentioned his fear-mongering that if Colorado allows civil unions or gay marriage, within ten years CPS will be taking away kids from homeschooling families and forcing them to live with gay couples that are members of NAMBLA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpyTheFrog Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 This guy has a radio program? I think it's really more of a podcast. At least, I hope it's merely a podcast. Even worse, he's a guest speaker at many homeschooling conferences! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mergath Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I really, really doubt that his point is that an embyro is a life. I think he is one of those people with an extreme agenda that will latch on to anything that supports his view. The Huffington Post article mentioned his fear-mongering that if Colorado allows civil unions or gay marriage, within ten years CPS will be taking away kids from homeschooling families and forcing them to live with gay couples that are members of NAMBLA. Is this the same guy? Figures. Nothing like making up absolute nonsense when the facts don't line up with your fear-mongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpyTheFrog Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 Thanks for the laugh. What a joke of a man. I wish I could laugh at it. Unfortunately, he's one of many men in the homeschooling movement that wants to turn America into a theocracy (run by them, of course). Funny, I missed the part where Jesus said to use the sword to force your neighbors to obey your interpretation of the Bible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PachiSusan Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I really, really doubt that his point is that an embyro is a life. I think he is one of those people with an extreme agenda that will latch on to anything that supports his view. The Huffington Post article mentioned his fear-mongering that if Colorado allows civil unions or gay marriage, within ten years CPS will be taking away kids from homeschooling families and forcing them to live with gay couples that are members of NAMBLA. I try really hard to not judge a movement by the fringe crazies...and that he is. This man actually makes me angry and he's shooting the rational people in the foot who do believe that life is life from conception. :cursing: :cursing: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyDays Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Yeah, after reading the HufPo article, I'm even less impressed. His ideas are out there, to say the least. It floors me that he's a "beacon" of the homeschooling community.... this guy, and others like him, are why so many people think Christians and homeschoolers are whackadoodles. It's sad, because I don't know anyone IRL who ascribes to these beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsheresomewhere Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Between this and the nut Pat comments this week, it just makes my eyes roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amber in SJ Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Hands of a Child has a great lapbook about human reproduction on sale this week. Someone should send him one. Clearly he is a little fuzzy on the whole process. Amber in SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misty.warden Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I try really hard to not judge a movement by the fringe crazies...and that he is. This man actually makes me angry and he's shooting the rational people in the foot who do believe that life is life from conception. :cursing: :cursing: This. I'm constantly fighting my more liberal friends to understand that these people are not our spokesperson, just another person. Interesting aside, I haven't found as much coverage given to the fringe crazies on the pro-choice side. They definitely exist, but are not usually the first Google search result like the pro-life ones tend to be, KWIM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PachiSusan Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Yeah, after reading the HufPo article, I'm even less impressed. His ideas are out there, to say the least. It floors me that he's a "beacon" of the homeschooling community.... this guy, and others like him, are why so many people think Christians and homeschoolers are whackadoodles. It's sad, because I don't know anyone IRL who ascribes to these beliefs. EXACTLY!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoxcell Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Who is this guy? I have never heard of him before. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 If this is true, I'm sure there is tons of scientific evidence to back it up. . . . . ? I too am very pro-life but I've pretty much given up trying to have a conversation about it. People always bring up the crazy extremes from both sides. I just put up my "bullsh!t deflector." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMamaBird Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Great googly moogly. :laugh: Watching Phineas and Ferb right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest inoubliable Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 :laugh: Watching Phineas and Ferb right now! Hahaha. I didn't know that was said on that show! I had to ask my DS12 "what's "great googly moogly" got to do with Phineas and Ferb?". I've never seen the show, but I grew up with my Da saying that phrase all the time! And now DS12 is saying "wow, mom. Way to pay attention to what we watch on TV...". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpyTheFrog Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 It's sad, because I don't know anyone IRL who ascribes to these beliefs. Consider yourself lucky! I don't know anyone who is quite as extreme, but I know quite a few that are 80-90% of the way there (at my former church) and several of those families are on the board of our state homeschooling group and help pick the speakers for our conventions. What can we homeschoolers, Christian or not, collectively do to let these extremists know that they don't speak for us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom-ninja. Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Why do I predict that this man will be involved in a scandal in the future? Same old story. I see it coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PachiSusan Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Consider yourself lucky! I don't know anyone who is quite as extreme, but I know quite a few that are 80-90% of the way there (at my former church) and several of those families are on the board of our state homeschooling group and help pick the speakers for our conventions. What can we homeschoolers, Christian or not, collectively do to let these extremists know that they don't speak for us? We don't support them financially and we do not frequent their talks or vote them into any position of authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpyTheFrog Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 We don't support them financially and we do not frequent their talks or vote them into any position of authority. I agree with these. However, most of these loons aren't voted on by we regular people, from what I can tell. They appoint themselves our spokesmen. (The more of this craziness I read about, the more I understand how moderate Muslims might feel about the extremists that try to say they practice "true Islam.") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MommaOfalotta Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Never heard of this guy before... but this is the craziest and most disturbing thing I've ever heard. :eek: :confused1: Uck, horrible and extremely bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misty.warden Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Shouldn't have read the HuffPo article and then googled. I thought NAMBLA was a South Park joke... *backing away slowly* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpyTheFrog Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 ThatMom reported in March 2011 about the secret meetings various self-appointed homeschool "leaders" had in Illinois about a proposed homeschooling regulation there. In the comments she stated: "HSLDA was also one of the sponsors, along with Kevin Swanson, of the 2009 Leadership Summit in Indianapolis where they established an agenda for the future for homeschoolers. Only dads and sons could attend; they purposefully excluded homeschooling moms who do the bulk of the education of their children." That's the same Kevin Swanson who is ranting about "womb tombs" and "CPS is going to take our kids away and make them live with gay pedophiles." Here's a post on the 2009 Leadership Summit. Key goals were: abolish the public school system abolish all private schools (including religious schools) abolish CPS discourage women from reading or running blogs (because it's all "gossip") forbid daughters from receiving any vocational training and keeping them at home until marriage ThatMom's blog also has some podcasts about the "leadership" summit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMamaBird Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Hahaha. I didn't know that was said on that show! I had to ask my DS12 "what's "great googly moogly" got to do with Phineas and Ferb?". I've never seen the show, but I grew up with my Da saying that phrase all the time! And now DS12 is saying "wow, mom. Way to pay attention to what we watch on TV...". It's an exclamation that Major Monogram says, usually about once an episode. All I could see in my head was your avatar and the cartoon's deep voice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qqH40jUE3Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandra Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 ThatMom reported in March 2011 about the secret meetings various self-appointed homeschool "leaders" had in Illinois about a proposed homeschooling regulation there. In the comments she stated: That's the same Kevin Swanson who is ranting about "womb tombs" and "CPS is going to take our kids away and make them live with gay pedophiles." Here's a post on the 2009 Leadership Summit. Key goals were: abolish the public school system abolish all private schools (including religious schools) abolish CPS discourage women from reading or running blogs (because it's all "gossip") forbid daughters from receiving any vocational training and keeping them at home until marriage ThatMom's blog also has some podcasts about the "leadership" summit. Oh, my. This guy makes Westboro Baptist look liberal. I had never heard of him before, but there are lots of links out there: http://www.huffingto..._n_2625101.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest inoubliable Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 It's an exclamation that Major Monogram says, usually about once an episode. All I could see in my head was your avatar and the cartoon's deep voice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qqH40jUE3Y Bwahahaha! That sounded just like my Da! My parents will be here tomorrow for the weekend. I'm going to have the hardest time not bursting into giggles around my Da now. I'll see *that* cartoon character every time he talks now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spryte Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 That is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PachiSusan Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 This brings up something for me. I have always admired and supported what the HSDL has done for home schooling. Are they part of this agenda or unknowingly supported this whacko agenda? Here's a post on the 2009 Leadership Summit. Key goals were:abolish the public school system abolish all private schools (including religious schools) abolish CPS discourage women from reading or running blogs (because it's all "gossip") forbid daughters from receiving any vocational training and keeping them at home until marriage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amber in SJ Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I thought "Great Googly Moogly" came from Maggie and the Ferocious Beast. I loved that show. Amber in SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan Wise Bauer Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Yeah, after reading the HufPo article, I'm even less impressed. His ideas are out there, to say the least. It floors me that he's a "beacon" of the homeschooling community.... this guy, and others like him, are why so many people think Christians and homeschoolers are whackadoodles. It's sad, because I don't know anyone IRL who ascribes to these beliefs. "Beacon"? I have never heard of this guy. Probably he hasn't heard of me either, so we're most likely even. But he isn't beaconing very brightly into the sane part of the movement. Maybe I need to get out more. SWB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I don't think you claim someone is a fringe loony when they are invited to speak at conferences and to speak FOR homeschoolers on policy issues. I don't see Westboro being invited to homeschool conferences. Swanson is a regular on the circuit. But, as we saw from the Great Kerfuffle, many people that the outside think of as "fringe" are beloved martyrdom mascots in many circles. That is why so many of us long for a secular or at least education-based conference. But, NOoooooooo, the Great Kerfuffle only succeeded in conferences trying to out-fringe each other. Sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 "Beacon"? I have never heard of this guy. Probably he hasn't heard of me either, so we're most likely even. But he isn't beaconing very brightly into the sane part of the movement. Maybe I need to get out more. SWB The sane part of the movement is rapidly losing ground. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan Wise Bauer Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 The sane part of the movement is rapidly losing ground. :( I hear you, but let me suggest that this depends on where the "ground" is. The home school "movement" has always been incredibly difficult to outline and define. The sane part of the movement hasn't been invited to CHEC for at least nine years. (Hmm, now that I consider it, probably Kevin Swanson *does* know who I am.) But meanwhile, more and more home educators are coming into the "movement" from outside the hyper-conservative, Kerfluffle-prone convention circuit. They don't know that the circuit exists, to be frank. They are teachers, writers, publishing people, artists, performers, professional people of all kinds, whose circle of connection continues to be with other teachers, writers, publishing people, artists, performers, etc. Home education is part of their lives, not the organizing center of their mission to the world. That makes them hard to find, and hard to quantify. SWB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpyTheFrog Posted February 7, 2013 Author Share Posted February 7, 2013 Are they [HSLDA] part of this agenda or unknowingly supported this whacko agenda? I don't see how they could be completely ignorant of it. They'd have to bury their heads in the sand to not know about the agendas of people like Kevin Swanson, Doug Phillips, etc. These people have "infiltrated" and taken over the state support groups, homeschooling conferences, and other Christian conferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateReignRemix Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 The sane part of the movement is rapidly losing ground. :( Sadly, I don't see that improving anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan Wise Bauer Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Sadly, I don't see that improving anytime soon. Well, I don't know. You guys are here. And this is still one of the busiest home school forums around. That is meaningful. SWB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DianeW88 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 His assertions are not even medically possible. At all. Really, it's :smilielol5: And Kevin Swanson is (or used to be) the head of CHEC in Colorado. The man has single-handedly turned what used to be a fabulous yearly homeschool convention into a travesty. Last year they would not allow Sonlight to exhibit there because they weren't "Christian" enough. Sonlight. Seriously. :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PachiSusan Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 "Beacon"? I have never heard of this guy. Probably he hasn't heard of me either, so we're most likely even. But he isn't beaconing very brightly into the sane part of the movement. Maybe I need to get out more. SWB Thank you for weighing in on this. If you, who are very involved in the home education movement have not heard of him, there's hope he's not as big as HuffPo want us to believe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 I hear you, but let me suggest that this depends on where the "ground" is. The home school "movement" has always been incredibly difficult to outline and define. The sane part of the movement hasn't been invited to CHEC for at least nine years. (Hmm, now that I consider it, probably Kevin Swanson *does* know who I am.) But meanwhile, more and more home educators are coming into the "movement" from outside the hyper-conservative, Kerfluffle-prone convention circuit. They don't know that the circuit exists, to be frank. They are teachers, writers, publishing people, artists, performers, professional people of all kinds, whose circle of connection continues to be with other teachers, writers, publishing people, artists, performers, etc. Home education is part of their lives, not the organizing center of their mission to the world. That makes them hard to find, and hard to quantify. SWB Agreed. It is just that another impending move has me worried about finding appropriate support networks. It is rough out there when you are constantly testing new waters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Well, I don't know. You guys are here. And this is still one of the busiest home school forums around. That is meaningful. SWB And this board is how I found my best friend and my eldest dd's best friend when we moved back here. I cannot express how much I appreciate this haven of sanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan Wise Bauer Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Thank you for weighing in on this. If you, who are very involved in the home education movement have not heard of him, there's hope he's not as big as HuffPo want us to believe... He's not. :) HuffPo is smart about their marketing, tho. And the stories that will get reposted by the horrified. Got to admire that, in its own way. SWB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PachiSusan Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 He's not. :) HuffPo is smart about their marketing, tho. And the stories that will get reposted by the horrified. Got to admire that, in its own way. SWB That's why I actually don't count them in my "trusted news source" hand bag. A lot of things to read, not all "news" or "newsworthy". I am one that is very disheartened that news is not news anymore, but opinion and agenda. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantlion Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 What a sad little man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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