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More hydroxychloraquine: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html

Syntax/grammar tangent: ...”helps coronavirus patients survive better...” Survive better? Such awkward phrasing. 

I continue to think everything surrounding this drug is fishy and someone, or some groups, are manipulating public beliefs about this drug for some self-interest, though I admit I am not certain who or what self-interest precisely. 

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5 hours ago, Quill said:

More hydroxychloraquine: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html

Syntax/grammar tangent: ...”helps coronavirus patients survive better...” Survive better? Such awkward phrasing. 

I continue to think everything surrounding this drug is fishy and someone, or some groups, are manipulating public beliefs about this drug for some self-interest, though I admit I am not certain who or what self-interest precisely. 


Thanks for linking that. There are quite a few issues with the Detroit study, including the fact that the HCQ group were younger and healthier to begin with than the nontreatment group, the exclusion of 267 patients who were still in the hospital, and the much higher use of beneficial steroids in the HCQ group:

""Finally, concomitant steroid use in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine was more than double the non-treated group. This is relevant considering the recent RECOVERY trial that showed a mortality benefit with dexamethasone." The steroid dexamethasone can reduce inflammation in seriously ill patients.

Considering that the British study, which was a properly randomized clinical trial, found that steroids were very beneficial and HCQ was not, the Detroit data should be reanalyzed to determine how much of the benefit they saw in the HCQ group may have been attributable to the higher steroid use.  The problem with these retrospective studies of nonrandomized treatment outcomes is that the same factors that make patients not good candidates for HCQ also make them higher risk for dying of Covid, so the patients that get HCQ are often less likely to die regardless of treatment. 

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Effects of CV19 on brain cells:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/health/coronavirus-brain.html

A new study offers the first clear evidence that in some people, the coronavirus invades brain cells, hijacking them to make copies of itself. The virus also seems to suck up all of the oxygen nearby, starving neighboring cells to death.

 

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20 minutes ago, square_25 said:

In the realm of other depressing medical news, one of the vaccine trials was recently paused to investigate a possible adverse reaction: 

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/08/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-study-put-on-hold-due-to-suspected-adverse-reaction-in-participant-in-the-u-k/

Not sure if you saw the other thread but according to NYT it’s a case of transverse myelitis 

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49 minutes ago, square_25 said:

*continues staying inside* 

*contemplates getting a giant plastic bubble to take the kids for walks in.* 

Ugh. Nothing I've learned about this virus is making me happy. 

I am right there with you! 

I just sent this to the person in my life who says that CV19 is less harmful than the flu, they survived the great polio outbreak just fine and that I should just go to their house and "wash my hands well" and everything will be OK. The irony is that they are the ones in the high risk category and I am the one who is trying to be protective of them.

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Re the stopped vaccine trial
This is the second time the trial has been stopped:

First time - woman diagnosed with MS ("the immune system attacks the protective sheath (myelin) that covers nerve fibers and causes communication problems between your brain and the rest of your body" ) but determined it was not related to vaccine. 

Second time - symptoms consistent with traverse myelitis. ( "This neurological disorder often damages the insulating material covering nerve cell fibers (myelin)")

I find this concerning.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-trial-hold-patient-report/

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for clarity about 'second time'
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28 minutes ago, Bambam said:

Re the stopped vaccine trial
This is the second time:
First time - woman diagnosed with MS ("the immune system attacks the protective sheath (myelin) that covers nerve fibers and causes communication problems between your brain and the rest of your body" ) but determined it was not related to vaccine. 

Second time - symptoms consistent with traverse myelitis. ( "This neurological disorder often damages the insulating material covering nerve cell fibers (myelin)")

I find this concerning.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/09/astrazeneca-covid19-vaccine-trial-hold-patient-report/

Definitely needs study, but when you have a big enough sample, you will have people develop weird stuff that may not be related at all. So a matter of unraveling if it is FROM the vaccine or a coincidence. 

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1 hour ago, square_25 said:

Yep. That's exactly the point of these larger trials -- to see if there are rare adverse effects, and of course, it's possible that it's entirely unrelated. It could absolutely just be a fluke. 

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/coronacast/the-oxford-vaccines-troubles-why-its-not-doomed-yet/12646762
 

Coronacast had a segment on it today.  Could be from the vaccine or could be random . Could be from the adenovirus part Of the vaccine or the coronavirus part.  The adenovirus would be a better scenario because it will only impact vaccines using that method - the coronavirus part would be worst case because it would have Potential implications for all the vaccines.

according to Wiki transverse myelitis is a four in a million people event.

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Sorry to turn this into the astra Zeneca thread right now but they have said the rumours of transverse myelitis are incorrect they have no final diagnosis but it’s a neurological thing.  Also the previous stop was due to someone being diagnosed with MS but is considered to have been pre existing and not linked to the vaccine.

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University Of Pittsburgh Scientists Discover Biomolecule That May Neutralize Coronavirus

University of Pittsburgh scientists have isolated a biomolecule that “completely and specifically” neutralizes the virus that causes coronavirus.

University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine researchers isolated the smallest biological molecule to date that neutralizes the SARS-CoV-2 virus, according to a report published Monday in the journal Cell. The antibody component is 10 times smaller than a full-sized antibody and has been used to create a drug known as Ab8 for use as a therapeutic and preventative against SARS-CoV-2, the report says.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/09/14/pitt-scientists-discover-biomolecule-that-may-neutralize-coronavirus/

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