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What made Americans fat..........

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Oh, see, now I did switch the milk. I absolutely did that. I switched from skim to whole. :tongue_smilie:

 

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I am so thankful that our ped has never mentioned food.

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That was all I was saying. A calorie spent on work can not be stored.

 

 

 

I am not arguing with that at all. My only point was that if I use the calories to do work (i.e. exercise) they are not available to be stored as fat - no matter what the source of the calorie was that my exercise burned.

I do not at all debate that the feeling of satiety has a LOT to do with where the calory came from and that a high fat high protein diet will make the person feel less hungry and thus may cause the person to consume fewer total calories.

 

Not necessarily. People on low carb/high fat diets can often eat a LOT of calories, and still lose weight. Why? Because the body burns them rather than storing them. Metabolism is not a stagnant thing. It is not as simple as "lower calories = weight loss".

 

Also LCHF gives one a lot of energy since the body wants to burn the calories instead of store them.

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Oh, see, now I did switch the milk. I absolutely did that. I switched from skim to whole. :tongue_smilie:

:lol: awesome!!

 

eta, I don't know why I never thought of that - maybe I should switch after all :)

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is how obese people have been told that they would lose weight if they just had enough self-discipline and that it's entirely their fault if they're fat. All that that advice (low fat, calorie restriction, increase exercise) was crap, crap, crap. Generations have been told that they're fat because they're bad people. Horrifyingly wrong!!

 

Amen to that. It is just so wrong! And what the heck, how can someone even begin to deal with issues of control if they feel starved!!??

You can't exactly eliminate food from your life either.

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Not necessarily. People on low carb/high fat diets can often eat a LOT of calories, and still lose weight. Why? Because the body burns them rather than storing them. Metabolism is not a stagnant thing. It is not as simple as "lower calories = weight loss".

 

Also LCHF gives one a lot of energy since the body wants to burn the calories instead of store them.

 

I could easily eat 3 pounds of steak in a day and not gain weight so long as I'm not eating carbs. Three pounds of fatty steak is not low cal.

 

Of course I could do without the keto breath. :lol:

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None of this explains why other cultures with a diet that is heavily based on carbs do not have the same obesity problems as Americans do.

The main difference is not that the Americans eat more carbs (I am coming from a country of bread lovers with amazing bread which is the basis for two meals each day) but rather the amount of physical activity that is built into a daily schedule.

 

ETA: In former times, most people could not afford a diet high in protein and fat - carbs was almost all they had to satisfy their hunger. Yet obesity was not an issue because they did physical work. Nor is obesity a problem for people in other parts of the world whose daily meals consist mainly of a couple bowls of rice because they have nothing else.

 

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Gary Taubes doesn't have the market covered on science. I think it is pretty obvious that the scientific community is still trying to figure the whole thing out. It is far from settled. Often, the latest science turns out to be wrong. John Ioannidis has shown that. Here is an article about it http://www.economist.com/node/12376658.

 

There was some preliminary evidence that low fat diets worked. The problem was, we jumped the gun and recommended them before all the evidence was in.

I would say the evidence is still not all in about what makes people fat. Here is a study from the new England journal of medicine from 2010 that found that "reduced calorie diets result in clinically meaningful weight loss regardless of which macronutrients they emphasize. " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19246357

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is how obese people have been told that they would lose weight if they just had enough self-discipline and that it's entirely their fault if they're fat. All that that advice (low fat, calorie restriction, increase exercise) was crap, crap, crap. Generations have been told that they're fat because they're bad people. Horrifyingly wrong!!

 

:iagree::iagree: Yes this! This is what drives me. The old "but a calorie is a calorie!" shebang is usually used to guilt-trip fat people. I'm fat person. I spent years thinking I had no self-control because I was fat. If I would just eat less and exercise more I'd be thin!! But I was always hungry and tired, so exercise and good eating were hard.

 

I'm now losing weight steadily, and have much more energy to be active. Not because I found some well of self-control and virtue, but because I learned that WHAT I eat matters even more than HOW MUCH.

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Also, as far as why people don't feel full, I've heard a dozen possibilities in the past year, many of which seem plausible. From being formula fed to the "natural flavours" found in processed foods which push all the right buttons to make us crave more in a way that natural foods don't.

 

Reducing it to one thing sounds unlikely.

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Just curious. Do you choose to stop before feeling full or is it the foods you eat? I am wondering because I feel full a lot. I think I like being efficient so I tend to eat a lot so I won't be hungry for a good while after. A spinach salad with avocado and full fat dressing can make me feel very full.

 

 

Your Ghrelin may be affected by a metabolic disorder.

 

I'm not understanding regentude to be saing anything that disagrees with this, or anything else being said. Yes, eating some foods in excess may tend to be less satisfying, or change chemical balances of the body, or whatever.

 

I think what she is saying - and I'm sure she will correct me if I am wrong here - is that you cannot say that therefore exersize, or lack thereof, is not an issue. Taubes has not said anything that shows that eating one food or another means that when we burn calories through activity they are somehow still available to be stored. If you exersize more, you will expend calories, which won't be used elsewhere. There is no disproof of that in any study I have seen, and many people have lost weight primarily or wholly through exercise.

 

I agree with thepp who said she was suspicious when anyone tried to pin the blame for a widespread social problem like this on one thing. It isn't plausible. It seems like people are always looking for the next study or book or whatever that will give them the one secret they need to be thin.

 

And it is also frustrating to me that the focus is so much on weight. Being thin is not the only indicator of health. The Germans who are fat and bike and walk a lot are probably going to be healthier than skinny people watch tv all day, especially if they are avoiding a highly processed diet.

 

 

You really need to watch the vid I posted previously. Our country is so morbidly obese, it's a national disaster. It is one of THE most important things we need to tackle. We are passing down screwed up genes, we are effecting our national security... it's a nightmare.

 

And to prove that calories in =calories out is wrong, every morning I eat

 

3 eggs fried in butter, with about 4 oz of cheddar, two tablespoons of pastured butter on top (and I already fried them in butter) with some pico de gallo.

 

I then down 2 tablespoons of coconut oil in a little medicine shot glass.

 

For lunch I'll have some slices of london broil with a few lettuce leaves and some blue cheese dressing.

 

For dinner I'll eat whatever protein we're having and a side salad. With more blue cheese dressing or homemade mayo.

 

I've lost almost 20 pounds in about 3 weeks.

 

As a family we're active-but in NO WAY am I burning that many calories. I'll vacuum every day, I'll play in the pool on and off, I'll tackle a house project, we hike on weekends. But I'm not burning off all those calories on any given day.

 

So, how am I losing weight eating like that if calories = calories?

 

Previously, trying to control my hypoglycemia, I was eating every two hours, small handful things, but still more carbs and I had gained weight trying to control this. It kept creeping up and up and I was so frustrated because though I think nothing of carrying an extra ten pounds, this was more than I was comfortable with. Activity wasn't making me lose weight at all. Then I tried eating as *little* as I could without sending myself into a glucose coma. I still gained weight.

 

Now, eating the way I do I'm dropping weight like peeing. I didn't believe it before-I thought whole grains and complex carbs were good. And they may be for some people, but I did this out of desperation and it's working. I don't argue the science of it anymore.

 

 

(PLease excuse my autocorrect. If there's a completely nonsensical word thrown in there, I just didn't catch autocorrect)

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I could easily eat 3 pounds of steak in a day and not gain weight so long as I'm not eating carbs. Three pounds of fatty steak is not low cal.

 

Of course I could do without the keto breath. :lol:

 

See meat makes me gag. GAG! I can do fish/chicken or whatever but I cannot afford to eat pounds and pounds of good quality fish every day.

 

I eat tons of fruit, but I really limit my grains. I really should go back to no grains though. What about fruit? Do you low carbers eat fruit? I could not give that up. I never have and not had a problem. And I DID go from over 200 pounds after kids to very lean. I was at my optimum when doing lower carb than I am now.

 

And do you count the extra fats in your daily calories? ONE tblsp of coconut oil has 120 calories, vs almost a full serving of grains has the same . I dunno.....my kids would really have a hard time with NO grains whatsoever, but they don't eat that much either. I use whole milk, real butter, etc. They just don't eat big portions.

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I only eat berries, but I don't like fruit.

 

Fruit isn't off limits, but it needs to be limited on low carb. And some fruits are off the charts sugary (such as pineapple).

 

Honestly I think you need to find what works for you that you can live with. If you don't like the food on the diet, it isn't going to last no matter how good the diet is.

 

Yeah, fish is expensive. I actually don't love fish. I eat it once in awhile for variety, but I feel hungry after eating fish. It's not fatty enough.

 

I buy low carb breads and wraps for the kids. I also make homemade low carb pancakes and waffles.

 

See meat makes me gag. GAG! I can do fish/chicken or whatever but I cannot afford to eat pounds and pounds of good quality fish every day.

 

I eat tons of fruit, but I really limit my grains. I really should go back to no grains though. What about fruit? Do you low carbers eat fruit? I could not give that up. I never have and not had a problem. And I DID go from over 200 pounds after kids to very lean. I was at my optimum when doing lower carb than I am now.

 

And do you count the extra fats in your daily calories? ONE tblsp of coconut oil has 120 calories, vs almost a full serving of grains has the same . I dunno.....my kids would really have a hard time with NO grains whatsoever, but they don't eat that much either. I use whole milk, real butter, etc. They just don't eat big portions.

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But it is possible to take advantage of their own opportunities. There are plenty of streets for bike rides, a chance to park downtown and walk from store to store, buy fresh ingredients.... it takes me 40 minutes to get a pasta on the table with a made from scratch sauce instead of buying a sugar-laden jar.

 

The American culture is built on having it now and bigger. It's time for people to take a step back and go smaller.

 

It a tomato-based sauce? I thought sugar had to be added.

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See meat makes me gag. GAG! I can do fish/chicken or whatever but I cannot afford to eat pounds and pounds of good quality fish every day.

 

I eat tons of fruit, but I really limit my grains. I really should go back to no grains though. What about fruit? Do you low carbers eat fruit? I could not give that up. I never have and not had a problem. And I DID go from over 200 pounds after kids to very lean. I was at my optimum when doing lower carb than I am now.

 

And do you count the extra fats in your daily calories? ONE tblsp of coconut oil has 120 calories, vs almost a full serving of grains has the same . I dunno.....my kids would really have a hard time with NO grains whatsoever, but they don't eat that much either. I use whole milk, real butter, etc. They just don't eat big portions.[/QUOte]

 

I eat some fruit, but try not to eat a ton. If I'm not trying to actually lose weight (just maintenance) I can eat quite a bit of fruit.

 

I don't count calories. I don't even look. Your body will process that coconut in a completely different way than that serving of grains.

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I don't think most people think weight loss is easy...even if they say the solution is "simple" (calories in/calories out). So much of it has to do with genetics. I come from a long line of thin people and I am thin. My mil is obese. As far as I can tell her eating habits are similar to mine. It isn't super sizing and big gulps making her fat. However, on a societal level, I think there's no denying that bigger portions, fast food, less exercise is contributing to obesity.

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See meat makes me gag. GAG! I can do fish/chicken or whatever but I cannot afford to eat pounds and pounds of good quality fish every day.

 

I eat tons of fruit, but I really limit my grains. I really should go back to no grains though. What about fruit? Do you low carbers eat fruit? I could not give that up. I never have and not had a problem. And I DID go from over 200 pounds after kids to very lean. I was at my optimum when doing lower carb than I am now.

 

And do you count the extra fats in your daily calories? ONE tblsp of coconut oil has 120 calories, vs almost a full serving of grains has the same . I dunno.....my kids would really have a hard time with NO grains whatsoever, but they don't eat that much either. I use whole milk, real butter, etc. They just don't eat big portions.

 

LCHF allows for fruit but in small amounts. I don't count calories at all, only carbs. Not everyone needs NO carbs or NO grains. Kids, because they're growing, can tolerate more carbs; they don't necessarily need the carbs, but they may make little difference to their metabolism.

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Also, as far as why people don't feel full, I've heard a dozen possibilities in the past year, many of which seem plausible. From being formula fed to the "natural flavours" found in processed foods which push all the right buttons to make us crave more in a way that natural foods don't.

 

Reducing it to one thing sounds unlikely.

 

I also know from experience that we confuse full with stuffed. When eating less at meals, the body really does shift it's idea of fullness.

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But it is possible to take advantage of their own opportunities. There are plenty of streets for bike rides, a chance to park downtown and walk from store to store, buy fresh ingredients.... it takes me 40 minutes to get a pasta on the table with a made from scratch sauce instead of buying a sugar-laden jar.

 

The American culture is built on having it now and bigger. It's time for people to take a step back and go smaller.

 

We seriously don't have anywhere close to safely bike.

 

Anyway, I too make my own pasta sauce. Although I use low carb pasta. ;) Sauce is so easy to make and it freezes well.

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I only eat berries, but I don't like fruit.

 

Fruit isn't off limits, but it needs to be limited on low carb. And some fruits are off the charts sugary (such as pineapple).

 

 

 

Yeah, fish is expensive. I actually don't love fish. I eat it once in awhile for variety, but I feel hungry after eating fish. It's not fatty enough.

 

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I probably stick to the "lower carb" fruits as is. I like apples and berries but I don't eat much outside that....bananas in mod. And fish is not satisfying. I never know what to make with it so i don't very often. Everyone is like "now where's the food." And the turkey you can buy is like fat free, unless you buy a whole one or legs. I like making turkey burgers but I have to grind my own and that's a big fat drag.

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LCHF allows for fruit but in small amounts. I don't count calories at all, only carbs. Not everyone needs NO carbs or NO grains. Kids, because they're growing, can tolerate more carbs; they don't necessarily need the carbs, but they may make little difference to their metabolism.

 

Same here. I don't do no carb and no grain. I did in the past, but I found it so limited I got bored.

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It a tomato-based sauce? I thought sugar had to be added.

 

We don't, and none of my cookbooks call for it. Take peeled tomatoes that you mush up wit your hand, cloves of garlic, basil, and chopped onion and put it in a baking dish. Sprinkle with salt, pepper, and olive oil. Bake at 450 for 40 minutes. 20 minutes in start your pasta water. When the pasta is done, keep about half a cup of the liquid before draining. Add the sauce, toss to coat, and add the liquid if needed.

 

Easy enough for even me to do it! :D Dh is the main cook in the house so I stick to the simple things, and mostly what I can grab the ingredients for quickly.

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I probably stick to the "lower carb" fruits as is. I like apples and berries but I don't eat much outside that....bananas in mod. And fish is not satisfying. I never know what to make with it so i don't very often. Everyone is like "now where's the food." And the turkey you can buy is like fat free, unless you buy a whole one or legs. I like making turkey burgers but I have to grind my own and that's a big fat drag.

 

I buy ground turkey. It's not 100% fat free, but rather low in fat. I sometimes mix in some lard or top it with cheese. My husband won't eat beef so I do buy a lot of ground turkey.

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Your Ghrelin may be affected by a metabolic disorder.

 

 

 

 

You really need to watch the vid I posted previously. Our country is so morbidly obese, it's a national disaster. It is one of THE most important things we need to tackle. We are abasing down screwed up genes, we are effecting our national security... it's a nightmare.

 

And to prove that calories in =calories out is wrong, every morning I eat

 

3 eggs fried in butter, with about 4 oz of cheddar, two tablespoons of pastured butter on top (and I already fried them in butter) with some pico de gallo.

 

I then down 2 tablespoons of coconut oil in a little medicine shot glass.

 

For lunch I'll have some slices of london broil with a few lettuce leaves and some blue cheese dressing.

 

For dinner I'll eat whatever protein we're having and a side salad. With more blue cheese dressing or homemade mayo.

 

I've lost almost 20 pounds in about 3 weeks.

 

As a family we're active-but in NO WAY am I burning that many calories. I'll vacuum every day, I'll play in the pool on and off, I'll tackle a house project, we hike on weekends. But I'm not buying off all those calories on any given day.

 

So, how am I losing weight if calories = calories?

 

Eating like that

 

Well, unfortunatly I can't watch video, or I would.

 

But I don't think anyone is arguing that different foods affect the body differently, or that we don't have a serious problem with obesity.

 

I see people saying that to reduce the weight issues to that is oversimplification and reductionist.

 

I also see people saying that it relates to our whole food culture. So yes, what we eat, when we eat it, but also say, that we snack constantly on the foods that are the biggest problem, that we don't exersize but instead eat a box of crackerjacks.

 

I don't think focusing on carbs and protein s really gets at the issues. Why do we eat so much convenience food? Why aren't we willing to let our kids spend two hours for a real meal at lunch like in some other countries? Why do we think we get more value from a meal when it is three times what anyone should eat of ANY ingredient, even if it is made out of low-quality, not all that yummy ingredients? Why is much of the commercial food available so bland you can't eat it without a ton of ketchup? Why don't we build communities that are walkable and why don't people seem to notice what they have lost there? Why aren't kids allowed out to play when they are not home from school?

 

I think the values and things that make for a good food environment have to do with a lot more than a focus on obesity, and that is why I think a focus on health more generally is important. We do have an obesity epidemic and as long as we don't look at health more holistically I doubt that will change. That means valuing exercise and time in the outdoors, or time for a long relaxing lunch and time to cook a good meal and really be with family. Not trying to figure out the precise ratio of different kinds of foods we need to consume to get our bodies to metabolize most effieciently.

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I buy ground turkey. It's not 100% fat free, but rather low in fat. I sometimes mix in some lard or top it with cheese. My husband won't eat beef so I do buy a lot of ground turkey.

 

I once bought a WHOLE TURKEY, and ground the entire thing. Then I made stock. I think I still remember that from 2 years ago and never want to do it again :lol:

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:iagree:Pretty sure if everyone stopped eating enough for three people at every meal the problem would be solved. Americans are fat because they eat too much. Period.
No doubt Americans eat too much, but mainly they eat too much of the wrong things. Chips, pop, ice cream, cookies--highly processed, high carb foods. No effort required except ripping open the package.

 

If all those extra calories were raw veggies, salads, cheese, and nuts, the problem would also be solved.

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None of this explains why other cultures with a diet that is heavily based on carbs do not have the same obesity problems as Americans do.

The main difference is not that the Americans eat more carbs (I am coming from a country of bread lovers with amazing bread which is the basis for two meals each day) but rather the amount of physical activity that is built into a daily schedule.

 

ETA: In former times, most people could not afford a diet high in protein and fat - carbs was almost all they had to satisfy their hunger. Yet obesity was not an issue because they did physical work. Nor is obesity a problem for people in other parts of the world whose daily meals consist mainly of a couple bowls of rice because they have nothing else.

 

Americans are fat because they eat too much. Just look at American restaurant portions vs. European portions.

 

 

I do agree with both of these posts to a *large* degree. I was fitter when I lived in Europe partially because of the amount of walking that we did there. We walked downtown, went to the farmer's market and bakery, walked home and made a fresh meal. I also agree that their portions tend to be much smaller. I was also more fit in Hawaii because of more fresh fruit and more exercise. I don't need a scientist to tell me those things.

 

But the US is very different geographically than Italy. It's HUGE. Urban sprawl-- housing developments and long stretches of box stores and malls, fewer small businesses within walking distance, etc. make it impossible for most Americans to live like Italians. It's just not possible in many areas.

 

astrid

 

Oh, I agree with this, but that doesn't make the above any less true.

 

Now, otoh, what role does genetics play? My dh has a runner's build. He has always been a runner and an athlete. He finds it easy to stay fit. On the other hand? He has a good friend who runs triathalons every weekend, trains for them daily and is still overweight. It is much easy for my dh to maintain his weight than for his friend.

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I once bought a WHOLE TURKEY, and ground the entire thing. Then I made stock. I think I still remember that from 2 years ago and never want to do it again :lol:

 

You sound like my kind of gal. :D

 

I'm thinking of getting a meat grinder. That's something I haven't gotten into doing.

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We don't, and none of my cookbooks call for it. Take peeled tomatoes that you mush up wit your hand, cloves of garlic, basil, and chopped onion and put it in a baking dish. Sprinkle with salt, pepper, and olive oil. Bake at 450 for 40 minutes. 20 minutes in start your pasta water. When the pasta is done, keep about half a cup of the liquid before draining. Add the sauce, toss to coat, and add the liquid if needed.

 

Easy enough for even me to do it! :D Dh is the main cook in the house so I stick to the simple things, and mostly what I can grab the ingredients for quickly.

 

It absolutely does not need sugar. I find tomatoes to be quite sweet. I seriously don't know why they put so much sugar in jar sauces except maybe it's a filler for less tomatoes.

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Also, as far as why people don't feel full, I've heard a dozen possibilities in the past year, many of which seem plausible. From being formula fed to the "natural flavours" found in processed foods which push all the right buttons to make us crave more in a way that natural foods don't.

 

Reducing it to one thing sounds unlikely.

I also wouldn't be surprised if on top of everything else we find that people who are long time overeaters have gut and intestinal flora that somehow inhibit the "full" signals and contribute to craving certain types of food in a chicken-egg sort of way.

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The scientific consensus on the "why" of America’s obesity problem has recently- since about 2002- undergone a profound paradigm shift.

 

The old way of thinking illustrated by the food pyramid with grains and carbs as the base of the pyramid is and was wrong and damaging. We should be eating far fewer carbs/grains (whether whole grain or not) and more fat and protein.

 

Respected physicians who head the nutrition science departments at Harvard and Duke have conducted clinical trials (not observational studies - for those who care about the distinction) which have shown:

 

1. Carbs cause insulin resistance which promotes obesity and weight gain.

2. Fat does not as previously thought cause heart disease.

3. Type 2 diabetes can be cured by practicing a LCHF (low carb/high fat) diet.

 

If diet, health, and weight gain/loss is a concern for you, please look into LCHF diets and do some research. Here are some valuable links:

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17684196?dopt=Abstract

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?scp=1&sq=what%20if%20its%20all%20been%20a%20big%20fat%20lie?&st=cse

 

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/pyramid/

 

Stepping off my soap box now......

 

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It a tomato-based sauce? I thought sugar had to be added.

 

I don't put sugar in my sauce. I cook down carrots and onions, that adds sweetness to the sauce. I add a little milk towards the end, that makes it less acidic and more alkaline without adding sugar.

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It absolutely does not need sugar. I find tomatoes to be quite sweet. I seriously don't know why they put some much sugar in jar sauces except maybe it's a filler for less tomatoes.

 

I wonder if the sugar changes the taste - acidity or something (I can't remember the word right now, but like how I put a little sugar in my chili). I admit I don't really like tomatoes except for very fresh ones in season.

 

I don't put sugar in my sauce. I cook down carrots and onions, that adds sweetness to the sauce. I add a little milk towards the end, that makes it less acidic and more alkaline without adding sugar.

 

Interesting - can I add milk to chili?

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Oh, see, now I did switch the milk. I absolutely did that. I switched from skim to whole. :tongue_smilie:

 

Now, see, I don't even use cow milk because it has so many carbs in the form of lactose. I opt for unsweetened almond beverage.

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You sound like my kind of gal. :D

 

I'm thinking of getting a meat grinder. That's something I haven't gotten into doing.

 

I'm going to do it though...SOON. Maybe around thanksgiving when the turkeys are everywhere anyways. That is what I did two holidays ago. I bought the biggest turkey one has every seen. It is ridiculous how much you save AND you mix all the fat/dark meat together and it is so much better.

 

I just have the grinder for my Kitchenaide. It works good but I'm sure there are better ones. I think I may ask for Christmas this year.

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I don't put sugar in my sauce. I cook down carrots and onions, that adds sweetness to the sauce. I add a little milk towards the end, that makes it less acidic and more alkaline without adding sugar.

 

Ahh -- thanks for the tip!

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It absolutely does not need sugar. I find tomatoes to be quite sweet. I seriously don't know why they put some much sugar in jar sauces except maybe it's a filler for less tomatoes.

 

They do it because people are addicted to sugar/ sweet taste. There is added sugar in most processed foods because of this, even so called "savory" products like bread, tomato sauce, etc...

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See meat makes me gag. GAG! I can do fish/chicken or whatever but I cannot afford to eat pounds and pounds of good quality fish every day.

 

I eat tons of fruit, but I really limit my grains. I really should go back to no grains though. What about fruit? Do you low carbers eat fruit? I could not give that up. I never have and not had a problem. And I DID go from over 200 pounds after kids to very lean. I was at my optimum when doing lower carb than I am now.

 

And do you count the extra fats in your daily calories? ONE tblsp of coconut oil has 120 calories, vs almost a full serving of grains has the same . I dunno.....my kids would really have a hard time with NO grains whatsoever, but they don't eat that much either. I use whole milk, real butter, etc. They just don't eat big portions.

 

I'm so sensitive to the carbs that I can't eat a lot of fruit. Hopefully after a year or two I'll be able to eat more, but right now, a small handful of berries is all I can handle.

 

 

MY kids, OTOH, eat everything. I make everything from scratch at my house, whole foods, full fat. It's nothing for me to go through 6 gallons go whole milk in a week here, and they are as skinny as skinny can get. We eat a lot of cheese, they eat things like sardines, and they love salads.

 

They are NOT allowed unlimited amounts of sugar (Even my sugar hound has a six pack). Hopefully I can keep them from going through what I've done to my body.

 

(I also make my pasta sauce from scratch, having married a 100% Italian, there are NO jars allowed in my house. IF I need to sweeten it, I small grate an organic carrot to sweeten it up. No sugar needed. Also sugar is added because the tomatoes aren't fully vine ripened.).

 

Well, unfortunatly I can't watch video, or I would.

 

But I don't think anyone is arguing that different foods affect the body differently, or that we don't have a serious problem with obesity.

 

I see people saying that to reduce the weight issues to that is oversimplification and reductionist.

 

I also see people saying that it relates to our whole food culture. So yes, what we eat, when we eat it, but also say, that we snack constantly on the foods that are the biggest problem, that we don't exersize but instead eat a box of crackerjacks.

 

I don't think focusing on carbs and protein s really gets at the issues. Why do we eat so much convenience food? Why aren't we willing to let our kids spend two hours for a real meal at lunch like in some other countries? Why do we think we get more value from a meal when it is three times what anyone should eat of ANY ingredient, even if it is made out of low-quality, not all that yummy ingredients? Why is much of the commercial food available so bland you can't eat it without a ton of ketchup? Why don't we build communities that are walkable and why don't people seem to notice what they have lost there? Why aren't kids allowed out to play when they are not home from school?

 

I think the values and things that make for a good food environment have to do with a lot more than a focus on obesity, and that is why I think a focus on health more generally is important. We do have an obesity epidemic and as long as we don't look at health more holistically I doubt that will change. That means valuing exercise and time in the outdoors, or time for a long relaxing lunch and time to cook a good meal and really be with family. Not trying to figure out the precise ratio of different kinds of foods we need to consume to get our bodies to metabolize most effieciently.

 

 

Well, for the most part I agree with you, but the bolded I don't. We've been fed a line of bull from the nutrition community and the government. Paleo isn't new, it's ancient. It's just new to us. It's working. BUt now we've got 50 some odd years of programming and commercialism to undo.

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We don't, and none of my cookbooks call for it. Take peeled tomatoes that you mush up wit your hand, cloves of garlic, basil, and chopped onion and put it in a baking dish. Sprinkle with salt, pepper, and olive oil. Bake at 450 for 40 minutes. 20 minutes in start your pasta water. When the pasta is done, keep about half a cup of the liquid before draining. Add the sauce, toss to coat, and add the liquid if needed.

 

Easy enough for even me to do it! :D Dh is the main cook in the house so I stick to the simple things, and mostly what I can grab the ingredients for quickly.

 

Can you cook it on a stove instead? I don't like to use the oven much in the summer.

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I'm going to do it though...SOON. Maybe around thanksgiving when the turkeys are everywhere anyways. That is what I did two holidays ago. I bought the biggest turkey one has every seen. It is ridiculous how much you save AND you mix all the fat/dark meat together and it is so much better.

 

I just have the grinder for my Kitchenaide. It works good but I'm sure there are better ones. I think I may ask for Christmas this year.

 

I have a KitchenAid too.

 

And I have 2 turkeys in the freezer as we type...:D

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Now, see, I don't even use cow milk because it has so many carbs in the form of lactose. I opt for unsweetened almond beverage.

 

That almond stuff makes my oldest son sick every time. But we're lucky, we have real milk, that hasn't had all the good stuff cooked out of it. I also make my own clabber and cheese so I don't have to touch the processed stuff. My kids health has improved exponentially since I made the dairy changes.

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Can you cook it on a stove instead? I don't like to use the oven much in the summer.

 

Yes I think it would work just fine. I imagine you could even do it in the crock pot.

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They do it because people are addicted to sugar/ sweet taste. There is added sugar in most processed foods because of this, even so called "savory" products like bread, tomato sauce, etc...

 

Sometimes I use fake sugars (Xylitol, even Splenda). I know, I'm going to hell. :D I just feel like it's the lesser of 2 evils and it lets me have a much wider variety of foods.

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I have a KitchenAid too.

 

And I have 2 turkeys in the freezer as we type...:D

 

The attachment for the KA is inexpensive. I couldn't go out and buy a huge meat grinder so I just bought that one. It seems like the motor is the biggest part of it and my KA has a big motor, it's the huge pro series one. I don't even know if that makes a difference because my mom has the smaller one and it works fine.

 

That's it, I'm going to buy a turkey :lol:

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Well, unfortunatly I can't watch video, or I would.

 

But I don't think anyone is arguing that different foods affect the body differently, or that we don't have a serious problem with obesity.

 

I see people saying that to reduce the weight issues to that is oversimplification and reductionist.

 

I don't think anyone is saying that there are not other issues that contribute to our weight issues in this country, either. But everytime someone discusses carbs, the threads get blanketed in "but a calorie is a calorie, my homemade bread can't possibly be bad for you!" Yes there are other issues. But macronutrient balance is a very important one in the US today.

 

I also see people saying that it relates to our whole food culture. So yes, what we eat, when we eat it, but also say, that we snack constantly on the foods that are the biggest problem, that we don't exersize but instead eat a box of crackerjacks.

 

If we snacked constantly on chicken or spinach, it wouldn't BE a problem.

 

I don't think focusing on carbs and protein s really gets at the issues. Why do we eat so much convenience food? Why aren't we willing to let our kids spend two hours for a real meal at lunch like in some other countries? Why do we think we get more value from a meal when it is three times what anyone should eat of ANY ingredient, even if it is made out of low-quality, not all that yummy ingredients? Why is much of the commercial food available so bland you can't eat it without a ton of ketchup? Why don't we build communities that are walkable and why don't people seem to notice what they have lost there? Why aren't kids allowed out to play when they are not home from school?

 

I just have to straight-up disagree that carbs, fat, and protein don't really get at the issues. They don't get at all the issues, but they do get at several of the issues you list! Not everything of course, but we can't change every cultural issue at once, and improving our macronutrient balance addresses several issues...

 

I think the values and things that make for a good food environment have to do with a lot more than a focus on obesity, and that is why I think a focus on health more generally is important. We do have an obesity epidemic and as long as we don't look at health more holistically I doubt that will change. That means valuing exercise and time in the outdoors, or time for a long relaxing lunch and time to cook a good meal and really be with family. Not trying to figure out the precise ratio of different kinds of foods we need to consume to get our bodies to metabolize most effieciently.

 

I think it's hard to focus on other things when we are too fat, sick, and exhausted to deal with our basic lives, let alone go for a walk. That's how it was for me, anyhow. Getting my body to metabolize more efficiently makes me feel better so I CAN do other things to improve my life.

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Sometimes I use fake sugars (Xylitol, even Splenda). I know, I'm going to hell. :D I just feel like it's the lesser of 2 evils and it lets me have a much wider variety of foods.

 

I'm going with :lol:

 

I use xylitol in savory things that need a little sweet. I drink SF stuff in moderation because I like it. And I like beer. I don't think I could give that up.

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Sometimes I use fake sugars (Xylitol, even Splenda). I know, I'm going to hell. :D I just feel like it's the lesser of 2 evils and it lets me have a much wider variety of foods.

 

Splenda is chlorinated sugar. You are destroying your intestinal flora. Please, I really like you, don't do that to yourself. :001_smile:

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If you want it to be less acidic, then you could.

 

Doesn't it curdle? I sometimes make a sauce with a splash of cream.

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The attachment for the KA is inexpensive. I couldn't go out and buy a huge meat grinder so I just bought that one. It seems like the motor is the biggest part of it and my KA has a big motor, it's the huge pro series one. I don't even know if that makes a difference because my mom has the smaller one and it works fine.

 

That's it, I'm going to buy a turkey :lol:

 

Mine is the big Pro one too!

 

I've been thinking about my turkeys because they have been sitting there since Thanksgiving. I just don't love the idea of cranking up the stove when it's 90 outside. I never thought to grind the meat and then make stock.

 

Ohhhh...yay!!

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Sometimes I use fake sugars (Xylitol, even Splenda). I know, I'm going to hell. :D I just feel like it's the lesser of 2 evils and it lets me have a much wider variety of foods.

 

Well, if there is a Dante-esque level of hell for food transgressions, I'll see you there. My weakness is dairy. A world without cheese (and full fat, no less), is just not a world I care to live in. ;)

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