Stu/pid Question. ETC 4.

[Spy Car]

OK. In Explode the Code 4, Lesson 7, page 43, the Rule: When a consonant stands between 2 vowels, the word is usually divided after the first vowel. The first syllable is open, and the vowel will say its name.

 

Then they list examples:

 

robot

silent

omit

minus

basic

stupid

 

...wait, back up.

 

stu/pid???

 

Now I don't know about where you live, but I don't say st-YOU/pid.

 

So what gives???

 

Bill

[bbsweetpea]

Maybe we are st YOU pid and don't know how to say it right? :lol:

 

 

I have no clue ... I am with you and would think that word would not follow the rule.

[Shawna in Texas]

Huh. When I say it out loud I sound like Hermoine Granger. Quickly, it comes out like stchoo-pid. I'm gonna say it like that from now on. :D

[Mabelen]

OK. In Explode the Code 4, Lesson 7, page 43, the Rule: When a consonant stands between 2 vowels, the word is usually divided after the first vowel. The first syllable is open, and the vowel will say its name.

 

Then they list examples:

 

robot

silent

omit

minus

basic

stupid

 

...wait, back up.

 

stu/pid???

 

Now I don't know about where you live, but I don't say st-YOU/pid.

 

So what gives???

 

Bill

 

It works for me just fine! I think we live in the same state, but I'm pretty sure we din't grow up or learn English in the same country... :D

[FlockOfSillies]

That, my dear Spy Car, is a regionalism. LOL.

[Spy Car]

I'm starting to think I could get an open "U" vowel-sound from "Cupid".

 

And that I could manage to rhyme Cupid and Stupid.

 

Stupid Cupid. Cupid Stupid. Yep.

 

So I'm starting to regret posting this thread for the fear that I might look stoopid :lol:

 

Bill

[Miss Sherry]

Here I was just checking to see if all of the words listed fit the rule. How silly, I mean, stu/pid of me.

Is this a serious question ?

You need to remember that these rules are just tools to help with spelling, syllabication,etc. It does not mean that the words will not have a little different sound , depending on what part of the world or country they are pronounced in, when spoken. Spelling rules are not an exact science. Just a tool. The important thing is if we can read,write, and speak the language, not that all of the rules are an exact fit.

But don't mind me, I tend to dislike any spelling or phonics program that seems to be fanatical about excessive details. Not that I think ETC is too excessively detailed. But I do think that anything related to Spalding is way too focused on minute details and forgets what the big picture is, which is reading, spelling, and writing, not just learning phonics and spelling. Don't sweat the small stuff; it's all small stuff. Be happy if your child can read, write, and spell and who cares if they know a million phonics and spelling rule ? I really should just go to bed. This whole stu/pid thing is keeping me up now.

Edited February 28, 2010 by Miss Sherry

[Stacy in NJ]

OK. In Explode the Code 4, Lesson 7, page 43, the Rule: When a consonant stands between 2 vowels, the word is usually divided after the first vowel. The first syllable is open, and the vowel will say its name.

 

Then they list examples:

 

robot

silent

omit

minus

basic

stupid

 

...wait, back up.

 

stu/pid???

 

Now I don't know about where you live, but I don't say st-YOU/pid.

 

So what gives???

 

Bill

 

The mystery is solved. This is how the rule usually functions. It's an exception like the thousands of others in the English language.

Edited February 28, 2010 by Stacy in NJ

[lovemykids]

I'm starting to think I could get an open "U" vowel-sound from "Cupid".

 

And that I could manage to rhyme Cupid and Stupid.

 

Stupid Cupid. Cupid Stupid. Yep.

 

So I'm starting to regret posting this thread for the fear that I might look stoopid :lol:

 

Bill

 

Love this- so funny! :lol: Yes, this does happen quite a bit. The English language can be confusing. LOL.

[2_girls_mommy]

This is cracking me up. We use R&S, and it says it is a "long vowel" not "says it's own name." So at first I was a little confused as to what was the problem. I had to read it twice :) I don't say styoo/ pid either! Although, I would hardly use my speech patterns as anything of a model.......

[abbeyej]

I say stū'-pid.

[Mama2four]

I though the exact same thing as you Bill. I never understood it until I watched a demo of Susan Barton. She explains the exact thing you are speaking of. Here is the link:

 

http://www.webcastgroup.com/webcast/window_new/frameset.asp?WebcastID=0660721062578

 

It's the part of the demo that talks about open syllables. She uses the word flu to explain it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Renee

[Daisy]

I still can't figure out how you pronounce stupid if you don't say stū'-pid? I live in SoCal also. Maybe you are just used to hearing the spanglish version, estúpido. LOL. :D

[Spy Car]

I still can't figure out how you pronounce stupid if you don't say stū'-pid? I live in SoCal also. Maybe you are just used to hearing the spanglish version, estúpido. LOL. :D

 

Like stoop + id

 

Bill

[Daisy]

Like stoop + id

 

Bill

 

I hear that around here, but I've always assumed it really was the hispanic influence on the word. "Hey, yo, stoop-id" Drawn out nice and slow. :lol: In Jersey, growing up that word would have been very crisp and quick. Ya, stu-pid moron! Get outta my way!

[lovemykids]

Yes, that’s how we pronounce it over here on the east coast, too. Imagine a New Yorker saying it….LOL. You stoop-id, eh? Forget aboud it! ;)

 

:lol:

[Daisy]

Yes, that’s how we pronounce it over here on the east coast, too. Imagine a New Yorker saying it….LOL. You stoop-id, eh? Forget aboud it! ;)

 

:lol:

 

Funny. So maybe it just depends on how you use it. Long u for an adjective. Double oo for predicate adjective. :lol:

[lovemykids]

LOL. Nope, pretty sure it’s across the board here. Imagine a Massachusetts or New Jersey accent! Can you? Too funny! Stoop-id, stoop-id, stoop-id. :tongue_smilie:

 

Wait, maybe it's actually...stooo-pid. LOL.

Edited February 28, 2010 by lovemykids

[Daisy]

You know, maybe I just think of it as long u and in reality is is more like...

 

Stew-pid. LOL. What the heck! I'm totally confused now. Regardless I think the clipped accent of the East coast pronounces the word more than they do out here.

[Corraleno]

OK. In Explode the Code 4, Lesson 7, page 43, the Rule: When a consonant stands between 2 vowels, the word is usually divided after the first vowel. The first syllable is open, and the vowel will say its name.

 

stu/pid???

 

Now I don't know about where you live, but I don't say st-YOU/pid.

 

So what gives???

 

 

I'm sure there's an etymological reason it's pronounced "oo" in some words (stupid, frugal, suture, fluent, voluble, dubious, lucid, nuclear, ruby, tuba) and "you" in others (purify, curative, cubic, fuschia, fugitive, human, museum, puberty). And sometimes both at once, as in tubular ~ too-byoo-lar!

 

FWIW, my DH is British and he does pronounce stupid as "stchyoo-pid" ~ also "djyoo-bi-ous," "tchyoo-byoo-lar," and many others.

 

I think it's also interesting that U is the only vowel where we add a consonant to the long vowel sound when we "name" it ~ why don't we call it "oo" (like all the other vowels) instead of "yoo"?

 

Jackie

[Daisy]

Well, I can honestly say that "u" is the rogue vowel in our house. It is always masquerading as something else.

[Tree House Academy]

I always over enunciate long vowels during our phonics lessons. I don't say it that way in regular speech, but I do stress it so my son can hear what the word is made from. We say LOTS of words too quickly to fully hear the vowel sounds...that doesn't mean they aren't there, though. ;)

[Spy Car]

I though the exact same thing as you Bill. I never understood it until I watched a demo of Susan Barton. She explains the exact thing you are speaking of. Here is the link:

 

http://www.webcastgroup.com/webcast/window_new/frameset.asp?WebcastID=0660721062578

 

It's the part of the demo that talks about open syllables. She uses the word flu to explain it.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Renee

 

How long is that video Renee? :lol:

 

I gave up. Maybe tonight, I'll have more patience.

 

Bill (who really wants to know the explanation)

[Spy Car]

I hear that around here, but I've always assumed it really was the hispanic influence on the word. "Hey, yo, stoop-id" Drawn out nice and slow. :lol: In Jersey, growing up that word would have been very crisp and quick. Ya, stu-pid moron! Get outta my way!

 

Crisp here. But still "oo" not "ooooooo" or YOU :D

 

Bill

[Spy Car]

OK. In Explode the Code 4, Lesson 7, page 43, the Rule: When a consonant stands between 2 vowels, the word is usually divided after the first vowel. The first syllable is open, and the vowel will say its name.

 

 

 

The mystery is solved. This is how the rule usually functions. It's an exception like the thousands of others in the English language.

 

But the qualifier usually refers to the syllable break, not the pronunciation, right?

 

And I can accept that the English language has many exceptions to "the rules", but wouldn't an author/publisher usually pick examples that DO conform to the rule, rather than ones that DON'T???

 

Or maybe it does. I keep saying "Stupid Cupid" and eventually I may come around :tongue_smilie:

 

Bill (usually more sure of himself :D)

[abbeyej]

On the other hand, I also say Feb'-roo-ary, not Feb'-you-ary. ;)

[kiana]

I say styoopid :)

[Quad Shot Academy]

According to AAS there are two sounds that the long U makes. One includes the /y/ sound and one doesn't. Like the difference between continue and avenue. So no matter how you say stupid, it is still a long u sound verses short like c/u/t.

[kalanamak]

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Edited February 28, 2010 by kalanamak
for some reason it came up with no replies, and then MANY

[ChrisB]

OK. In Explode the Code 4, Lesson 7, page 43, the Rule: When a consonant stands between 2 vowels, the word is usually divided after the first vowel. The first syllable is open, and the vowel will say its name.

 

Then they list examples:

 

robot

silent

omit

minus

basic

stupid

 

...wait, back up.

 

stu/pid???

 

Now I don't know about where you live, but I don't say st-YOU/pid.

 

So what gives???

 

Bill

 

I read your title and laughed because we just went through this same lesson a few weeks back. I'm right there with you, man!

[newlifemom]

I'm starting to think I could get an open "U" vowel-sound from "Cupid".

 

And that I could manage to rhyme Cupid and Stupid.

 

Stupid Cupid. Cupid Stupid. Yep.

 

So I'm starting to regret posting this thread for the fear that I might look stoopid :lol:

 

Bill

 

Bill,

 

You will never look stoop id, stew pid or any other variation. :D

[Mama2four]

I'm sorry. I forgot it was a long video. To find the part about long u, fast forward it to the 24th minute.

[Spy Car]

I'm sorry. I forgot it was a long video. To find the part about long u, fast forward it to the 24th minute.

 

Rats!!!

 

I must have gone about 20 minutes, and then it was time to go to baseball practice :D

 

Thanks for letting me know :001_smile:

 

Bill

[Donna T.]

And that I could manage to rhyme Cupid and Stupid.

 

Stupid Cupid. Cupid Stupid. Yep.

 

 

Bill

 

Stupid rhymes with cupid in these parts. Never imagined it could be any diff'rent.

[Donna T.]

Like stoop + id

 

Bill

 

Around here, stoop + id would sound way ruder than rhyming with Cupid. The kids say it when they are being sassy and they always get in trouble for it. It usually goes with "duh, stoop+id."

[lovemykids]

I hear that around here, but I've always assumed it really was the hispanic influence on the word. "Hey, yo, stoop-id" Drawn out nice and slow. :lol: In Jersey, growing up that word would have been very crisp and quick. Ya, stu-pid moron! Get outta my way!

 

Crisp here. But still "oo" not "ooooooo" or YOU :D

 

Bill

 

I still hear “oo”, yes, I said “ooo”, but maybe that’s not the correct sound for Jersey. Although sometimes they do have the tendency to draw out certain sounds, maybe it depends on which part of Jersey. LOL. It does sound like stew-pid. I think the pp’s example of the word tubular is an excellent example of the different sounds of the long u. Here is the online dictionary pronunciation: Stupid.

[Spy Car]

I read your title and laughed because we just went through this same lesson a few weeks back. I'm right there with you, man!

 

Solidarity forever :D

 

Bill

[Spy Car]

IAnd sometimes both at once, as in tubular ~ too-byoo-lar!

 

 

I must say (being from California) how disconcerting it feels to see the word "tubular" shorn of the proceeding modifier "totally" :lol:

 

Bill

[lovemykids]

I still hear “ooâ€, yes, I said “oooâ€, but maybe that’s not the correct sound for Jersey. Although sometimes they do have the tendency to draw out certain sounds, maybe it depends on which part of Jersey. LOL. It does sound like stew-pid. I think the pp’s example of the word tubular is an excellent example of the different sounds of the long u. Here is the online dictionary pronunciation: Stupid.

 

Bill,

Notice the American verses the British pronunciation in my link. I personally, don’t know anyone who says “styou-pid†like the British. Do you? I’d have to listen more closely to friends or family from overseas. I guess stupid is not a word commonly used in conversations that we have had....:lol:

 

Okay, done with this stupid post. :lol::D;)

[Spy Car]

Bill,

Notice the American verses the British pronunciation in my link. I personally, don’t know anyone who says “styou-pid” like the British. Do you? I’d have to listen more closely to friends or family from overseas. I guess stupid is not a word commonly used in conversations that we have had....:lol:

 

Okay, done with this stupid post. :lol::D;)

 

Other than Abbey? :lol:

 

No.

 

The "American" sounds like a robot, but is closer to the point.

 

Bill

Edited March 1, 2010 by Spy Car

[lovemykids]

:001_huh:Yeah, hey Abbey, where in the world are you from?? Febrooary? Styoupid? Really?

(you don’t have to answer that, just poking fun)

I do love your curricula choices and advice though. ;)

 

 

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