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What about getting two smaller tables, one for the kitchen and one for the dining/living that way when you have company you could bring the kitchen one out but they wouldn't be taking up as much space in their respective spaces kwim? Maybe some thing like this or this? I don't think I could do without a dining table of some sort.

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is what is happening at my house today. :DHurry spring, HURRY!

I think a lot of what is being talked about comes down to habit training, whether it is hygiene or their attitude or healthy eating/exercise. I think that if hints or kind reminders don't work then it needs to become a habit to work on with the child.

I think the key for me is what I bolded in LizzyBee's post and what others have said about what has worked with their familes. The original post led me to believe that the situation is different than a mentoring situation growing out of a "natural" friendship or normal church relationships, that it was something planned.

When I first became a christian I was pushed into a position like this, first it was at camp, then it was with the youth group. I say pushed because I am not a leader, a teacher(in the biblical sense) nor do I have any great love for youth. I was spiritually a "baby" and was trying my hardest to build relationships with a bunch of girls who could not have cared less if I was their "friend". I was that "borrowed" adult. Only I was only 20ish and a new christian. I feel like it hindered my own growth/faith and did not one iota of good for those girls that I could see. They continued on in the course of their lives just as if I had never been there. I don't know, the early "20's" is such a wierd time, on one hand you feel so adult and mature and on the other you're sort of "lost at sea". In hindsight I was "lost at sea" and immature and sorely needed time to find out who I was in Christ and who I was in general. I think building a relationship soley to convert or to help give guidance to a person without a true relationship being there will not help anyone and may make the befriended person bitter later in life when they can see what was really happening. It does nothing to further the gospel if we leave behind us a wake of hurt and bitterness. I don't really know what my point is and I feel like I'm rambling. I guess I hear lots of christians saying that being a christian is about a true "relationship" with God/Christ/The Holy Spirit, but feel like a lot of them spend more time building relationships with people only to try to convert them or guide them in the correct way to have faith that they neglect their relationship with God. Okay now I'm really rambling!:tongue_smilie: I guess the farther I get from that time the more I realize we should befriend people we genuinely want to be friends with, and go from there. We should not make people projects or goals. Would those college age people normally be friends with highschool age kids? Probably not. There are exceptions of course:D (I no longer attend the church I wrote of above) I have one more thought as a parent, when my dc get to be young adults(teenagers) my hope for them is to have made real friends. I would be really ticked off if one of my dc was somebody's "project". Now I really am going to stop.:tongue_smilie:

:iagree:Only I've heard of Tupac.

That's what I was thinking, why use her name at all? :tongue_smilie:

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:lol: Dogs are handy that way too, some even clean up play doh :D

:lol::lol::lol: I have some experience with this as well, only our vent was belived to be a DRAIN! Two children who shall remain nameless , had a tea party complete with cream and sugar. When they were finished they poured the whole lot down the "drain". Sometime later, days?, weeks?, I began to smell the most horrific smell. :ack2: It was verrry hard to get rid of, and involved lots of baking soda and the shop vac, and many rantings and ravings on my part that that thing was NOT a drain.:lol::lol:

Sometimes the phone automatically attaches that statement onto emails if you have your phone set up for e-mail. ETA: Why else would she say "Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry " ?

Praying and :grouphug:.

I breathed GIANT sigh of relief! Today marks our 5 year anniversary for the kids adoption finalization! :party: Lisa (who still can't beileve God chose me to be their Mama)

The second option sounds best to me. The first sounds like they are just trying to get as much money as they can out of the *****es as they can.:glare: I don't see any reason why they should be pregnant before they have even weaned the first litter. IMHO.

Just :grouphug: and prayers.

I buy my flour, white and whole wheat, from a local mill. It's always very fresh and they carry it to my car for me.:001_smile: