Scarlett Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 The daughter Rachael that is testifying...it is just heartbreaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrincessMommy Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 what Utah murder trial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MariannNOVA Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Hi, Scarlett.......I have been following updates about it on satellite radio as I do a ton of driving. It is heartbreaking for the kids and for the mom's family. This afternoon I learned that their teenage son committed suicide a few years ago. It's just so awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Hi, Scarlett.......I have been following updates about it on satellite radio as I do a ton of driving. It is heartbreaking for the kids and for the mom's family. This afternoon I learned that their teenage son committed suicide a few years ago. It's just so awful. Oh my word. I missed that. I have ony been watching it a couple of days. Rachaels testimony today was very difficult to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 what Utah murder trial? http://fox13now.com/2013/10/24/daughter-testifies-in-former-utah-doctors-murder-trial/ A doctor is accused of drowning his wife in their bathtub. Their 6 yo dd found her. There were 8 kids altogether....their only boy is the one that Mariann just mentioned killed himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingersmom Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I was watching Nancy Grace last week and they were taking about a 16 year old adopted daughter from the Ukraine. After moving in girlfriend/nanny he sent 16 year old back to Ukraine on premise of vacation and then abandoned her. I think it was an aunt that bought her back to US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 I was watching Nancy Grace last week and they were taking about a 16 year old adopted daughter from the Ukraine. After moving in girlfriend/nanny he sent 16 year old back to Ukraine on premise of vacation and then abandoned her. I think it was an aunt that bought her back to US. Yikes! I hadn't heard that either. Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I'd seen the headlines, but only just read anything about it. the man has no scruples. the daughters are the ones who pushed the police to investigate him for murder. what a despicable action to do to your own children. they've lost their mother, and their father is more unworthy of the role than many louses out there. how incredibly selfish and lacking all parental care. I also think the wife was more attractive than the mistress. but she probably wasn't adoring enough for him. she did have children to care for . . . . unlike most mistresses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DianeW88 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I live in Utah, and I've never even heard of this. Maybe I should watch the news now and then. Nah...I'm tired of man's inhumanity to man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maus Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Had to look to see which Utah murder trial, because an old one from back in my High School years has just been reopened. (Lafferty, for anyone who used to live here. Guy's in his 70's now, and is trying to get off death row for mental incompetency.) Not watching either one for reasons similar to Diane's, but they are both in my county, so I can't miss the newspaper headlines. (I have a paper route, so they stare at me while I'm folding.) Actually, there's a third murder trial in the county. A young dad, only 20 or so, who flipped out on anti- depressants, and shot his infant son in the head before trying to kill himself. He just got life without parole, with the trial just ending this week. DH went to the little one's funeral with our local B.A.C.A. chapter. Frightening, the places the human mind can go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 I live in Utah, and I've never even heard of this. Maybe I should watch the news now and then. Nah...I'm tired of man's inhumanity to man. I thought sure you would know about it. They are LDS and it has been going on since 07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I'd never heard of it, but I don't keep up with such things. I found this older article that gives a lot of background: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700088382/Martin-MacNeill-Was-his-wife-Micheles-death-accidental-or-was-it-murder.html?pg=all truly horrendous. Innocent until proven guilty and all, but his history before and after the death sure don't point to innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maus Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I'd never heard of it, but I don't keep up with such things. I found this older article that gives a lot of background: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700088382/Martin-MacNeill-Was-his-wife-Micheles-death-accidental-or-was-it-murder.html?pg=all truly horrendous. Innocent until proven guilty and all, but his history before and after the death sure don't point to innocent. Thanks for the link. So, this is THAT guy? I remember the story, but it died down. I suppose it's taken this long to come to trial... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Thanks for the link. So, this is THAT guy? I remember the story, but it died down. I suppose it's taken this long to come to trial... The mistress is on the stand now. Gypsy Willis. Sickening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I'd never heard of it, but I don't keep up with such things. I found this older article that gives a lot of background: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700088382/Martin-MacNeill-Was-his-wife-Micheles-death-accidental-or-was-it-murder.html?pg=all truly horrendous. Innocent until proven guilty and all, but his history before and after the death sure don't point to innocent. Wow. I just don't know what to say after reading that. The crazy in some people is just inconceivable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songsparrow Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 What a sad and tragic case. I hadn't heard of it before. But I do wonder if the prosecution will be able to provide enough evidence (that's admissible in court) to overcome a reasonable doubt. ETA: I've seen several references to blood at the scene - that the water in the bathtub was reddish or brown, that the victim's clothes and towels from the bathroom had blood on them. But I haven't seen any info about where the blood might have come from - e.g., no injuries mentioned in the autopsy. Is there more evidence on this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 What a sad and tragic case. I hadn't heard of it before. But I do wonder if the prosecution will be able to provide enough evidence (that's admissible in court) to overcome a reasonable doubt. ETA: I've seen several references to blood at the scene - that the water in the bathtub was reddish or brown, that the victim's clothes and towels from the bathroom had blood on them. But I haven't seen any info about where the blood might have come from - e.g., no injuries mentioned in the autopsy. Is there more evidence on this point? Pretty sure the blood came from her face lift incisions. I too worry that there isn't enough evidence to convict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I've been thinking about this. I dot understand why the new woman assumed the identity of the adopted daughter. What did that gain them? And if they were claiming to be married then, wouldn't that have been considered incest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 I've been thinking about this. I dot understand why the new woman assumed the identity of the adopted daughter. What did that gain them? And if they were claiming to be married then, wouldn't that have been considered incest? I think I missed a lot of this......but my understanding is that it had to do with life insurance fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MariannNOVA Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I also think the wife was more attractive than the mistress. but she probably wasn't adoring enough for him. she did have children to care for . . . . unlike most mistresses. I haven't seen photos of anyone b/c I said, I have been listening and not watching. However, early on, I caught a snippet about the husband 'forcing' or insisting the now deceased wife to undergo a face lift because he didn't think she was attractive 'enough.' Additionally, the teenage son's then-girlfriend (and my heavens, has this family suffered!) provided testimony regarding the way the husband 'introduced' the mistress/nanny into the household. Those poor kids. Oh, and I do remember hearing that the husband was heavily in debt and he had taken a life insurance policy on his wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 The wife was definitely more attractive than the mistress. Even pictures of the mistress from 6 years ago shows her to be less attractive than the wife. And the wife was 50! Same old story....doesn't matter how attractive a wife is or how good of a mother she is or how well she cares for the home or how good of a wife she is.....there are husbands who will cheat anyway. That is bad enough of course....but the cheating husband who then kills his wife and introduces the Mistress into the family as a nanny just 2 weeks after the funeral.....that is a special kind of psycho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerine Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 What in the world? I thought you were talking about this one. I guess there is more than one bathtub murder of an LDS wife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 What in the world? I thought you were talking about this one. I guess there is more than one bathtub murder of an LDS wife. Wow! That is a crazy story too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Oh, and I do remember hearing that the husband was heavily in debt and he had taken a life insurance policy on his wife. decisions, decisions, declare bankruptcy/downsize/be-embarrassed-by-going-backwards-financially - or kill wife and collect life insurance and maintain lifestyle. how shortsighted. he certainly can't be accused of thinking with his brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary in VA Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I saw a television investigation special (think it was ABC, but can't find it again) on the case done about a year ago. Dr. McNeill sounds like a sociopath. He falsified his undergraduate transcripts to get into medical school. Before getting married he ran up all sorts of bad debt writing bad checks, we're talking tens of thousands of dollars and went to jail for it. After his wife died he sent his adopted daughter back to Ukraine to "visit" her sister. She traveled on her Ukrainian passport and dad kept the US passport. He than used the passport to get mistress a name change and tried to get the house he owned with deceased wife put into mistresses name. They got caught for that and all sorts of other fraudulent stuff and went to jail, federal prison I think. I think he did it and is so arrogant he never thought he'd get caught. I hope they have enough admissible evidence to get a conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I finally found an answer to the identity theft thing. http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/Mistress-says-she-moved-in-days-after-wife-died-4934465.php "She was accused of taking the identity of one of MacNeill's adopted daughters to escape a debt-heavy credit history." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 I am glad Gypsy is off the stand. Her demeanor was disturbing. She was so upbeat....showing no shame at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 Vanessa is testifying now. She is the bio mom of Ada. She is shaking. Very sad. The commentator also said that Vanessa has said her dad told her he would help her kill herself since she struggles with drug addiction. That isn't being allowed I to evidence. What a psycho he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted November 6, 2013 Author Share Posted November 6, 2013 Anyone watching? Inmates and ex inmates on the stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 Guilty. Of murder and obstruction of justice. I feel relieved for that family. The jury deliberated for 11 hours until 3:00. So interesting to me to watch how different juries do with virtually the same sort of evidence. I didn't feel there was any more evidence in this trial vs Casey Anthony, yet she was aquited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingersmom Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 So happy he was found guilty! Did you know the doctors brother also drowned in the bathtub??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 I am so glad he was convicted. I feel so sorry for his children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 What ever happened to the adopted daughter he sent back to Ukraine so he could steal her identity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alicia64 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 The wife was definitely more attractive than the mistress. Even pictures of the mistress from 6 years ago shows her to be less attractive than the wife. And the wife was 50! Same old story....doesn't matter how attractive a wife is or how good of a mother she is or how well she cares for the home or how good of a wife she is.....there are husbands who will cheat anyway. That is bad enough of course....but the cheating husband who then kills his wife and introduces the Mistress into the family as a nanny just 2 weeks after the funeral.....that is a special kind of psycho. Sociopath. I think we heard that term with Ted Bundy so much that we didn't realize that there are average, everyday sociopaths that might commit murder, but might also "just" cheat or commit white collar crime or buy giganto homes they can't afford and then disappear etc. etc. etc. Alley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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