Hunter Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Can we list K-8 programs that are compacted into 6 years or rotate in 3/6 year cycles? The old Math Mammoth light blue series The ORIGINAL Doubleday hardback What Your _ Grader Needs to Know series grades 1-6. Students of the Word curriculum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 MEP math ** corrected link http://www.cimt.plymouth.ac.uk/projects/mepres/primary/default.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 MEP math Http://cimt.plymouth.ac.uk/projects/mepres/primary/default.htm That link doesn't work for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 That link doesn't work for me. Sorry. i needed the www. I will correct. http://www.cimt.plymouth.ac.uk/projects/mep/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Sorry. i needed the www. I will correct. http://www.cimt.plym...k/projects/mep/ Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nansk Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Why would you term MM as "a K-8 program that can be compacted into 6 years"? It is just a 6 year program; it doesn't even have a K year. I can understand the possibility of compacting MEP Reception-Y8 into 6 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8filltheheart Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Why would you term MM as "a K-8 program that can be compacted into 6 years"? I was wondering about the wording of the question as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I don't really understand the compacting thing but I can understand the possibility of compacting MEP Reception-Y8 into 6 years. MEP y1-6 (+/- reception) is sort of independent from y7-9; I think it's not necessary for those who did the primary program and is generally used by those who start later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 I don't own MM. I was just going by what I HEARD about the old light blue series. I would just like to list the programs where k-8 is compacted into 6 years/levels, and program that run on 3/6 year rotations. My question focuses on scheduling, not pedagogy (if that is the right word). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 I don't really understand the compacting thing but MEP y1-6 (+/- reception) is sort of independent from y7-9; I think it's not necessary for those who did the primary program and is generally used by those who start later. Thanks for the explanation, Stripe. Everyone, I'm just curious about scheduling, for people that are looking to compact, catch up, or even year round homeschoolers who want to just stretch out a 6 year year program into 9 years, but want to complete all of a level of each subject, before starting the next level. I'm just looking at easy scheduling. Maybe it's a dumb question, although I don't believe in dumb questions. Whatever! I asked it anyway. Humor me. I'm just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nansk Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I don't really understand the compacting thing but MEP y1-6 (+/- reception) is sort of independent from y7-9; I think it's not necessary for those who did the primary program and is generally used by those who start later. (Totally off-topic - sorry, Hunter.) This was debated on the MEP Yahoo group recently, and I agreed with the person who said that it was necessary to do the Express track of Y7-9 before a normal student would be ready for the GCSE. Of course, I have no experience with the higher levels; it's just that having seen the scope of MEP Y6, I think I agree with her conclusion that only if a student is going to do all of GCSE (Standard + Academic + Express tracks) then the student can go directly from Y6 to GCSE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy Jo Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Perhaps the first 6 years of Milestones Academy? (Her years 7-10 she considered high-school.) Ambleside Online and HUFI could be considered 2x6 rotations as well, at least for history. I would consider MEP a 6 year curriculum as well, if that is desired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Spelling Plus teaches a very few words for K, but basically breaks up the 1000 most common words into 6 levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8filltheheart Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I don't own MM. I was just going by what I HEARD about the old light blue series. I would just like to list the programs where k-8 is compacted into 6 years/levels, and program that run on 3/6 year rotations. My question focuses on scheduling, not pedagogy (if that is the right word). I don't know of any reputable program that claims to compact 9 yrs of education into 6. I am not sure what you mean by 3/6 yr rotations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 This was debated on the MEP Yahoo group recently, and I agreed with the person who said that it was necessary to do the Express track of Y7-9 before a normal student would be ready for the GCSE. Maybe bcause a lot of MEP homeschoolers don't do GCSE but move to a more traditional American math track, it's not so much of an issue. I do think there are interesting things in y7-9, e.g. logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Perhaps the first 6 years of Milestones Academy? (Her years 7-10 she considered high-school.) Ambleside Online and HUFI could be considered 2x6 rotations as well, at least for history. I would consider MEP a 6 year curriculum as well, if that is desired. Thanks! I have some reading to do at Milestone. What is HUFL? I don't know of any reputable program that claims to compact 9 yrs of education into 6. I am not sure what you mean by 3/6 yr rotations. I don't want to get into reputable or not. :D TWTM is a 4 year rotation. Easy Peasy is another 4 year rotation. Other multilevel curricula use a different number of years to rotate through history/science/Bible. I'm primarily interested in 6 year rotations but also 3 year rotations that could be completed twice to line up with other 6 year curricula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 I used some MEP stuff back in the early 2000s, but not since then. I appreciate the explanations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa B Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I've never used it, but I think Veritas Press must. They start Omnibus in 7th grade and that is much more like a high school level program in both history and English. They do US history in 1st and then a 5 year rotation of history in 2nd - 6th, followed by two three-year rotations. Saxon math. Originally the first book was 54 and could be started as soon as a student had very solid math facts. So six books: 54, 65, 76, 87, Algebra 1/2, Algebra 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8filltheheart Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I don't want to get into reputable or not. :D TWTM is a 4 year rotation. Easy Peasy is another 4 year rotation. Other multilevel curricula use a different number of years to rotate through history/science/Bible. I'm primarily interested in 6 year rotations but also 3 year rotations that could be completed twice to line up with other 6 year curricula. Ok, I think I understand. From my perspective, the question isn't a question that has an answer b/c I reject the necessity of any sort of rotation in history and science for K8 to begin with. I absolutely believe that studying history and science is a necessity, but I do not believe that they need to be studied cyclically in order to be well-prepared for high school/college level courses. This is also quite different from compacting K8 material for skill-oriented courses like math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I can't remember the details about Mater Amabilis, but they don't use 4 year history rotations. http://materamabilis.org/ma/mater-amabilis-an-overview/ http://materamabilis.org/ma/lesson-plans-and-schedules/history/ http://materamabilis.org/ma/lesson-plans-and-schedules/history/introhistorytcoo/ They are Catholic but most of the subject areas are basically taught with secular materials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeritasMama Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Thanks! I have some reading to do at Milestone. What is HUFL? HUFI is Higher Up and Further In, a free online K-12 CM curriculum that is based on AO and other classical curriculum. http://www.charlotte...-schedules.html HUFI is set up with Years 1-6 and then Years 7-12 much like AO, but I know AO uses a 6 year history rotation, I'm not sure if HUFI would be considered a 6 year history rotation. I believe that the history rotation in HUFI is closer to TWTM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Simply Charlotte Mason's History/Geography modules are a 6-year cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 Ok, I think I understand. From my perspective, the question isn't a question that has an answer b/c I reject the necessity of any sort of rotation in history and science for K8 to begin with. I absolutely believe that studying history and science is a necessity, but I do not believe that they need to be studied cyclically in order to be well-prepared for high school/college level courses. This is also quite different from compacting K8 material for skill-oriented courses like math. I don't believe in the necessity of content rotations either, but I'm just looking at idiot proof scheduling. When someone writes a rotation, they usually make an effort to include a set of SKILLS equally spread out over the CONTENT rotation. And of course they make an effort to do something complete in regards to content. This really is just about idiot proof scheduling. I was just looking through my old SOW curriculum and of course everyone knows how much I love the old NtK books, and I just started wondering what else was out there that broke something pretty complete--by at least the author's standards--into 6 levels. So many curricula make an effort now to line up with TWTM's 4 year rotation, knowing that people are scheduling that way. It just makes things easy. I seem to be accumulating a few 6 year resources though, so...I'm thinking of just going with it. I'm just curious what is out there, that I haven't looked at. I get curious sometimes. Not for a good reason. I just get curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 HUFI is Higher Up and Further In, a free online K-12 CM curriculum that is based on AO and other classical curriculum. http://www.charlotte...-schedules.html HUFI is set up with Years 1-6 and then Years 7-12 much like AO, but I know AO uses a 6 year history rotation, I'm not sure if HUFI would be considered a 6 year history rotation. I believe that the history rotation in HUFI is closer to TWTM. I thought Higher Up and Further in was the Anne of Green Gables unit study. :lol: Or the Narnia one or something. I'm just confused. :biggrinjester: Thanks for setting me straight!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted May 31, 2013 Author Share Posted May 31, 2013 You ladies are making me look at some curricula I've known about for years/decades in a whole new way. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeritasMama Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 I thought Higher Up and Further in was the Anne of Green Gables unit study. :lol: Or the Narnia one or something. I'm just confused. :biggrinjester: Thanks for setting me straight!!! It is also the name of the Narnia unit study, so your confusion is understandable ;) . I think that most people just call the free HUFI curriculum Charlotte Mason Help or CMH, since that is the name of the website and the yahoo user group. I have found her articles on how to implement CM methods very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five More Minutes Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Maybe BFSU? It's "chunked" into three groups (K-2, 3-5, 6-8), but the first one at least could be compacted to a year if need be. (I haven't actually used the higher level volumes yet, so I'm not sure how easy accelerating would be later on.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy Jo Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Haha - Sorry I meant HUFI = Charlotte Mason Help. Her history is 1-4 dual strands of world & American, year 5 is non-western cultures, and year 6 is ancients (which works into AO as year 7 is middle ages). That's what I get for not proof-reading. Artner's guide could be done in many ways - it just divides American history into 8 time periods, and is recommended over 6 years (3rd-8th). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Maybe BFSU? It's "chunked" into three groups (K-2, 3-5, 6-8), but the first one at least could be compacted to a year if need be. (I haven't actually used the higher level volumes yet, so I'm not sure how easy accelerating would be later on.) 2 years per book would take 6 years. Haha - Sorry I meant HUFI = Charlotte Mason Help. Her history is 1-4 dual strands of world & American, year 5 is non-western cultures, and year 6 is ancients (which works into AO as year 7 is middle ages). That's what I get for not proof-reading. Artner's guide could be done in many ways - it just divides American history into 8 time periods, and is recommended over 6 years (3rd-8th). Artner's is based off of the OLD NtK books I like so much, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Noeo Science does three year rotations of Biology, Chemistry, and Physics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy Jo Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Yes it uses 3rd-6th grade "Need to Know" books by Hirsch. It's copyright 2000 - I'm pretty sure it matched up with my old books that are ... somewhere. :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nansk Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 I thought Higher Up and Further in was the Anne of Green Gables unit study. :lol: Or the Narnia one or something. The Narnia unit study is called Further Up and Further In (FUFI). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share Posted June 1, 2013 Ladies, thanks so much for playing along. I Iearned a LOT! Sometimes I just want to know information, that I probably will never use. And I just wanted to know. And best yet, Higher Up and Further In is NOT a unit study. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm4him Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Hunter, I know you have issues with CC, but the Foundations guide is a 3 year rotation of 24 weeks (like SOW) and Essentials is the same every year but it is 24 weeks too which is nice. And they use a 3 year IEW cycle to line up with their history topics. I am lining everything up into one or 3 year rotations for 24 weeks and in three age groups/levels of mastery K3-K5, 1st-3rd, and 4th-6th. SOW does something very similar with some of their lessons like English and Spelling/Phonics if I remember correctly. I like that approach. It takes the most important information in language arts and rotates it. I even lined up phonics this way. 3 phonograms per week for review. In preschool they will learn about one phonogram (the alphabet) per week and in K they will learn 2 multi-letter phonograms per week. After that they will just review 3 every week by making a chart and then quiz 30 of them rotating between hear and write and see and say methods. This allows me to teach all my kids together. And Essentials breaks up Spelling Plus into three levels and they've written the spelling rules that correspond with that list above each list. You can see this free online with the Essentials samples. So I can test my kids together allowing my 6 year old to step out after the first list. Level A is the first and second grade lists, Level B is the third and fourth grade lists, and Level C is the fifth and sixth grade lists. It also has homophones tied to the lists which covers almost every homophone from her Homophones Book. I will also use the Dictation Book to give them about 5 sentences per day from each level, again letting them leave after their appropriate level. For my fifth and sixth graders they will get 45 words per day and 15 sentences (or I may do words two days a week and sentences 2 days a week or something like that.) I hope that makes sense.....Gotta nurse the baby...maybe I'll add more later..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Keeper Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 2 years per book would take 6 years. Artner's is based off of the OLD NtK books I like so much, right? Yes it uses 3rd-6th grade "Need to Know" books by Hirsch. It's copyright 2000 - I'm pretty sure it matched up with my old books that are ... somewhere. :p Just in case anyone NEEDS TO KNOW ;) I use Artner's for our American studies and it matches my older ed. NtK books. It uses the 3rd through 6th grade books. I really like using Artner guide; it makes things very easy to get done, whether it is a little or a lot. The basic scope and sequence with lots of breathing room is what I need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewelma Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 SWR gets though high school level words by 6th grade IEW for writing with just TWSS MCT musical hemispheres does an excellent job of all elementary poetry in just one book 3 month book. But you could add the town level book for a second 3 month session and finish up through 8th grade. I think you could get quite a few responses on the accelerated board because a lot of them have to do quite a bit of compacting and would know which curricula are more to the point. Ruth in NZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted June 3, 2013 Author Share Posted June 3, 2013 stm4him, thanks for mentioning CC. It might be useful info for anyone else reading this thread who is using 3/6 year curricula, but as a tutor of older students, I am not allowed to buy the parts of CC that I like the lost. CC definitely need to be on this list, though. Zookeeper thans for the added info on Artner. Lewellma, thanks for your ideas too. I'll look up MCT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom0012 Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 What about SWR? I think that takes 6 years to complete and, if fully utilized, would cover spelling, grammar and handwriting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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