keptwoman Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 :laugh: But then you still have to read all of the posts that are in response. Yeah but I just get the succinct juicy bits, without all the ignorant waffle AND with a lovely response already done for me so I can go away happy and eat my toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie_0801 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I dont know Rosie. Perhaps we should invade them. Then we could use all those lovely tax dollars we would receive from all the newly enslaved happy Marxists to pay for that desalination plant we need mwahahahahahahahaha I've got Peek and pqr on ignore, the silence is golden LOL Combine forces with the Canadians, you rekon? Nah, it's ok you Americans. We're don't want you, you're too argumentative. :lol: Better I argue with pqr than my husband, heheh. Rosie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeacherZee Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I dont know Rosie. Perhaps we should invade them. Then we could use all those lovely tax dollars we would receive from all the newly enslaved happy Marxists to pay for that desalination plant we need mwahahahahahahahaha I've got Peek and pqr on ignore, the silence is golden LOL Is this to go with the fact that you have now got New Zeeland 30cm closer to you? Are you secretly pulling the entire world closer to you?:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen in NS Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) Originally Posted by keptwomanI also remain confused as to why our happiness with our systems, the point of this thread, is being argued with and derided. Perhaps this is because some of us do not want your system shoved down our throats. I don't think this has been happening on this thread. I don't think there is a need to provoke a debate about the rightness/wrongness of such a system on *this thread.* The thread is about happiness/unhappiness and the reasons why. But it seems to me like you and Peek a Boo keep wanting to lead readers down rabbit trails away from the thread's purpose. How about joining into the bigger debates going on in the other health care threads instead? (desperately hoping this thread stays on track and unlocked - I liked the questions in the OP and reading about others' happy/unhappy experiences! :D) Edited July 23, 2009 by Colleen in NS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keptwoman Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Is this to go with the fact that you have now got New Zeeland 30cm closer to you? Are you secretly pulling the entire world closer to you?:D Well I dream of the day I can drive from Aussie to the land of my birth over a bridge. I think we need a few more earthquakes though, and if they can all be plenty away from built up areas that would be fab. 7.8 near Wellington would not be pretty. Of course I've met people in my travels that think I can already drive from Aussie to NZ.... Over the Sydney Harbour Bridge :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Combine forces with the Canadians, you rekon? Nah, it's ok you Americans. We're don't want you, you're too argumentative. :lol: We've been able to combine forces quite successfully in the past and present. Peacekeeping, anyone? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Combine forces with the Canadians, you rekon? Nah, it's ok you Americans. We're don't want you, you're too argumentative. :lol: Oh sure! Leave the Canucks with all the risk, eh? Don't THINK I don't know what's going on here. We're going to do all the dirty work - beat down the opposition with hockey sticks, suppress any will to rebel with a constant barrage of Celine Dion ballads (poor buggers) and then YOU lot are going to walk in, blind us with your glowing tans, and take credit for the whole thing. Next thing you know, out with President William Shatner and in with President Hugh Jackson... Oh. Oooh. Yum. Actually, I think I could go for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Hey! I just remembered, there are a couple of Aussie ships in New York at the moment, it will be the work of a moment for K Rudd to email the captain and tell him to take NY by force. when are the ships loading?:bigear: I have a few dozen eggs ready for the take over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Is this to go with the fact that you have now got New Zeeland 30cm closer to you? Are you secretly pulling the entire world closer to you?:D Dam, that secret is out now as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeacherZee Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Dam, that secret is out now as well! Blame the British :D I heard it on BBC (on NPR) today :D I say use the Aussies for close combat. They can put those cricket bats to good use. ETA: or you know they could just try and explain the rules to cricket. That should put the American's right to sleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (desperately hoping this thread stays on track and unlocked - I liked the questions in the OP and reading about others' happy/unhappy experiences! :D) I'll add my general experiences. I haven't had any unhappy ones really. I guess the only one was a cranky nurse in a ward room when I gave birth to Catherine. But other then that the experience was good. It went to great with Harry. We used our insurance to upgrade from the free ward room to a private recovery room when I was in with Harry (no out of pocket except for a hospital fee of around $35). That was at the IWK Grace here in Halifax and it was great. The birhting rooms were large and had a lot of comforts and the care was exceptional. Oh wait. Harry needed dental surgery (which was covered by the province) and although he got in in a reasonable amount of time for the first one the wait for the second was almost a year and that was with a cancelation. Grrrr. Is almost cost him a tooth. Any time I've needed to get in to my family doctor for a sick child or an injury it's been a matter of hours (with a recent ear infection) to a day (when I bruised my tailbone). I had a kidney stone last year and went to the ER and that was a 6 hour wait for someone to tell me it had already passed but ER's everywhere can be like that at times. I did go back for an ultrasound a few weeks later and went a little early and the clinic was running so well I actually got out before my real appointment time! There have been health crises in the family in the past couple of years. My mom found a lump, my dad had prostate cancer - both were handled quickly and they're both healthy today. My MIL is undergoing chemo for kidney disease right now and has had no complaints either. So it was the wait for dental surgery that was the one really bad experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 So it was the wait for dental surgery that was the one really bad experience. I can't call it a bad experience, but I did have to wait about 4 months to get a couple of moles removed. They tested normal, but I really hated them. I was told cosmetic elective surgeries get bumped down the queue in favour of medically necessary surgeries. You know what? I really did NOT have a problem with that at all. Even though I was going to have to pay to have those moles removed, it didn't bother me in the least that someone who needed to have an abnormal, or gods forbid, cancerous mole removed would get in line ahead of me and my vanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 ETA: or you know they could just try and explain the rules to cricket. That should put the American's right to sleep :lol: And the Canucks to for that matter. Cricket never took here. If it can't be played on the ice while drinking beer and bleeding, it's not really a sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie_0801 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I wonder if our POV might make a little more sense if I explained that quite a few of our services ran better under the government than they have since privatisation. Rosie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I can't call it a bad experience, but I did have to wait about 4 months to get a couple of moles removed. They tested normal, but I really hated them. I was told cosmetic elective surgeries get bumped down the queue in favour of medically necessary surgeries. You know what? I really did NOT have a problem with that at all. Even though I was going to have to pay to have those moles removed, it didn't bother me in the least that someone who needed to have an abnormal, or gods forbid, cancerous mole removed would get in line ahead of me and my vanity. I agree! Even Harry's teeth weren't life threatening, although it did cause him pain near the end of the wait. I really do resent that wait. Ah well, I'll never claim our healthcare is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 :lol: And the Canucks to for that matter. Cricket never took here. If it can't be played on the ice while drinking beer and bleeding, it's not really a sport. Well, :D of course. Cricket vs. Hockey. Duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 duplicate ... sorry my fingers are a-flyin tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TeacherZee Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I can't call it a bad experience, but I did have to wait about 4 months to get a couple of moles removed. They tested normal, but I really hated them. I was told cosmetic elective surgeries get bumped down the queue in favour of medically necessary surgeries. You know what? I really did NOT have a problem with that at all. Even though I was going to have to pay to have those moles removed, it didn't bother me in the least that someone who needed to have an abnormal, or gods forbid, cancerous mole removed would get in line ahead of me and my vanity. I wanted to add an experience with this in Sweden. Over a six month period while I was in college in the UK I had a mole-like growth on my leg that I just didn't get around to having dealt with (thus putting a damper on the "free healthcare leads to flooding of the doctors" argument that is going on in the other thread). When I got back to Sweden I went and saw my doctor. I got an appointment within days and had it removed two days after the initial appointment. It turned out to just be a fibroid (or something like that) and nothing serious but I really felt like the doctor took it very serious and dealt with it appropriate. Another example of the great care we get is the fact that our family doctor called my dad at home the other evening because he was concerned about some of the blood tests that my dad is having due to his illness. Turned out my dad (who NEVER takes medication) had forgotten to take his medication one night. My mum gave him a talking to for that:D To me that shows that our doctor cares and does his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I wonder if our POV might make a little more sense if I explained that quite a few of our services ran better under the government than they have since privatisation. Rosie I don't think that would help because I don't think that would be considered possible.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 duplicate You're drinking again, aren't you Audrey. :( :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 You're drinking again, aren't you Audrey. :( :lol: Only the federally mandated two-four of Molson's per day. NEVER more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen in NS Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I wonder if our POV might make a little more sense if I explained that quite a few of our services ran better under the government than they have since privatisation. Rosie I don't think so - I think it will re-ignite the right/wrong debate. I feel like I'm pushing a truck uphill - maybe I should stop trying?:lol: We'll see....it's been a fun brain challenge for me. You UHCers are making me :lol::lol::lol: this evening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 You UHCers are making me :lol::lol::lol: this evening! It's a side effect of too much happy. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen in NS Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 It's a side effect of too much happy. :D You especially, girl! You are on a roll all over the place tonight!! Happy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovedtodeath Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 I wonder if our POV might make a little more sense if I explained that quite a few of our services ran better under the government than they have since privatisation. Rosie I don't think it would help because the government ran was the already established deal and privatization is new. So... the government ran being the new deal would really reverse the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemyboys Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 When filling prescriptions in one European country, we needed 60 pills (2x day for a month) but due to fraud and abuse, the pills weren't dispensed individually, they came in pre-packaged blister cards 25 each, 2 to a box = 50 per box. So I had to buy two boxes for a total of 100 pills to fill my prescription of 60. And then save the leftover 40, just in case. A year later I needed a new prescription, the 40 had expired, I had to buy 2 boxes of 50 to have enough for my prescription. quote] :confused::confused: the pharmacy where I worked before having children, Cut the sheet of blister pack, and boxed the exact amount of pills . I really don't see what blister packs have to do with it. you just had a dumb pharmacist. I really don't think you can judge a whole medical system by one dumb pharmacist. Sorry I didn't see this to respond. As I said, this was just one tiny example. But I disagree with you. In that country, the pharmacist would have been risking jail time to cut open the blister packs and individually dispense. I could've been an inspector checking on compliance. Almost all the medicines in the pharmacy were prepackaged. That's the way their system was set up. obviously, ymmv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Sorry I didn't see this to respond. As I said, this was just one tiny example. But I disagree with you. In that country, the pharmacist would have been risking jail time to cut open the blister packs and individually dispense. I could've been an inspector checking on compliance. Almost all the medicines in the pharmacy were prepackaged. That's the way their system was set up. obviously, ymmv That does sound a little weird. If I go to get a prescription filled I get the number of pills I need to fill the prescription, no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swellmomma Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 You UHCers are cracking my up all through this thread. I want to join the take over but will leave all the talking to you, I will stay in the back ready to steal the wallets of americans while they try to fight the rest of you.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest merriefieldacademy Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 The original post asked: Are you happy with the health care there? Have you truly seen delayed treatment? <snip>I often wonder if we Americans have been brain washed into thinking that other systems aren't functioning well in order to keep the insurance industry/big business sector rolling. </snip> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I was very happy with the healthcare I received when I lived in Europe. My Italian friends were very happy with the healthcare system and were thankful for having it. The only delay I experienced was in meeting with one of the European drs. because he was in conference with another patient and it lasted longer than expected. You don't see that in the US...only delays because they overbook but they won't spend more than 15 minutes with you. They herd you right out when times up whether you are done or not wtih the Dr. My experiences in Europe were simple and uncomplicated. No fancy rooms, no tvs in rooms, just the necessities were provided and I had very skilled drs. and nurses both of which cared for me the patient. I have not had such experiences in the US. Everything is complicated and makes my BP rise 100 pts. I've never felt a dr. cared for me or my health. I do believe that Americans have been "brainwashed" into this thinking as you suggest because of big business and insurance. I've worked in a health insurance corporate office and it's all about the money, not the patient. I left there as soon as I found another job, even though it was less pay. We have the worst healthcare that I've ever seen...the US military provided healthcare. The drs. are sub par (4 different drs. couldnt diagnose a staph infection even after I was septic) one trip to a civilian and before the test confirmed it, he knew what was wrong. Unfortunately it was too long in a diagnosis and I was very sick, near death and it's been a long hard recovery. It was also too late for my hip joints because the infection ate away at them and now I have a permanent disability at age 35 and am needing a double hip replacement. However, I can't get SS Disability because of the fact I haven't worked enough and that is because of my hubby's career in the military and living overseas for many years. Most days I can barely walk, I can't run with my child or participate in many of my favorite sports any longer. They don't care at all about the patient, they are ill equipped to diagnose and then to handle children with mental health issues and you are shuffled from dr. to dr. who always starts at block 1 so you never get anywhere. I take matters into my own hand and pay for almost all of mine and my childs healthcare out of my own pocket without repayment from Tricare (the military insurance). No I can't afford it but I feel we'd be dead if I didn't pay for it. All in all mililtary healthcare has ruined my life in many ways. The insurance system and current healthcare system sure doesn't work so I'm for govt healthcare as long as they don't model it after the mlitary system!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) I've got Peek and pqr on ignore, the silence is golden LOL The technological equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and screaming NANANNANNANANANAM Edited July 23, 2009 by pqr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Lynx Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 We don't need to look at how government-run health care in other countries works. All we need to do is see how our government has handled Medicare, Medicaid, and VA care. In a nutshell, that's it for me. Government run health care makes people happy in other countries? That's great. I'm happy for you. But I don't understand how anyone can look at Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA and believe that our American government is going to be AT ALL good at this. Why on earth would it NOT be a nightmare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pqr Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) Oh for goodness sake... But you ...have basically retreated into an ad hominem attack. If someone doesn't think UHC is such a bad idea then they're either a lying Marxist or a soft-minded slave. I put it simply. Explain the difference between your beliefs on UHC and the core beliefs of Marxism. Show how the basic tenets such as “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.” differs from your willingness to take my money (because I have it and the ability to earn it) and give it so someone else who needs it? This is not an attack, rather an attempt to define the belief system that supporters of UHC adhere to. It seems to me that the beliefs are Marxism light or Socialism......but if you would rather talk about other things, well I understand. Edited July 23, 2009 by pqr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidsHappen Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 The original post asked: The drs. are sub par (4 different drs. couldnt diagnose a staph infection even after I was septic) one trip to a civilian and before the test confirmed it, he knew what was wrong. Unfortunately it was too long in a diagnosis and I was very sick, near death and it's been a long hard recovery. I had the exact same experience with several different civilian doctors, two hospitals in two different states. Three months from initial infection to death's door step. Two weeks in hospital, several different anti-biotics. :glare: On the other hand, I was going to post that I had military health care for the first 26 years of my life in several different branches, states, and countries and I was always happy with the care I received. Wait time were a little long and an appointment might take all day but the care was always good. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie_0801 Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 The technological equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and screaming NANANNANNANANANAM Oh great. Another cultural difference. Here we say "LALALALALALALALALALALA" :tongue_smilie: Rosie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keptwoman Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Or I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUUUU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlemaiden Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Oh great. Another cultural difference. Here we say "LALALALALALALALALALALA" :tongue_smilie: Rosie Rosie, I haven't read a single post from this thread until today. I went ahead to "last page" to see how the discussion had digressed, and there you are making me laugh. Lalalalalalalalalalalalal. Thanks. Regarding government/single payer health care: No frickin' way. We military people are only comfortable because we know when they can't handle it, they will farm us off to the private sector. Quit messing with the private sector Washington! They may have their issues, but they produce good medicine. Any one of us reading this thread wants the private sector to succeed. We may need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 In a nutshell, that's it for me. Government run health care makes people happy in other countries? That's great. I'm happy for you. But I don't understand how anyone can look at Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA and believe that our American government is going to be AT ALL good at this. Why on earth would it NOT be a nightmare? Well, we're just sharing our experience, not debating US care anymore. That and planning our invasion of course. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keptwoman Posted July 23, 2009 Share Posted July 23, 2009 Well, we're just sharing our experience, not debating US care anymore. That and planning our invasion of course. :D Shhhhhhhh! Don't tell them!! We need the element of surprise :w00t: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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