I don't know how hslda makes its list, or why they put MFW in the "history" list instead of "complete" list. Makes no sense to me. But I found MFW complete for high school with the exception of meeting a few electives that my cover school asked for. (I'm in one of those states where we use cover schools as a way to be legal homeschooling.) Nothing from mfw was rejected by them. I used MFW for all four years of high school (as well as all of the other years) and my oldest was well prepared for college. It worked just fine for us. I first used mfw in 2003 when oldest was in grade 2. Can you believe back then that we started in ECC because Adventures had not yet been written? She used it all the way in the 5 year cycle(investigate) and all of high school. She's super genius person who just graduated college. summa cum laude (yes, I'm still in mommy brag about that since the ceremony was 1 month ago) with 3 STEM degrees in 4 years. crazy I know, right? I still can't believe she did all of that. She was also well prepared for her Gen Ed humanities. She was at a university that required 2 "religion courses" as part of Gen Ed. She did an OT class. MFW's AHL well prepped her for that. And she did a world religions course too. and did fine in that. We're definitely the weirdos who did not add to MFW except for personalized electives and little things like the required by my cover school PE course. And we picked a different route for Fine Arts than the build your own credit style that was in MFW WHL. and I'm the odd ball in homeschooling that didn't do dual enrollment or outsource classes. But anything would have worked with her given her ability level. Middle gal is not the same academic genius. She's more slow to average. Also used MFW the whole way (from the old preschool through grade 12). She's on a non traditional path for college degree. One of the best things for her in using mfw was the daily lesson planning to keep working to get it done. She's done well on her clep exams that the community college will accept. just wanted to encourage you if you really want to use mfw for high school, go ahead. don't over think it about the hslda list categories. Oldest got into first choice college with top scholarships of the college. and she was motivated to do well. The university didn't really ask for detail list of curriculum. They wanted transcript and ACT scores. I know some people do have to send lists of what was used in each course. But like 8fill said, unless you're dealing with NCAA sports issues, it's going to be fine most likely.

and I wanted to say that even though many people review and classify MFW in the Less rigorous approach, our experience was that it was still quality and plenty to do. Rigor is a relative term in the decision. less rigor does not mean bad. My oldest still ended up very well prepared for college (you don't get 3 degrees in 4 years and end up summa cum laude without some serious work) in spite of the "less rigor" label of mfw. results will vary of course. but she would have burned out too soon if we had done too much more. mileage will vary. Just wanted to encourage you that if you something that is viewed as "less rigor" that doesn't mean inferior or bad. No one here has said that of course. But sometimes our mommy brains hear things and we get worried that we're going to fail our kids in high school without the most work or something. It's a balance. ps: nothing wrong with using most rigor either. lots of right ways to get them ready. just wanted to share my personal experiences

to help you see the unseen..... There are 6 books in the required literature in the ancients year. But in the daily lesson plan, they have more optional reading at various levels. So you can easily add to it and they give some suggestions or you can use any reading list you want. (and of course they are also reading the entire Old Testament during that time as well). And then in the world history/lit year, they have a lot of optional lists to read and approximate times of year to do them (especially during time of the research paper). So if you end up with using their stuff, they do try to help with suggested, but optional, reading list. I forgot how many in US1 year. but it was about 20 novels for literature to pick and choose from in the US2 year. I think we did 8. maybe? It was enough. but you can add to it. or use their ideas. Those aren't shown in the package but are in the daily lesson planner and then you grab from library or used sales. wanted to let you know that in case it helps you decide if it's right or not right for your needs.

You might want to also look at My Father's World. My oldest and middle daughters used that for all 4 years. I liked that it was streamlined and open and go for them. I didn't analyze how it compares to TWTM or all of that. My oldest did fine with it and was well prepared for college. She just graduated a month ago with 3 STEM bachelors (electrical engineering, computer science, and math and was summa cum laude at that. wow), and she was also well equipped for humanities and gen ed classes that she took. Middle kid is slow to average in ability and she was able to do the high school work and liked it. Oldest hated the timeline. Middle gal loved it. Oldest hated timeline, but with days to go before her final finals week, she was preparing a poster session and said "oh wow. all of that timeline bleep from mfw is finally paying off". LOL. Middle gal is not traditional path to college due to various abilities, gifts and lack thereof. But overall, I liked how the student could open MFW and get it done. I had to help with some stuff and have audio books to help middle gal, and hold office hours for oldest. It really was "enough" for us. I'm sure that others will say it's baby work. ok. that's all subjective. but it worked out fine for us. Oldest even has a job right out of graduation in her field! yippeee!!! lots of good ways to get all of this done. others did way more than we did. best wishes as you plan and get there. Remember that they may not be ready at the first day of grade 9 to do it all, but they'll get there if you just keep swimming.

Wanted to provide a little more detail on the year 1 and audio if it would help you decide a bit more. Year 1 has 60 lessons. There are 28 audio pieces in the whole year (if I just counted correctly). Most of those times, I didn’t think the main part of that day’s lesson was from the audio. It was part of that day’s lesson. But some days the audio was the main part of the lesson such as lesson 50 where you learn about Victorian age. The audio length on that one is 8 minutes. You can read the script instead and glean the info. Most of that lesson is the narrator describing life in that time and very little is the kids and the relatives. Other lessons where the audio is a part of the day and not the full day the kids talk more. If the audio is not to liking, then the script can be used instead and you and your kids can take turns practicing out loud drama reading skills. I can’t remember where in the physical books the scripts are or aren’t, but I paid the small extra to have download and print so scripts where there in downloads. (ps: the pdf of the script is available at the link where listen to the audio. that's where I got it. ok.) length of audio: from a couple of minutes up to about 20 for the longest one I remember seeing (st. patrick story). I agree that the adventure style listening was not what I wanted and not to my tastes. I had hopes to have my youngest listen while having the script to work on listening skills and hearing audio drama. But she really is not a history fan so it didn’t work out. I don’t know what it is like in the other history years. Even though I read most of the teaching plans, we only actively did through lesson 17 before I decided to give up the hopes that history with this special ed youngest would involve listening to any stories. (She doesn’t even like SOTW so I should have known, but I thought she just didn’t like listening to me read.) not sure if it is what you want or want to not use. but thought some details might help?

tried history year 1. I was looking for lighter approach with youngest to read and listen a little. I wanted to like it. And maybe if I were younger and youngest didn't struggle with autism, it could have worked out. It should have worked out. gave up after 1/3 of way through. decided that for special ed kid, she had enough history and if she didn't learn and review each year, it was ok. It sure met a lot of what I was looking for, but my kid has zero interest. oh, the board game was not a hit with us. I can't even imagine how it would have worked with my regular needs children to guess what to fill in the blanks on events/people they hadn't studied. So I modified the approach to just be "pick a card and read it. move your player. and we stop after 10 minutes." For something they put a lot of work into the board and printing, it needed to be fixed at the content level in my experience. and I only sorta liked the audio stories in content (they were very well done and recording was good), but oh, the preachy teachy old fashioned style just did not click with us personally. I know others really like that style and it comes down to personal likes and dislikes. I only had one religion issue with one sentence in one lesson. I know that's a commonly asked question about the program if you are not LDS. I left out the one sentence in the one question in the one lesson. it was not a make or break issue really. Science: used and liked the classifications unit study. Designed in mind for light approach to not do overkill before high school. I liked the unit. got it on free download day or something. very straightforward. I didn't see a need to supplement heavily but I used it with youngest instead of oldest. I'm sure I would have felt differently with oldest in those years. But I thought that one hit the right stuff for intro to biology for us. Chemistry intro: again, I got it on free download day. so far, this was a nice unit too. designed in mind for upper elementary intro to chemistry without overkill. in my case, youngest is used it as end of year review after a break. haven't used language arts. not going to try new stuff with language for the one with autism and speech/lang therapy.

It is still pinned, but in the General forum.

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Just explaining what I meant on "worksheets" style of labs in my post. In biology, I'd consider learning how to use a biological key a "worksheet style of lab activity". I would consider the kind of labs in biology class where you record the ear lobe shape (attached or free) and do the genetics things, and those pundit squares as "worksheet style of lab activity". In the table of contents I shared, some of the things called "experiments" fall into that category. Other experiments were microscope, dissections, field work (such as observation and recording results -- I almost consider that notebooking). Other people would faint and be shocked and horrified to call that "lab" but just call it homework or something similar. now with chem and physics: I can't remember "worksheet" based ones. But biology, yes. I did them .and it wasn't a disaster for my oldest. In terms of "lab reports" part of the discussion, we didn't do tons of those either. Oldest and middle kept lab notebooks. But for formal report, it was about 2 a year? maybe 3? It was enough that my oldest learned the mantra: Read the Syllabus, Follow the lab template. and you know what happened? When she got to freshman year in physics, it had all been enough to do well. She got A freshman year. (for context: She's 9 days from graduating summa cum laude in electrical engineering, computer science and math... so she never needed biology in college. but did lots of physics and one chem. ) read the syllabus. follow the template. Middle gal has learning disabilities and other issues. so she took CLEP exam in biology to get out of the science gen ed. LOL you just never knew. all of that to say, we were never the most over the top rigor type of homeschoolers. We weren't the lazy ones either. And yet, oldest (who clearly is academically gifted) learned enough in high school and was able to step it up. Our lab reports were not that big of an ordeal either. maybe 2 very formal per year. most were simple summaries of what she did and what she learned.

I'm agreeing it varies. I just found a group school syllabus that is listed as Honors and it was 6 labs a semester. I've seen some places need to meet a percentage of time to count (for some state's public system). I've seen where it's at least one lab per unit. looking forward to hearing wide variety of answers. I don't know if it would help you or not, but maybe looking at the table of contents from apologia would help you have something to make your decision. (or any other publisher, but I could find this link easily) https://www.homesciencetools.com/content/reference/biology_toc.pdf When we did apologia biology, we did 3 out of the 4 listed dissections. We did Most but not all of the "field study" (and paper labs - such as reading key ,and making those squares with your blood type and ear lobe genetics). And most but not all of the microscope labs. It was doable and fun. Could we have done less and still counted it as lab? in my state, yes. not much of an answer, but maybe seeing some of those lab titles will help you as you design a lab.

My oldest took it at the end of her grade 10 year after finishing Saxon Alg 2 and used the dive cd clep prep. she got a 62. and 50 is pass. that worked, didn't it? (8th grade did saxon alg 1, then 9th was jacobs geometry, 10th was saxon alg 2 as I said.) The clep prep on dive cd for saxon alg 2 has about (10 or 20) lessons from the saxon Advanced book and some practice tests. She did not have this score sent to her college as it didn't matter to them for credit for any major (and she's math major and engineering too). But you can see she's a math person so maybe any practice prep would have worked with her. no way to know. I'd like to recommend taking a look at modernstates.org as a resource as a "quick" course after alg 2 to fill gaps, etc. and getting practice tests from REA and/or see if you library has the petersons practice tests available. My gap year (middle dd) has had a lot of success so far with modernstates offerings and REA and peterson's practices. and next week plans to try the clep precalculus as her college choice will allow that for credit and it's all she needs in her studies. (edit: my oldest's story is close to kinsa's children. yeah!)

Oldest received a few printed announcements along with the cap and gown order. Part of the package. So she mailed them to grandparents and out of town aunts/uncles with info on the post ceremony lunch at my house. She views it as an announcement and liked the formality of it over just the FB messages she sent. Not a begging for money or other gifts. But just to say "hey, I'm graduating. wahoo" . She figured that since they were part of the pick up with cap/gown she could mail them or recycle them.

and a story in my circle. My friend has conservatorship over her adult children with intellectual disability. And if the "kids" go missing, the local police can treat as a missing child instead of an adult who just left. probably not the situation the OP is facing though. It's not a one size fits all answer.

Where I live, if the person is not capable of understanding, then it's not valid to have them sign power of attorney. Competence and capacity are legal terms used in determining which can be done. A bit more of the distinctions is in page 8 of the pdf I linked in my first reply (TN ARC). For some people POA is all that is needed. For others, like ali in or, the person will always be a child. and that might be the case for us with youngest.

as techwife said, laws on difference and legal definitions will vary by state. Here's link to the definitions in Oregon (assuming your screen name matches that). One is medical and well being decisions and other is financial http://www.courts.oregon.gov/programs/family/guardianship-conservatorship/Pages/default.aspx In my state, one of the differences is age (minor children have guardians, those 18 and over have conservators). But no distinction in definition of "medical" vs "financial" in the terms. Various levels of finance, medical etc can be given in different situations. eta: yes a representative payee is something else but related.

In theory, one of the downsides is that a hospital or doctor might decide to overrule you and leave you out. Legally, without conservatorship, that could happen in some places. or at least that is what they say in my special needs support circles. And it was worth it to my friends to go through the process. I'm going to link to a pdf document in my state with some discussion points to consider. some mileage may vary in other places. https://www.thearctn.org/Assets/Docs/Conservatorship_Handbook.pdf Some of my circle of SN families have adult children with similar situation to yours and others have less similar. I don't know how all of it comes into play when getting SSI.

Biology yes. Sociology: I mentioned this on another thread, but not this one yet. sorry. She did the older course so I can't really compare apples and orange on it. She had never taken sociology before and did pass. She practiced with petersons and rea for that. She's average student.

Modern States was mentioned. So far we've done well with them. My middle dd just passed biology one today. She did a high school course 4 years ago (apologia). Did the brush up course. For practice tests, our library has the Peterson's clep tests, and we got the REA biology clep book on used market. She's also done same thing with modernstates with sociology, and US history 1 and 2. yes, we got some vouchers through them. and yes, they sent checks for test center fee. Something was weird with biology voucher and never got it and ran out of time and needed to register. oh well. still. good price. Check your library for the GALE Testing and Education Reference Center. At our library, those are the Peterson's CLEP practices. (I had to pay out of city fee for that library as my city's library, just a mile or so away across city lines did not have access. well worth that nominal fee) But yep, with the college she'll transfer to, she has 13 credits with those exams. (edit to update: This week (month after original reply) she took and passed Pre Calc CLEP. used modern states again, and REA and Peterson's practice. and by the way? Modern States offered to pay the biology fee after we passed and explained the tech issue we had with the voucher upload request. awesome! The pre Calc course and topics and problems matched up well with test content. )

I didn't go that route. But my oldest tells me she was well prepared for her freshman chemistry course required for engineers who weren't chemical engineering after she did 2nd edition apologia chemistry. Locally, maybe someone in previous session did well with CLEP after the class. Wanted to suggest that if you try, you might take this short fill in the gaps course on modernstates https://modernstates.org/course/chemistry/ and then practice tests before real thing (check if you library has the peterson clep practice tests online, or get a REA guide)

FWIW I can share similar things we did. I use a cover school to be legal in my state. And the cover school requires 1 year of PE (and 1 semester of health.) Some information was in the text we used for health (Total Health) so it all worked out in the end. I chose to do a blend of academic side of physical fitness learning and logging activity. Oldest was doing archery and wanted to have that sports letter award. So she had to write a 2 page paper on nutrition, training, and injury prevention with her sport. She did basic internet research to do that. Yes, it was part of PE credit. Probably not as rigorous as your student is doing. The next two children used (don’t laugh too hard at this) Monarch’s physical fitness course for the academic side of their PE credit. (yes, monarch as in lifepac/switched on schoolhouse). I was happy surprised. I liked that the course was geared toward lifetime fitness aspect and was age appropriate. Not super rigor but adequate toward this. It’s possible your daughter knows most of the stuff in that course, but it talked about cardio, stretch and strength at basic everyone needs it level. I probably got some discount code at the right time of year. (eta: Physical Fitness is the course we used. monarch has another one called physical education, and I don't have experience with that course) I didn’t have them do the textbook I used for my own fitness instruction training. I’m sure it’s on amazon. Fitness: Theory and Practice: The comprehensive resource for fitness instructors. I used it to become a certified group fitness (dance aerobic) instructor within the last 10 years. (I'm retired now). It may or may not be the right thing for off season training or information for your child. But if you went through that book, that’s an academic course in my opinion and I’d titled it with a little more than just PE grade 10. (Fitness: Theory and Practice sounds good). Oh the cover school I use has student athletes label year 1 as PE. Then if they are in sports, the other years are called the sport name. Or some variation on that. And these days, I’m sure there are some great apps to track training goals. When I was teaching group classes, I simply wore a polar brand heart rate monitor and let it track my heart rate for me. hope something helps a bit.

Two used Total Health. One did Monarch (online version of lifepace/alpha omega). nice as it was on sale and doable to get er done. quick to do. easy for summer.

My oldest and middle used Saxon Advanced and called it Pre Calc. They did a different book for Geometry (jacobs) and we still did all of the lessons in Advanced. Didn't hurt anything to review/remember, repeat. Middle gal is not STEM bound needing more than college algebra (so did any of this matter?). Oldest is a triple STEM major getting ready to get her bachelors in a few weeks. Her degrees are in engineering, comp sci, and math. Oh, and both of them did Advanced in two semesters using lesson plans from mfw. others will have other opinions but that's how it worked out for us.

I just read over on facebook page of Homeschooling for College Credit that modern states will be starting vouchers for AP as well as clep. still the same thing where you do your own full course study, then use modern states for "test prep".

Oh, I reviewed my notes from a previous thread and wanted to add this info: middle gal is also doing the precalculus clep course. That will be a while for her to be ready. The college she intends to enroll will not accept the college alg or math CLEP but will do the pre calc. She did Saxon advanced algebra in grade 12. so we'll see how that goes. Math is not her strength. If she can't pass this, she'll take it in college as a class. While history and sociology were very straightforward (login, do this, read that), we 're figuring out the pre calc as we go in terms of do you just watch the video and do just the "homework", do you do all the odds in the optional text? I'm sure we'll end up regretting trying this one and she'll end up taking a math course for her non-stem major. But worth the effort? dh has the math degree so he is teaching her after she attempts problems. We'll keep trying with this one and either take the test by June or give up. Going very slowly in this. I probably should have done better in grade 11 and 12 with her saxon work. Reviews: they did give legit vouchers for test fee. Those are supposedly limited so when the 10,000 run out, I guess that's done??? I don't know if the courses would be full courses, but I know my daughter is reading all stuff and not just watching the videos. I think the intent is these MOOC are done after you've had high school class in subject and just need to go the extra step to get ready to take the test. However, she's spending a lot of time every day in it. If I were logging hours, I might lean toward class/credit. But she's graduated, so I'm not mindful of that. Others do not consider a class like this to be anything other than preparation for the test and not a way to learn the material. We felt that we needed more than the practice offered at Modern States to do her best on the real tests. That's why we got REA guides, and access to the peterson's practice tests (we are eligible via dept of defense, although some public libraries have those as well)

I didn't comment yesterday since I didn't see the thread until today. Middle daughter is using Modern States this year in her "gap year". results so far: 1. Sociology. did the older modern states soc class (not the one showing currently). Her class was part of edX Arizona State Unviersity course work. Instead of going through ASU for credit, middle gal did the edX class via sign up with modern state, and then got REA guide to study. passed. She had not had any sociology in our homeschool high school. Not much help on that since modern states now has its own review class and it's not what we did 6 months ago. 2. US history 1: she did MFW's high school US 1 history (which uses BJU history for US) when in grade 11. She reviewed with modern states course. We needed more practice questions and tests to be confident for the exam. We had the REA book from when we got it with MFW. did that. passed very easily. as in our jaws dropped seeing the 72 (out of scaled 80). wow. 50 is pass. the modern states course was taken at end of 2017 and so was the CLEP. 3. Us history 2: she did mfw's US2 (which uses BJU history just like us 1) when in grade 12. She reviewed with modern states after new years and took test a few weeks ago. passed this one easily as well. Did some extra practice exams that our library has access to (peterson's stuff) did not get REA guide. So far, Modern States gave us vouchers for test fee. And reimbursement in en route for test center proctor fee. next up in our life is the biology clep. She did regular apologia biology in grade 9, so it's been a while. Started Modern States biology this month (after passing the US2 clep) and we'll do more practice exams than Modern States offers. Just like we did multiple practice ACT exams, she benefits from a little extra practice. Plan to take the CLEP after spring breaks locally and test center has a date. should be within 4 weeks I think. (update: passed bio) next update: also has passed Pre Calc, she did saxon the mfw way in high school followed by self study on modern states and practice tests. a tutor (dad) was needed to help with some parts) Overall, middle gal got extra practice exams. Our library has some of the Peterson's prep tests online, and we have some access via military families route. And I find cheap copies of REA guides, or pay the 12 dollar for online access to practice exams. The courses are self paced. I think they presume previous study while in high school and are refresher courses with test prep. So far they have paid for test vouchers. ETA: her goal is to take CLEP exams for general ed requirements. plans to obtain associates at community college in early childhood, or teaching aide. Maybe some day get bachelors, but it's where she is now. And the specific test are accepted locally for both of those degree paths.