StaceyinLA Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Dd took dgd in to the pediatrician today because we noticed that she has hair in her pubic area. It was looking like it was just very light and thin, but the dr. said some that's coming in looks a little darker. Dgd also had what looked to be little boobs (more than just the breast buds it seemed), but the dr. said she wasn't feeling breast buds now, so that's probably just some fat. She also didn't have hair under her arms or anything (I know - so weird to even think of this on a 6mo). Anyway, they are going to do bloodwork next week (dd and fam are headed out of town for a few days), but we are pretty worried and concerned. She said that it could be nothing, or it could be adrenal gland issues. Has anyone ever seen or heard of this? What did it turn out to be? How worried should we be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom in High Heels Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 How old is she? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaceyinLA Posted March 31, 2014 Author Share Posted March 31, 2014 6 1/2 months. She has had it for a couple months, and it appears to have gotten more prevalent. I mean it's not a ton, but you can definitely see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 When I read your post I wondered if there could be any male friends or relatives using that underarm low-testosterone gel who have been holding your little granddaughter? We get those Axiron commercials on tv all the time and the side effects warning at the end of the commercial is scary because it includes premature signs of puberty in children who have secondary exposure to it. I hope it turns out to be nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tap Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 Is the baby breast fed? Could she be getting hormone exposure from the mom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottakee Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 I would ask for a pediatric endocrinologist consult. They specialize in this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsmm Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 It could be hormones from mom if she's nursing. That is not uncommon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsmm Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 It could be hormones from mom if she's nursing. That is not uncommon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berley Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 My pediatrician advised us to not use any lavender products on my DDs because the lavender can cause exactly what you're describing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abba12 Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I have heard the same thing about secondary exposure to hormone based creams and medications. I think there was a house MD episode on it actually! So is mum or close relatives taking or using ANYTHING hormonally based? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaceyinLA Posted April 1, 2014 Author Share Posted April 1, 2014 She IS nursing, but I don't know if she's getting exposure to any hormones any other way. The only guys who ever really hold her are her dad and pawpaw, and really only her dad for extended periods of time. Lavender though? That's strange. Dd does like lavender products, and may very well use them on the baby. I'll have to mention that for sure. Would you recommend the endocrinologist consult before bloodwork? Dd definitely does NOT want to have to do any more testing than necessary, and is certainly not looking forward to her having to have bloodwork. If an endocrinologist was going to repeat it for any reason, I know she'd probably rather just go there before any testing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 There is no reason that an endo would re-do results that the pedi had just done. They might do different bloodwork, but best to have a place to start from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaceyinLA Posted April 1, 2014 Author Share Posted April 1, 2014 I guess my thought is that they may do a more comprehensive order for bloodwork. The pediatrician has never seen this, and though dd really likes her, I think the concern is she won't know everything to look for. The endo could do it all at once and save dgd from going through the bloodwork more than once (if it's even truly needed at this point - an endo may know from experience that she could just be monitored carefully or something until more symptoms arose). Just what's going through my brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 The thing is? In my experience (and I have a kid with a complicated medical history), they aren't going to make a referral to a specialist w/out eliminating the basics that the pedi could take care of. It just doesn't usually work that way. Not wanting to be stuck with a needle more than once isn't a good enough reason to skip the PCM/pedi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 I guess my thought is that they may do a more comprehensive order for bloodwork. The pediatrician has never seen this, and though dd really likes her, I think the concern is she won't know everything to look for. The endo could do it all at once and save dgd from going through the bloodwork more than once (if it's even truly needed at this point - an endo may know from experience that she could just be monitored carefully or something until more symptoms arose). Just what's going through my brain. I can understand not wanting to put a 6mo old baby through any more testing than necessary, so if it's possible for your dd to bring the baby to a specialist first, I see no good reason not to do that. It's not that easy to hold a screaming baby still while blood is being drawn, and it can also be very upsetting for the mom. It often seems that every doctor wants a few different tests when it comes to bloodwork, so it would be nice if everything could be consolidated into one trip to the lab. But as Mrs Mungo has already pointed out, part of this depends on whether or not your dd needs the referral from the pediatrician in order to see the specialist. Our insurance doesn't work that way, but I know that many people need referrals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 But as Mrs Mungo has already pointed out, part of this depends on whether or not your dd needs the referral from the pediatrician in order to see the specialist. Our insurance doesn't work that way, but I know that many people need referrals. This is a good point. I was thinking this was the dd who is a military wife, so I was looking at it from that insurance perspective. But, maybe that has changed or this is a different dd. I am not as good at keeping track of people as some posters here. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercyA Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 My pediatrician advised us to not use any lavender products on my DDs because the lavender can cause exactly what you're describing. See this bulletin from the National Institutes of Health: http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jan2007/niehs-31.htm “The results of our laboratory studies confirm that pure lavender and tea tree oils can mimic the actions of estrogens and inhibit the effects of androgens. This combinatorial activity makes them somewhat unique as endocrine disruptors.†Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catwoman Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 This is a good point. I was thinking this was the dd who is a military wife, so I was looking at it from that insurance perspective. But, maybe that has changed or this is a different dd. I am not as good at keeping track of people as some posters here. :) Neither am I, so you're probably the one who's remembering correctly! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acadie Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Where would the bloodwork ordered by the ped be drawn? We had one traumatic blood draw in the ped's office when dd was a baby. After that, I always took her to the main campus of our hospital system for blood draws and asked for the pediatric phlebotomist who works on babies and children all day long. Those folks are often great at what they do, and you appreciate it so much with a little one. Your dd could certainly raise the concern with the ped about minimizing blood draws and see if they'd refer right away. With our insurance, we don't need a referral to a specialist, and I'd probably just go straight to a ped endo if that's an option. Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaceyinLA Posted April 3, 2014 Author Share Posted April 3, 2014 A couple of things. First, this isn't the military dd. It is my oldest dd's baby. Insurance red tape isn't going to be an issue thank goodness! However, it just so happens that today her ped's office called and told her they were referring her to a pediatric endocrinologist. The ped said since her knowledge of this was really non-existent, she felt she would surely miss something with the testing (for the poster who asked though, they were gonna have the bloodwork done at the woman's hospital since they're used to drawing from infants). I'm impressed that the ped isn't too proud to admit a limitation here (certainly some would be), and that she could take the baby not having to be tested more than once into consideration. The other possibility would be that an endo with knowledge of the conditions that could cause this, may not feel she needs testing unless there are further issues that develop. I'm hoping for that scenario. Thanks for all the input. I will update when she is seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmMusa Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Thank you for posting this. I use essential oils quite often in my house and on myself and my kids. I wonder if it could be making me have a high estrogen effect... I did grow a polyp in my uterus. I've passed this info along to others I know who use essential oils a lot. See this bulletin from the National Institutes of Health: http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jan2007/niehs-31.htm “The results of our laboratory studies confirm that pure lavender and tea tree oils can mimic the actions of estrogens and inhibit the effects of androgens. This combinatorial activity makes them somewhat unique as endocrine disruptors.†Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercyA Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Thank you for posting this. I use essential oils quite often in my house and on myself and my kids. I wonder if it could be making me have a high estrogen effect... I did grow a polyp in my uterus. I've passed this info along to others I know who use essential oils a lot. I'm glad this was helpful to you! Thank you for letting me know. OP, thank you for your update. Praying that all will go well and that you and your daughter will have answers soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottakee Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Great that you have a ped that would do the referral. Our primary care is just there for basic stuff for my girls. Most of their things are referred on to specialists and I like that they are not threatened by that at all. Someone experienced with babies will do a good job drawing blood. Keep us posted. If they say the appointment will be a ways off, have her ask to be on the cancellation list. I have gotten into many specialists much faster that way. I told them I needed 1 hour notice and I could be there. That gave me 15 minutes to get ready and 45 minutes to drive there. Worked almost every time as they get last minute cancellations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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