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Seven Alone The WIlderness Family Ruby Bridges Selma Lord Selma My Dog Skip The Biscuit Eater Old Yeller Where the Red Fern Grows (original 70's version) Rascal

I like the Children's Place Outlet or Stride Rite Outlet. I don't care for the quality of Walmart, kmart, etc. i don't like vinyl and I want good supportive shoes for my kids' growing feet. JMHO.

That is what my mom always says, and she is not a believer of any faith.

Wow, I like your youth group philosophy, as well as your own personal philosophy. :) Few of our "good kids" even come to youth group, homeschooled and nonhomeschooled alike. They are all too "busy" and disinterested. The faithful few that come are really great kids. But I'd like to see the outreach happening.

That pretty much sums up what I think. It's sad.

Oh my goodness, I had NO idea what he was saying. I definitely thought it was more along the lines of what you thought (Ma Ma Se...) Thanks for setting me straight! :)

I am glad you set me straight cause I also thought it ws 400 children!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought it was the funniest song in the world when I was a kid. :D

I used to know some website full of these funnies. They referred to the "condition" of mihearing lyrics as "chronic lyricosis." I also had this great book called Dave Barry's Book of Bad Songs that was hilarious! Here are a couple of ours (me, dh, and I think one of the kids') "Big ol' Chad had a lighthouse" (Big Old Jet Airliner) "Im a Poolhall Ace" (how my poor heart aches, from that Police song) "I Been Down to Hardees, Baby" (Been DOwnhearted Baby)

This was a hot topic for me during my last pregnancy, during which I discovered Henci Goer. Check out her site http://www.hencigoer.com and especially this page: http://www.lamaze.org/Forums/AskHenci/tabid/363/view/topics/forumid/12/Default.aspx I must say though that my drs were very pressuring about my views and would not give up. They finally pushed the issue by forcing me to come in for weekly NSTs and then saying my baby looked abnormal on a sonogram, which meant i had to see a specialist. He did not think there was a thing wrong with the baby and acted very casual about it. Our baby was perfectly normal. They tried to tell me I HAD to induce early because they suspected dwarfism, even though the specialist disagreed with this. I did not induce early and my baby was perfectly normal.

From my mom..."you could have had a career if you had put them all in PS..."

My mom says that frquently. Once we did put my son in PS middle school, we saw a rapid decline in his confidence, manners, motivation, attention span, moods, etc. PS didn't cause those problems, but it exacerbated them. Now my mom thinks that because my son is having really BAD problems, it is proof that homeschooling ruined him and that we need to come to our senses and put our other three in school before "it's too late." She is convinced if our ds had always been in PS, he would never had done drugs, etc. But now every bad thing he does is attributed to his late return to PS, after years of homeschooling, which was better for him.

Same with my oldest ds. I have had it hinted and somewhat more boldly put that he would not be considered ADHD or bipolar if we has just left him in PS after first grade. He had problems in K and first also, but some folks (even the teacher) actualyl attributed that to the fact he was not in daycare since infancy, thus he was not "socialized." :(

we loved the Henry Ford Museum!

this happened less than ten miles from where I live. Probably even less than 5. :eek::eek:

I have that child, too, only now he is 16 and the stakes are higher. If you want to know just how much higher, feel free to PM me. I had a counselor suggest getting a psych eval from a psychiatrist, to determine if bipolar disorder might be the problem. It runs in our family...yep, that is the problem! This book is very respected: The Bipolar Child. Also this website is the best I've found: http://www.bpkids.org I know some people have trouble believing kids can have bipolar, but I understand so much better now! Stimulants can make it worse...and ADHD is often NOT ADHD...which is often found out when the child doesn't do well on stimulants. But they frequently misdiagnose it as ADHD.

NOt orror story, but to me it is. My ds went back in 7th and we discovered just how ADHD he actually is. We suspected it, but managed to get around it by homeschooling. No organization tricks or tips worked for him and the teachers were BRUTAL on organization issues more than actual intelligence of child. He made so many bad grades due to ADHD related disorganization and poor memory that he became convinced he was a moron. It mattered more how you filled out your "reading log" than it did what you thought about the book, etc. etc. math was much harder than the Saxon we did at home. He got no help and they always said he should not ask for any, from them or at home. He learned less and in a more confusing way than at home. Kids were very ugly to those who were "different" and especially former homeschoolers, and anyone who wasn't "popular" or good at sports. Many kids smoked weed and/or drank alcohol. Kids with ADHD, bipolar, etc. were considered "Stupid" or "Retards" and were even treated ugly by some teachers. None were in honors or gifted classes. Kids that age talk about sex constantly and about being "gay." YOu don't have to BE gay to be considered "gay." Just different. It matters LOT what you wear if you care what social classes accept you. Small towns have lots of parent snobs as well. You aren't allowed to hug or touch anyone; it's sexual harrassment.

I recently tried to sell some books on Ebay asking that people use check or money order only. I had one buyer get quite nasty about it because she said it wasn't "safe" to do that and she only uses Paypal because it is the only "trustworthy" way to get her stuff. She cancelled the transaction. The other buyer I had complained but did not cancel her transaction. She strongly suggested I only use Paypal from now on if I want to sell anything. Dh won't let me get Paypal and now I am starting to wonder if he actually is the smart one??

Oh, I feel all of your pain here! I do not feel guilty anymore that y dc are "missing out" by being hsed. I let that influence me into sending my then 12yods to PS. He has now failed the tenth grade, suffers from no help for his ADHD and bipolar in his school (they just dub kids like that "bad" and "not college material), and I could go on and on. My almost 15yodd has learned enough from his experiences (including turning to the wrong crowd because the "right" crowd won't accept him) that she doesn't want anything to do with PS. She is at various activities such as swim team and the middle school kids are bragging about s*x and smoking pot! Some of these kids are even considered "good" by adults bc their families have money and they make good grades. My younger 2 don't care about any of it and haven't been phased by their PS acquaintances yet. I was proud my older dd told these girls, "I LOVE my mom!" after they shared that the HATE theirs. The reason? Their moms were upset they had posted suggestive pics of them in bikinis on their Myspaces. My dd doesn't even bother with Myspace anymore, but when she did, I totally trusted her. Anytime I saw it, it had a couple of wholesome pics and all Christian songs.

prayers for you... it's good you are self-aware; I wish my dh and my 16yods were! They both have BP. Elizabeth

texting in class is already a very big problem. My oldest (who does not even have a cell phone) goes to PS. Plus I have been told by other adults who have taught Sunday School, special seminars, etc. that the kids ignore them completely and sit and text the whole time. This even goes on in college! Pathetic.

I have one in PS high school and I regret it. My others won't be going if I have anything to say about it.

I can tell you from experience that my dc learn the hard subjects, even the ones I don't particularly like, better from me than from any other person, including dh and including PS teachers. The difference? I truly care and won't brush them off and say, "I can't help you with that" or "what is your problem?! Blah, blah, blah..." etc. Now, I do get frustrated, etc. I do not love math or most types of science. But I have learned these subjects better as an adult and not in the pressure cooker of PS with peers being mean, teachers that aren't all that great, etc. If your dh truly wants to teach them stuff, I say let him do it. But don't believe him when he says you are not capable. Also do not let his frustration if he gets upset with the kids ruin their relationships or send him into a tailspin, thinking they'd be better off in PS. Patience is the key. I know!

I have some depression issues of my own. My dc certainly aren't perfect. I am dealing with two teens, one of whom was in PS last year, and ever since 7th grade. I truly regret putting him in PS. It was not right for him. I let dh pressure both him and me into it. My dd is 14 and does not want to go to PS. DOes she give me trouble? SOmetimes! I know what you mean about hormones! They include my own! I am 42. I am tired! Let me reiterate: I deeply regret PS. My other dc know this... and do not want to go. They have seen and heard enough from their brother, from me, and from other kids and parents who are in PS. I would steer clear if at all possible, unless you feel really sure it will be better. PS for my son worsened both of our depression. I tried putting my younger one in years ago and he would have been a year behind. he hated it and I pulled him back out the first week. His teacher was really ugly toward her class (supposedly one of the "Best" teachers) and the principal and reading specialist were rude and demeaning toward me, pooh poohing any thoughts of LDs, etc. I hear enough about teachers having s*x with the kids, about violence and s*x and dr*gs amongst the kids, etc. to curl my hair. I do not want my kids in that environment, no matter how fed up I get. So many parents I know whose kids are doing well (straight As, sports stars, etc.) would tell you how great our schools are. But I beg to differ! This is just how *I* feel. Most will probably tell you that you should put your kids back in school. But I won't.

I am relieved to hear there are others who screamed! i am such a shy, easily embarrassed person you can imagine I would have preferred to be a silent birther! my first was almost nine lbs and had a really big head. He got stuck and I was pushing 3 hrs and ten minutes away from a C section on top of all the vaginal swelling and tearing and strained muscles I was going to have from the rest of the labor. 2nd was pretty easy. 3rd same weight as first 4th 7 lbs but sunny side up and it hurt BAD! Epidurals each time but not nearly soon enough except with #2 and a caring OB! The epidural was scary and painful, too, with electric shock sensations ripping through my legs!!!!!!!!! With my first it was a military hospital and I had the rudest nurse you can imagine. She screamed back at me and made fun of me afterward! She even said she preferred Filipino ladies because they birth silently! Wow, none of them crack under the pressure and fear? This lady had no dc of her own, either.