Ok, we have been using IEW this year, and it has been going well. My son is in the 8th grade. I understand KWO. They make sense to me. However, SWB talks about doing multi level regular outlines and writing from those for 8th grade, and either I am using bad source texts, or years of doing drugs (teenage years) or mommyhood had fried my brain. I see what she is saying, but it hard to wrap my brain around. I was hoping to get Remedia Outlining 5-8 ebook, but I can't find it available in a digital format. What sources do you use to outline? Maybe I am doing this wrong, you outline each paragraph right? I am usually not this dense, but this is baffling me, maybe it is because I have 4 other children to teach, and 1 is new here and WAY behind in EVERYTHING! :tongue_smilie: