foofoobunny Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 It's just a big reference book, right - like Kingfisher? It's not a history program with directions, questions, maps? If so, what program do people use with these books? Thanks so much. The more I research history programs, the more confused I am :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 From K12? It's three textbooks. They can standalone or you can buy teacheer and student packages to go with the first two books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofoobunny Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 From K12? It's three textbooks. They can standalone or you can buy teacheer and student packages to go with the first two books. Yes, I saw the textbooks - I didn't see the teacher/student packages. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKS Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 The Human Odyssey is not what I would consider a reference book. It is an extremely coherent and interesting survey of world history for the middle grades. If you want questions and activities to go with it, you can either get the student and teacher pages used online or you can sign up for the K12 course. I believe that it is going to get harder and harder to find student/teacher pages because K12 has stopped shipping hard copies with it's courses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Yes, I saw the textbooks - I didn't see the teacher/student packages. Thank you! If you search for the books on Amazon, you should see the teacher's guide and student pages down in that strip of "people who bought this also buy..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofoobunny Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 The Human Odyssey is not what I would consider a reference book. It is an extremely coherent and interesting survey of world history for the middle grades. If you want questions and activities to go with it, you can either get the student and teacher pages used online or you can sign up for the K12 course. I believe that it is going to get harder and harder to find student/teacher pages because K12 has stopped shipping hard copies with it's courses. Thanks! I was hoping someone would say they were very indepth. If you search for the books on Amazon, you should see the teacher's guide and student pages down in that strip of "people who bought this also buy..." Going to check now...thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Wife Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Human Odyssey reminds me very much of SOTW only on a more advanced level. It is a textbook but with a narrative flavor. If you have difficulty finding the K12 Intermediate History student pages, one workbook that would make a decent substitute IMHO is World History Detective from Critical Thinking Press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alte Veste Academy Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Thanks! I was hoping someone would say they were very indepth. You can see good samples here: http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/easy_find?Ntt=Human+odyssey&N=0&Ntk=keywords&action=Search&Ne=0&event=ESRCG&nav_search=1&cms=1. And you do not technically need the guides. Just the books and the logic section of WTM would serve you well. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I have used the books without the teacher or student guides. We've had no problems. They are text books and you can use them for outlining, narration, discussions etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofoobunny Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Human Odyssey reminds me very much of SOTW only on a more advanced level. It is a textbook but with a narrative flavor. If you have difficulty finding the K12 Intermediate History student pages, one workbook that would make a decent substitute IMHO is World History Detective from Critical Thinking Press. Thank you! You can see good samples here: http://www.christian...search=1&cms=1. And you do not technically need the guides. Just the books and the logic section of WTM would serve you well. :) Is this it? http://www.amazon.com/Intermediate-World-History-Student-Semesters/dp/B001BKJ6XU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371840825&sr=8-1&keywords=human+odyssey+student+pages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Those are the student pages for the second text book. That would be useless without the text to go along with it. Here is the first text book: http://www.amazon.com/Human-Odyssey-Vol-Prehistory-Through/dp/1931728534/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1371841119&sr=1-1&keywords=human+odyssey+volume+1 Here is the second: http://www.amazon.com/Human-Odyssey-Vol-Holdren-Cribb/dp/1931728569/ref=pd_sim_b_1 and here is the third: http://www.amazon.com/Human-Odyssey-Vol-Cribb-Holdren/dp/1601530188/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1371841239&sr=1-1&keywords=human+odyssey+volume+3 Three text books. They can be used in three years or (as I have done) used over four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofoobunny Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Those are the student pages for the second text book. That would be useless without the text to go along with it. Here is the first text book: http://www.amazon.co...dyssey volume 1 Here is the second: http://www.amazon.co.../ref=pd_sim_b_1 and here is the third: http://www.amazon.co...dyssey volume 3 Three text books. They can be used in three years or (as I have done) used over four years. Do you just do your own questions and discussions with your kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alte Veste Academy Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Is this it?http://www.amazon.com/Intermediate-World-History-Student-Semesters/dp/B001BKJ6XU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1371840825&sr=8-1&keywords=human+odyssey+student+pages I just wanted to link the actual HO texts so you could judge them for yourself. I have no personal experience with the student guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckymama Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Do you just do your own questions and discussions with your kids? Yes! That's how we've handled history the past three years with all three volumes of The Human Odyssey :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofoobunny Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 There is also a homeschool program, put out by Pandia Press, which is called History Odyssey. They offer study guides for a 3-level 4-year rotation program: Ancients, Medieval, Early Modern, and Modern. You can get it thru Rainbow Resource or Classical Education. Here's a link to the description: http://www.pandiapress.com/?page_id=64 Thanks - I did order History Odyssey earlier today because I've fretting over it for too long now, and decided I needed to see it for myself. Then, I came across Human Odyssey - I liked the big texts but didn't see any students study guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootAnn Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 ... And some people on here use History Odyssey, but substitute Human Odyssey as the spine (instead of Van Loon's Mankind book).... :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Do you just do your own questions and discussions with your kids? Yep, all like a homeschooler and everything, :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TarynB Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Just so ya'll know, K12 has a "no Sell" policy for all their Teacher and Student pages. I did not know they stopped shipping the them with the courses. I am not surprised. Son 2 found that many pgs in his printed Student books were different or missing from what was online. Maybe K12 will lower their ridiculous shipping now too. Just FYI, K12 can certainly state that policy, and they have every right to stop producing their hard copies, but they have no legal basis for attempting to prevent purchasers of their printed products from re-selling those products. This is known as the first sale doctrine. (It applies to printed copyrighted material, not digital media.) "The first sale doctrine, codified at 17 U.S.C. § 109, provides that an individual who knowingly purchases a copy of a copyrighted work from the copyright holder receives the right to sell, display or otherwise dispose of that particular copy, notwithstanding the interests of the copyright owner." ~ http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01854.htm (bolding mine for emphasis) ETA: That's not to say that I don't like K12, just putting the information out there. We use Human Odyssey and I like it a lot. I've also liked the other K12 history and language arts books that I've tried so far. Excellent materials. Bought all of them used. :coolgleamA: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Hmm...so that means Calvert School can stop being so uppity about their similar policy too.They used to have you send them a page stating you destroyed your TMs each year. I have read about groups of Calvert users getting together at the end of the year for TM bonfire parties. But we digress. Son 2 used Human Odyssey Vol 1 last year as an Independent and enjoyed it very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 They cannot tell you not to sell/destroy it any more than Honda can instruct you not to sell/to destroy your old car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzie in Ma Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Human Odyssey reminds me very much of SOTW only on a more advanced level. It is a textbook but with a narrative flavor. If you have difficulty finding the K12 Intermediate History student pages, one workbook that would make a decent substitute IMHO is World History Detective from Critical Thinking Press. This is exactly what we are doing this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguirre Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Hmm...so that means Calvert School can stop being so uppity about their similar policy too.They used to have you send them a page stating you destroyed your TMs each year. I have read about groups of Calvert users getting together at the end of the year for TM bonfire parties. But we digress. Son 2 used Human Odyssey Vol 1 last year as an Independent and enjoyed it very much. I think Calvert is actually "renting" you their TMs. It's in the small print somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 I think Calvert is actually "renting" you their TMs. It's in the small print somewhere. Then they should get them back instead of ordering you to burn books as someone said up thread. These companies that try to intimidate homeschoolers into not reselling their physical books just disgust me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 If they instruct you to burn it then they are not renting it to you. If they asked for a deposit and returned it to you with interest when you returned the book then it is renting. They can call it what they like, but telling you to dispose of the book is not renting. It belongs to the buyer and they can't stop you from selling it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mo2 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Human Odyssey reminds me very much of SOTW only on a more advanced level. It is a textbook but with a narrative flavor. If you have difficulty finding the K12 Intermediate History student pages, one workbook that would make a decent substitute IMHO is World History Detective from Critical Thinking Press. Has anyone put together a schedule correlating these two? If so, I would love to see it. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foofoobunny Posted June 24, 2013 Author Share Posted June 24, 2013 Has anyone put together a schedule correlating these two? If so, I would love to see it. :) Me too! The two together sound promising! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I wanted to mention that, as far as I can tell, the K12 student and teacher guides for Human Odyssey only exist for the first two books. For the third Human Odyssey book (modern history) there are no guides. The teaching by K12 is entirely online. So, you can use the teaching guides and student pages for books1&2, but you are on your own for book 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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