Serenade Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Not always true, friends bought a house that's over a hundred years old, lived in it over a year and were informed it's part of a gated type community HOA. There was no paperwork in their closing that made this known but they are being told they have to abide by HOA rules. In this case, I would probably hire a lawyer and challenge this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Rat Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 You can't park 2 cars in the driveway! Now that is just BS! HOAs should be outlawed. I'd rather have my neighbos w/ the couch out front on the driveway (yes, I really do have those neighbors), than have an HOA tell me what I can and can't do on my property! :glare: :iagree: Exactly why I insisted on no HOAs when we bought our house. The HOA could be perfectly fine and a new president is elected and it goes south quickly. We don't live in the nicest looking subdivision in town. But, we can plant a tree, change a house color, leave the garage door open, park on the street (or the lawn), be slow bringing in the trash cans, and own a trampoline if we want. All of those, BTW, are problems my friends in HOA neighborhoods have gotten citations for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 But what about shopping carts and shoes? I think a shopping cart on my neighbor's lawn would offend me, but I have 3-4 pairs of shoes on my lawn right now. :leaving: I'd better keep an eye out for the HOA. Why on earth would there be a shopping cart in someone's yard? Is this a thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annandatje Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Why on earth would there be a shopping cart in someone's yard? Is this a thing? When that someone lives a mere block from strip shopping center and chooses to walk to Target instead of drive. The Target or Walgreen's shopping carts would sit in neighbor's yard in our old neighborhood until her next shopping trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keptwoman Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Admittedly, I don't know much about HOAs, but a law preventing a person from parking THEIR car on THEIR lawn? Seems like a real departure from freedom, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So many silly laws to "help us", less and less freedom. I was just thinking the same thing, for a country that talks a lot about it's freedom, its citizens sure seem to have a bunch of restrictions at times. Welcome to socialism. I remember when I was in school, reading all about how this kind of stuff (ridiculous restrictions on personal freedom) went on in other "bad" countries, but how America was free. Ha! Move to Australia, we have universal health care AND the right to park on our lawns if we so please, and we can park boats in our drives... thankfully because we have 4 there right now. :D Oh wait, UHC makes us "socialist" doesn't it, hmmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I was just thinking the same thing, for a country that talks a lot about it's freedom, its citizens sure seem to have a bunch of restrictions at times. Move to Australia, we have universal health care AND the right to park on our lawns if we so please, and we can park boats in our drives... thankfully because we have 4 there right now. :D Oh wait, UHC makes us "socialist" doesn't it, hmmmmm. I've not heard of restrictions about parking on lawns in the UK - I could be wrong though. And the National Health Service was happily engaged in monitoring my cholesterol and giving me free prescriptions this week. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snickelfritz Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) I wasn't trying to be funny. :confused: I don't see anything inconsistent in my statement. I don't have the right to be naked on my lawn. I don't have the right to poop on my lawn. I don't have the right to spread Dursban on my lawn. I don't have the right to operate a business on my lawn. If you just consider rights enshrined in our Bill of Rights - I don't even have the right to discharge a weapon or hold a regular worship service on my lawn. There are plenty of "rights" we give up when we live in a society. Apparently in many communities, the right to park your car on your lawn is one of them. I am OK with that. True. The law decided our neighbor didn't have the right to have...um... tEa on her lawn:tongue_smilie: (that's an old neighbor, in case anyone goes stalker and accuses our current neighbor of that behavior:D) And when you are trying to sell a house and the only bad comments you get are how junky your neighbor's yard is (chain linked, tall grass, lots of broken toys inside the chain link).... It makes you want an HOA. Those views are a buyer's first and last impressions and it DOES matter to many (most?) Edited September 17, 2011 by snickelfritz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKim Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) I think many people would be perfectly happy in prison. After all, everything is neat and clean and you get free food, entertainment, exercise, medical treatment, etc. Who cares about personal freedom when you have all that? :glare: Edited September 17, 2011 by VaKim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keptwoman Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I think many people would be perfectly happy in prison. After all, everything is neat and clean and you get free food, entertainment, exercise, medical treatment, etc. Who cares about personal freedom when you have all that? :glare: :lol: I know it isn't meant as funny, but it is! Thanks for the giggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brilliant Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) I think many people would be perfectly happy in prison. After all, everything is neat and clean and you get free food, entertainment, exercise, medical treatment, etc. Who cares about personal freedom when you have all that? :glare: I am always so sad when WTMers engage in obvious logical fallacies. I think likening living in an HOA (or even living in a municipality!) to prison is called "straw man", although it's been a couple of years since we did logic so I'm not sure. Edited to say that I think it's the "either/or" fallacy. Edited September 17, 2011 by OC Mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keptwoman Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Beyond agreeing WRT the straw man, I think that VAKim was referring to living in "socialist" countries like Australia and Britian where we have the dreaded UHC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I am always so sad when WTMers engage in obvious logical fallacies. I think likening living in an HOA (or even living in a municipality!) to prison is called "straw man", although it's been a couple of years since we did logic so I'm not sure. Edited to say that I think it's the "either/or" fallacy. It could be likened to living on a military base though. Every house must be a cookie cutter house. Every inside wall must be white and perfect. Every lawn will be measured for length. Etc. Except, one might actualy have MORE freedom in base housing as I've seen clothes lines, boats in driveways, and Christmas lights of varying degree of tacky fun. Gee, and no one even owns their home on a military base...but more freedom! Maybe the prison analogy is closer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 It could be likened to living on a military base though. Every house must be a cookie cutter house. Every inside wall must be white and perfect. Every lawn will be measured for length. Etc. Except, one might actualy have MORE freedom in base housing as I've seen clothes lines, boats in driveways, and Christmas lights of varying degree of tacky fun. Gee, and no one even owns their home on a military base...but more freedom! Maybe the prison analogy is closer... We can't have a boat in our driveway, but the government pays someone to cut our lawn. I think they were tired of looking bad when they had to give "tickets" to wives of deployed soldiers. We can paint our walls, we just have to repaint when we leave. That is true of any rental and is even a good idea when you own your home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 We can't have a boat in our driveway, but the government pays someone to cut our lawn. I think they were tired of looking bad when they had to give "tickets" to wives of deployed soldiers. We can paint our walls, we just have to repaint when we leave. That is true of any rental and is even a good idea when you own your home. When I was a kid, we couldn't paint other than white (I've even been in many rentals owned by retired military that would not let you paint any colour other than white, even while living there and even IF you were going to repaint before leaving). Friends of ours kept a boat in their carport during fishing season, then it had to be stored. Glad they starte hiring out the mowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Beyond agreeing WRT the straw man, I think that VAKim was referring to living in "socialist" countries like Australia and Britian where we have the dreaded UHC. Let me explain it to you: Free public education = Freedom Free public healthcare = Socialism Got it? :lol::lol::lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaKim Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) Just for the record, I don't believe in free public education either. Yep, I'm one of those. :) Not that there is any such thing as either free public education or free public health care. Edited September 17, 2011 by VaKim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LidiyaDawn Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Considering that I'm the type of person who would paint the entire outside of my house bright purple, keep a variety of funky old cars & motorcycles hanging about for projects, and I love those jingly things that Jo's Aunt Meg has all over her lawn in Twister…. I'll never buy a home that even remotely smells of an HOA. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Considering that I'm the type of person who would paint the entire outside of my house bright purple, keep a variety of funky old cars & motorcycles hanging about for projects, and I love those jingly things that Jo's Aunt Meg has all over her lawn in Twister…. I'll never buy a home that even remotely smells of an HOA. ;) LOVE THIS! We live in the city and I love that the row houses are different colours! In Charleston, we had Rainbow Row. In St. Louis, everything was brick. Here, the more colourful areas liven things up. The areas that are plain brick all the way down, are the dullest. We also have couches and recliners on porches, people that pig roast in their back yards and play loud music. We have people that play ball in the streets (extra points if you get the ball over a police car that's driving down the street), etc. It's lively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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