Mrs Mungo Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 If a hundred years from now (perhaps a lot less than that) the story of Barack Obama is told to students in terms like Washington and Lincoln were when I was a child, I'd be neither surprised or... Actually I won't be here, so... In the mean time he is a partisan political figure as well as a President (who deserves the respect of his office, but not "endorsement" by a school. S o for now I'm OK with Paul Bunyon, feeling uneasy about Daniel Boone, and back-peddling on Davey Crocket (but enjoyed the show in the 60s :tongue_smilie:) Bill You make me laugh. :lol: All presidents are political and historical figures. Plenty of people who didn't like Reagan's politics still mourned him and spoke well of him shortly after his death. Every political figure is going to do *some* good. I even agree with Donald Rumsfeld about a lot of things. Maybe I watch so much CSPAN that at some point they are going to say something I agree with. I just don't feel this sort of animosity that some (on both sides, I get in an equal amount of trouble with my liberal friends) feel. It's like the rooting for a football team instead of engaging in political debate. :D I am not barking up any tree at all. I didn't share the photo for a reason - mostly because I wasn't sure what it meant. The title of the book, the blurb, just made me go...hmmm. Which is what I do with most of what I read about Obama. You didn't say "hmmmm" you said "oh my gosh how horrible and frightening" and you didn't even know who the author was or what the book was about. I don't find that logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 In 1492 Columbus sailed the ccean blueAnd took the brown people as slaves. You never did hear that version. You forgot the line about where he cut off their noses and ears, killed the babies and gave the women to his men. But it was all in the name of God of course, so hey! Pass a cannoli! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Wow, now don't I feel dumb. LOL I honestly never heard that song. I made up the brown people line all by myself. :D Like 5 minutes ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara R Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Why? Why is it creepy? Because he's not the king. We don't do kings in America. We respect the office of president, but that's more than any one man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I got an e-mail a few weeks back with a picture of Obama getting on Air Force 1 with a copy of This Book. I find that absolutely terrifying, if it is true. I realize pictures can be doctored and such, so I didn't pass this one along....but if it is what he was reading, it aligns with some of the beliefs I have had about him all along. And, for the record, none of those have anything to do with him being black. I also find it funny that he is half white, but no one ever really mentions that. My nieces are mixed race (african american and caucasian) just like Obama... LOLOLOL! Fareed Zakaria is awesome. I can't wait to read that book. His show GPS is a must watch in our house. Sheeew, unsubscribe to those lists, or at least google the title and author. Here- "This is not a book about the decline of America, but rather about the rise of everyone else." So begins Fareed Zakaria's important new work on the era we are now entering. Following on the success of his best-selling The Future of Freedom, Zakaria describes with equal prescience a world in which the United States will no longer dominate the global economy, orchestrate geopolitics, or overwhelm cultures. He sees the "rise of the rest"—the growth of countries like China, India, Brazil, Russia, and many others—as the great story of our time, and one that will reshape the world. The tallest buildings, biggest dams, largest-selling movies, and most advanced cell phones are all being built outside the United States. This economic growth is producing political confidence, national pride, and potentially international problems. How should the United States understand and thrive in this rapidly changing international climate? What does it mean to live in a truly global era? Zakaria answers these questions with his customary lucidity, insight, and imagination. Well, I guess it's just easier to believe that Obama is plotting the destruction of America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kewb Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 To me, though, there's a different "feel" to offering a song to a past president, who is dead!! It seems less like worship that way. I see I need to clarify past presidents. I am not refering to George Washington. I am referiing to the presidents of my childhood. Ford, Carter, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Pep rallies in general are very annoying, whether for a political figure or for the football team. :lol: Well...I played high school football, and rather enjoyed the glorification :D Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Well...I played high school football, and rather enjoyed the glorification :D Bill Hey, I went to the University of Oklahoma, you're not going to catch me badmouthing football. Of course, I was only in marching band, I'm a dork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree House Academy Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 You didn't say "hmmmm" you said "oh my gosh how horrible and frightening" and you didn't even know who the author was or what the book was about. I don't find that logical. No..I said, "I got an e-mail a few weeks back with a picture of Obama getting on Air Force 1 with a copy of This Book. I find that absolutely terrifying, if it is true. I realize pictures can be doctored and such, so I didn't pass this one along....but if it is what he was reading, it aligns with some of the beliefs I have had about him all along. " I personally think that Obama is all for "the rise of the rest" and that is all I will say as to why it disturbs me that he was reading this book. I won't change how I feel on that - no matter who the author was. It just doesn't sit well with me. But, again, I didn't bring this up to stir the pot...I brought it up and specific response to someone who has the same feelings about Obama that I do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree House Academy Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 Or it could be that you defaulted to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law Godwin's Law. Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990 which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3] Godwin's Law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread reductio ad Hitlerum form. The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued,[4] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact. There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[2] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress. This principle itself is frequently referred to as Godwin's Law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread. There is a widely recognized codicil that any such ulterior-motive invocation of Godwin's law will be unsuccessful (this is sometimes referred to as "Quirk's Exception").[6] umm...I am not even sure what your point is here. I didn't make the comparison to end the thread - I actually feel that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheBrink Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Did ANYONE say or imply it was the sign of the Apocalypse? :confused: Not that I saw. And, are people implying that Davy Crockett WASN'T born on a mountain top in Tennessee, purtiest state in the land of the free; raised in the woods so he knew every tree, killed him a bahr when he was only 3? I'm shocked and dismayed! SHOCKED AND DISMAYED, I tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree House Academy Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 I'm in a goofy mood. Maybe we should come up with a Well Trained Mind song. :D Only if I can teach it to your kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Not that I saw. And, are people implying that Davy Crockett WASN'T born on a mountain top in Tennessee, purtiest state in the land of the free; raised in the woods so he knew every tree, killed him a bahr when he was only 3? I'm shocked and dismayed! SHOCKED AND DISMAYED, I tell you. Very nice. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 If your kids sing it with my kids..then sure. ;) I insist on Remudamom being the one to kill the bahr in our song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree House Academy Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 If your kids sing it with my kids..then sure. ;) :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree House Academy Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 I insist on Remudamom being the one to kill the bahr in our song. Oh absolutely! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tree House Academy Posted September 24, 2009 Author Share Posted September 24, 2009 This has become a 19 page thread in 7 hours. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I am sorely tempted to tag everything with a "bahr" tag now so that it will show up in the tag cloud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheBrink Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I am sorely tempted to tag everything with a "bahr" tag now so that it will show up in the tag cloud. My "bahr" is copyrighted. No touchie the bahr! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I am pretty sure that song is older than you. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 How do others feel about this? Just say no to slow news day attempts at knicker knotting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) We should have a meet-up here. :smilielol5:The tags are killing me, it's like an Easter egg hunt (no religious implication or lack thereof intended)! Edited September 24, 2009 by Mrs Mungo curse you, typo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheBrink Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I am pretty sure that song is older than you. :lol: That's distinctly possible. BUT, in the original lyrics, its "b'ar", so I can copyright "bahr." I shoulda gone to law school.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Just say no to slow news day attempts at knicker knotting. Would you feel the same if the song had been about Bush rather than Obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntPol Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Definitely Creepy Would you feel the same if the song had been about Bush rather than Obama? I would. I wasn't a big fan of George Bush. I didn't vote for him, didn't vote for Clinton, Obama, McCain, etc. I've always voted 3rd party. I also think the pledge of allegience is creepy and for the life of me can't grasp that all you have to do to make the conservatives fall for a socialist ploy is add "under God" to it. And I don't remember ever learning any song about any President -even Washington. I do remember the Poem about Columbus sailing the ocean blue and Paul Revere's Midnight Ride and Hiawatha but nothing that was a praise song, much less one that mocks a Christian song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 http://www.preschooleducation.com/spresident.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugglin'5 Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Definitely Creepy I would. I wasn't a big fan of George Bush. I didn't vote for him, didn't vote for Clinton, Obama, McCain, etc. I've always voted 3rd party. I also think the pledge of allegience is creepy and for the life of me can't grasp that all you have to do to make the conservatives fall for a socialist ploy is add "under God" to it. And I don't remember ever learning any song about any President -even Washington. I do remember the Poem about Columbus sailing the ocean blue and Paul Revere's Midnight Ride and Hiawatha but nothing that was a praise song, much less one that mocks a Christian song. :thumbup1: Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineFarmMom Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 http://www.preschooleducation.com/spresident.shtml The thing is, Lincoln and Washington aren't presently living. There is something less manipulative about a song honoring a president who isn't presently making policies that affect our world!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXMary2 Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Really? Jesus couldn't get elected president. He hung out with prostitutes and lepers. FOX News would tar and feather him before the first primary. People magazine would have him on the worst-dressed list. He'd suggest caring for the least among us and the Republican party would start in with the socialist name calling. There wouldn't be any songs praising him. He'd be more liberal than Ted Kennedy. You'd all hate him. Oh please. Yeah, I am sure Jesus would be a liberal Democrat. I can just see him with his Pro-choice sign. I am pretty sure Jesus wouldn't be a politician, nor would he like them. I also don't think he would forcibly take money from one to give to another. Jesus wasn't a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 The thing is, Lincoln and Washington aren't presently living. There is something less manipulative about a song honoring a president who isn't presently making policies that affect our world!! I was posting that in response to someone who said they weren't familiar with such songs. Since it was an extra curricular activity I don't see what is wrong with it. I would probably not be comfortable if it was done during school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 umm...I am not even sure what your point is here. I didn't make the comparison to end the thread - I actually feel that way. Just that when you bring out a Hitler comparison that it basically means you lost the argument. So, you think that Obama is a dictator who is trying to lull his county into a false sense of security so he can separate us then pack the undesirables off into concentration camps and gas them? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 (edited) I was posting that in response to someone who said they weren't familiar with such songs. Since it was an extra curricular activity I don't see what is wrong with it. I would probably not be comfortable if it was done during school. I generally agree. I do also agree that it isn't clear whether it was during the day or extra-curricular since the school isn't talking about it (who can blame them?). I have no problem with it as an extra-curricular, I wouldn't think it's appropriate during school. Of course, my many, many issues with how the public school system treats history is one of the main (if not THE main) reason I homeschool. Edited September 25, 2009 by Mrs Mungo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Would you feel the same if the song had been about Bush rather than Obama? Yep. Look, the whole thing is odd (though no moreso than the Pledge of Allegiance, which I've declined to recite for more than three decades). It'd be odd regardless of the person/subject. But it's old news; that is to say, it's not newsworthy. It's making the rounds primarily to excite the bandwagon mentality displayed in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 http://www.preschooleducation.com/spresident.shtml Wow, I've never heard any of those songs. I honestly cannot think of any song about any president that we sang in my schools. We might have sung the National Anthem, God Bless America, and other similar songs in Chorus. But nothing about presidents, living or dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 (edited) Yep. Look, the whole thing is odd (though no moreso than the Pledge of Allegiance, which I've declined to recite for more than three decades). It'd be odd regardless of the person/subject. But it's old news; that is to say, it's not newsworthy. It's making the rounds primarily to excite the bandwagon mentality displayed in this thread. I guess I'm just surprised that there was so much outrage over a prayer said over a Booster Club luncheon in the presence of a few students who were there to serve the meal, but not about a politically charged song taught directly to young children. Of course, if it happened outside of school time, it's not a big deal from a legal standpoint and I agree that's it's odd but not newsworthy. But if it happened during school time as was reported in the links that were posted, I think it was wrong. Edited September 25, 2009 by LizzyBee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 (edited) Wow, I've never heard any of those songs. I honestly cannot think of any song about any president that we sang in my schools. We might have sung the National Anthem, God Bless America, and other similar songs in Chorus. But nothing about presidents, living or dead. I remember singing one about the cherry tree. :lol: I don't think it says anywhere that the White House encouraged this song to be made up and sung. I do believe it is offensive call Obama Hitler-esque because it happened. Was Obama even aware of it? Edited September 25, 2009 by Sis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I remember singing one about the cherry tree. :lol: I don't think it says anywhere that the White House encouraged this song to be made up and sung. I do believe it is offensive call Obama Hitler-esque because it happened. Was Obama even aware of it? And I thought Bush was divisive. Obama -haters are over- the -top! PS No! I am not an Obama worshipper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I remember singing one about the cherry tree. :lol: I don't think it says anywhere that the White House encouraged this song to be made up and sung. I do believe it is offensive call Obama Hitler-esque because it happened. Was Obama even aware of it? I'd be surprised if the White House had anything to do with it. I haven't read anything to indicate they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I'd be surprised if the White House had anything to do with it. I haven't read anything to indicate they did. I think some people were needing to celebrate their excitement, the end. I hate having contributed to a long paranoia thread. I need a strawberry daiquiri, obviously. Meet me at Armageddon. I'll be the one still wearing my clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I think some people were needing to celebrate their excitement, the end. I hate having contributed to a long paranoia thread. I need a strawberry daiquiri, obviously. I have no daiquiris but I do have Mike's hard limeades and margaritas, you are welcome to either. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I have Mike's lemonaid :cheers2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I could use a margarita :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I could use a margarita :D Passes one over Hope you like them on the strong side. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarahli Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I have no daiquiris but I do have Mike's hard limeades and margaritas, you are welcome to either. :D I will take a drink whenever someone mentions Hitler. :tongue_smilie: Why Hitler anyway? I don't see a real historical comparison here (for the record, my grandmother was German and her family helped to hide Jews during the war). Why not just say you think he might be a zombie that wants to eat the brains of Americans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I have no daiquiris but I do have Mike's hard limeades and margaritas, you are welcome to either. :D On my way. :cheers2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slartibartfast Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Why not just say you think he might be a zombie that wants to eat the brains of Americans? Because it is too late for that! HAHAHAHAHAAHA!!! Sorry :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Because it is too late for that! HAHAHAHAHAAHA!!! Sorry :( :smilielol5: Oh dear, my children are now completely distracted by my hysterical cackling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 I think some people were needing to celebrate their excitement, the end. I hate having contributed to a long paranoia thread. I need a strawberry daiquiri, obviously. Meet me at Armageddon. I'll be the one still wearing my clothes. :lol: at your last line. I've never met 6 yos who had sufficient political knowledge or interest to celebrate elections. But again, if this was not done as a school activity, it's just free speech and I don't have any problems with it. If it was done during school time, that's a different matter, and I think the conversation here would be flipped if the song had been about Bush. I'm sure we'd all enjoy this conversation better over drinks. For the record, I'm not having heartburn or high blood pressure over this. It's just conversation. :cheers2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erica in PA Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Just that when you bring out a Hitler comparison that it basically means you lost the argument. Hmmm... so in your opinion there will never be anyone else in the course of history who is in any way similar to Adolph Hitler? From my viewpoint, if there is ever a similarity between a current day leader and Hitler, you can bet I will be watching very carefully and alerting others, because I never want anything like that to happen again, and I believe human nature is such that any number of people are capable of that kind of evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Because it is too late for that! HAHAHAHAHAAHA!!! Sorry :( :lol::lol::lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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