+1 on what crimsonwife says. Though I am uncertain if there is a type and OP meant SM TB + IP. We actually did use TB and WB and IP a semester behind. CWP was maybe a unit or two behind. I think CWP is worthy of doing. It's really not very hard to integrate it. I just assign a page a day which is just 2 maybe 3 word problems.

What snowbeltmom says is true. If you are in CA...this is fairly likely to be a problem of getting credits accepted due to the hoops you have to jump through here for a-g requirements.

Have you seen what they list for school usage on royalfireworks? https://www.rfwp.com/pages/michael-clay-thompson/ Maybe call them and ask about what would be appropriate?

What about the Bienfang Notesketch ones?

This is a very helpful thread...I was starting to second guess my decision to take it a bit slower with MCT.

That was the syllabus. Here is the online link to the class description. http://www.scholeacademy.com/course/pre-algebra/

Schole offers a pretty generous withdrawal policy: Q. What is your refund policy? A. There is a $75 deposit built into the cost of each course. Withdrawals requested before May 1 are granted a full refund, including the deposit. After May 1, withdrawals are granted a full course refund, less the $75 deposit. Students may withdraw from a course through the second week of classes. After the second week of classes, no refund is given.

Maybe it depends on the area and the people involved in maths education? I would say the ones in my area are more than up to the task...but then again it is the San Diego Math Circle which has some AOPS contributors working there. The professor I have working with me our non-competitive SDSU math circle is really amazing with kids. Both of his son are highly gifted in maths. In general, I would agree that those truly gifted in maths are not necessarily in maths education. We don't specialize like in Asia, and this is where I might get flack...I don't support teachers' unions because I absolutely think science and maths educators must be paid more in order to draw better talent. It makes zero sense to me that we pay them exactly the same.

The Toastmasters program if a chapter is running one is the Toastmasters Youth Leadership program. They also have a Gavel Club which is Toastmasters for the under 18. A mom in my homeschool group is running one for our group since there was interest for a non-competitive speech option. This is separate from the moms that run the competitive speech and debate club. I am actually think trying to find a Model United Nations program would be really good as well.

I don't think this is a skill that would be limited to science. The art of learning to communicate well is something that is useful across many fields. Are there any homeschool speech or debate or those types of classes available to you? There are groups like STOA for Christian homeschoolers. Communications classes perhaps...something around persuasive speaking or public speaking skills? STO My son did a Jr. Speech class taught by a local veteran homeschooling mom whose son was nationally competitive in speech and debate. She used this book written by Win Heggen. She apparently does coaching via Skype. http://www.winsomespeaking.com/about/how-to-be-heard-and-remembered/

I will add that if you are thinking you want to do logic...there are far more efficient and less expensive ways of teaching logic than using Beast Academy. I would categorize BA is emphasizing problem-solving skills and deep conceptual math. If word problems are what you are after, then CWP or Fan Math's Process Skills. I would lean more towards the second given what you have said as there is no instruction in CWP. The problems in CWP are so much better than in SM's TB & WB books. I would use materials from Critical Thinking Company, Mindware, Prufock Press, or the Dandy Lion books you mentioned above to address logic or critical thinking.

I use Beast a level after SM. It makes Beast go more quickly since with SM, he already mastered the concept and is just digging in deeper. It serves a bit as a quick review before upping the challenge. I would say Beast is definitely wordier than SM. I have a mathy kid and don't think Beast has enough practice to get to the level of fluidity and "math muscle memory" that I want. This does take time, we do a lot of math around here. Far more than average I think. We do math every day year round. It's just part of our family life. If you do not care about getting through all of the Beast levels, I would actually suggest what you can do is consider using it as a supplement and don't focus on finishing all of BA3 in one year. Maybe set aside one day for Beast and work though it at that pace. Or consider just working Beast in over your summer break and just go however far you can without being fixed on finishing in one year. I would totally feel comfortable taking a child working through SM5 through BA3 slowly as enrichment and supplement. Think more open and go rather than a scheduled timeline. I would value more the exposure to problem solving and slow thinking in BA than getting through the curricula. It takes what it takes. Make the program work for you versus you slogging through just to check off all the boxes within some sort of set timeline. There's tremendous benefit in being able to model walking away and letting your brain puzzle and noodle through a problem you are stuck on...and coming back with fresh eyes and new ideas to try out. I have to say that notorious first chapter on Geometry in BA3 is truly challenging. My husband and I were stumped at point going through it as they covered concepts we were never exposed to. The key with Beast is don't focus on X number of problems or pages. I would just set a planned amount of time and then close the book when time's up.

I seriously thought about doing the Number Theory class, but I think more than 3 online classes this year would be too much. I would love to hear feedback on that. I always hear a lot about Athena's and G3....so I've been sticking to those.

Just saw that Schole Academy is offering AOPS pre-algebra taught by Jill Hodges. It's interesting that more classes are being developed with AOPS curricula. http://www.scholeacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/SA-Pre-Algebra-Syllabus-2017.pdf

ok...found the announcement. http://www.wilsonhillacademy.com/2017/05/25/new-classes-new-teacher/

I thought I saw something from WHA about needing to make changes based on how enrollments were panning out across their schedule.

Found this. You can see there is a decidedly West Coast bias... http://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valley-hiring-most-popular-universities-2015-7 You will notice that there are several schools listed on there that are not top tier schools. I can tell you that people recruited from those schools are generally going to hit a ceiling and likely going to not make it past first line management. Think individual contributors primarily. Those headed for the C-suite/upper level management are going to be predominantly drawn from the top tier schools. Not impossible to get there from a non top tier school...just a harder/more challenging path.

Totally agree with Harvard not being the best choice for engineering. Much better top ranked schools as mentioned by Crimson Wife. Also, if you want to get recruited to work in the Silicon Valley, then you are far better off with Berkeley or Stanford. It's proximity, but also many tech companies will recruit specifically from only from certain target schools. Often these players are actively involved with the engineering programs at these schools and often influence the evolution of these programs. An easy way to tell is to look at which schools the people in that company tend to hail from. My husband's company Intuit doesn't recruit from MIT at all. Not to say that you don't have a chance, you just have to drive it more than the company actively recruiting you.

I didn't know about the downloads either! Thanks!

Maybe look at the sample on the Peace Hill Press website. It's 33 pages long versus 7 pages on CBD. http://downloads.peacehillpress.com.s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs/samples/StudyGuideHOTAWSampleForWeb862013.pdf

Nini, Is there more than one JAG book? That's the TM that I was asking about. Do you mean you have that one or the AG one as well? Interested in your offer. That would be really awesome.

Thank you! Luckily I do know how to diagram.

I am getting the student book from another homeschooling family. Can I use it without the TM?

My son just did his first Great Course: Experiencing the Hubble by David Meyer. It was a big hit on our last road trip.

I think I would suggest holding off on a label and just know that she is gifted and look at retesting at 7 or 8. Under 4, this gives you a good baseline and idea, but it will not give you a true picture quite yet of where she is truly at.