I'm sorry, what country are you talking about. Like an ego-centric American I assumed you were talking about the good ol' US of A (or maybe those other places like England or Canada ;) )... I have never, ever, seen a woman walking around topless just in case her baby got hungry, except on Nat'l Geographic, and those ladies were topless around the clock regardless. I take your irony and toss it right back. You were rude. You implied that wanting to be alone, or not wanting to join in idle prattle was wrong. You implied that people that did not wish to be social butterflies were destroying society. I was pretty irritated by this (dare I say, offended). People were bothered because you brought up topics you knew to be controversial, bfeeding, and you make hurtful remarks. Tossing the blame of the fall of society on everyone else's shoulders was wrong. People reacted because it was percieved as a bash on them or people they care about. Again. Mote, plank. Personal responsibility. Avert your eyes. I have things I need to work on for myself. Everyone in society does. Wagging fingers doesn't do anything except make people cling tighter to the things they may need to work on. See also, THIS is why I don't socialize. If someone had said these things to me, in public, I would have been hard pressed to bite my tongue and walk away.

Who gets to sleep on the porches during the summer?!? So LUCKY!

Mote, plank. Don't look to lust. Was it Basheba or David that was punished? I think personal responsibility trumps social obligation any day. It's our own responsibility to be sure we don't get led into temptation, it's up to us to monitor what situations we are a part of. It's our job to be sure that we treat others the way we want to be treated. Instead of worrying about people being so selfish as to not consider how hard it is for you... perhaps a better idea would be to monitor yourself, to see whose toes your grinding beneath your heels. If we were all a little more personally responsible, then we wouldn't have time to point to someone else and say, it's all YOUR fault that life stinks.

Or hover over... :rofl:

My point exactly.

There are few people I enjoying talking with on the phone. I try very hard not to give anyone my number (difficult with the kids' various clubs/groups and things). I put I can if I have too... but that's not entirely true. I LOVE talking to my gramma and my sister. It's everyone else that irritates me :)

I don't think age has much to do with it. Most people would take it personally if you said you didn't want them to come over... I mean, it is personal, not exactly a case of 'it's not you, it's me.' If it means that much to the op, then don't even worry about his feelings. Of course, they're going to be hurt, no matter how you put it. Tell him straight up and be prepared for the rain of fire and brimstone when his parents find out how you feel.

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ETA Nothing nice to say. Never mind.

Sounds just like my ds. We spent two weeks checking on a stuffy he had found at the beach. He found it and insisted on bringing it to the police station and turning it in. The cops were very amused by my son, insisting that they log it in :lol: and then calling every day to see if it had been "found." Go figure, no one ever claimed it and he got to keep it (fair, square and honest).

I think it's always been this way. This almost seems to be the human condition. Normally, wavemakers want to notice, I mean they wouldn't make waves if they didn't want people to complain, right? One might say that this idea of being going along to get along is wavemaking. What's wrong with surfing your own wave and letting others move to another part of the beach if they don't like it? At the same time, why yell at the waves? Why not try them yourself? This is one of those things that, imo, can't be resolved... Unless we all get our brains slurped out by an alien race that turns us into drones. These questions could be turned the other way. Shouldn't other people allow a considerate amount of room for a person to be themselves and comfortable? Doesn't cooperation mean making sacrifices so that two people can work towards a particular goal? IOW, if you need to work with a wave maker, then can't you keep SCUBA gear with you to weather their waves, and can't they offer you a life line, to keep you from being swept to sea? Asking one person/group to cooperate with you by altering themselves if asking a lot. Accepting other people/groups in spite of the differences between you, allowing them their place on this planet, in your society, isn't that real cooperation? So, who sacrifices? The introvert takes thier children to social obligations. Most introverts, that I know, are polite. Why should they vext themselves to make someone else comfortable, especially when that vexation would end up extending into other facets of life? I'm nice and smile during the idle chit chat today, what happens when, tomorrow, they call up and ask me to do something where it's ALL idle chit chat? Then I'm obligated to go, because that would make them feel better? All the time I'm pretending to be/think/feel something other than what I actually do and I'm miserable, because I'd rather be home. Forcing introverts to pretend to be otherwise, like forcing a lefty to write with their right hand, might make it easier for others, but it forces them to deny a truth about themselves. Better than the wave analogy, the bfeeding topic is an excellent example of who should be forced to bow to whom. The easiest thing, and imo the least wave making solution, would be to move on. If you see a booby keep going and sit down where it's out of sight. That goes for introverts as well (it was a joke, like we, introverts are boobies... n/m). Offense is in the eye of the beholder. We have a responsibility to ourselves to make our society, those around us, as conducive to our well being as possible. We have a responsibility to our children, to introduce them to different types of society so, as an adult, they know how to behave and they can find where they are comfortable. We don't, however, have a responsibility to comply with society or change ourselves, or deny who we are, in order to make society, in general, comfortable. If that was the case, I would have to deny Christ, because He does not make society in general, comfortable. Introverts just want to be left alone in their caves as hermits. That's what is going on. It's other people that keep insisting they join the society of extroverts. Left alone, there wouldn't be the hurt feelings. Of course, no one seems to care when an introvert is called snobbish or a detriment to society, or rude or callous. Extroverts take it upon themselves to force others to fit their mold or to say it's wrong, rude, socially unacceptable to not be like them. Who's in the wrong? The folks that want to be who they are comfortably, or the ones that demand they go against their nature to fit into a society that they think is more worthy? You don't think it's a good path. You are not considering it from the other point of view. I don't think it's good to put yourself out there. There are times when I see extroverts doing particular things and I wonder.... how in the world did they NOT know the backlash was coming? How did they miss the obvious, to me, outcome of all their talking and chit chat? How did they NOT see that this was going to go horribly wrong? I did not pull my kids for those reasons, I pulled them so they could get a better education without petty reprisals from teachers that didn't like the way they did things. I pulled my son, because I was tired of him getting bad marks because he's quiet and doesn't want to run and yell. I pulled him, so he could be himself, go at his own pace, without teachers that would make him feel like he was "wrong" because he didn't fit into society's nicely packaged idea of how a child should behave.

First, congrats :) Now, to the business at hand... Explain to your ds that for certain things (gym, scouts if you do that) it's better to be say you're at the grade level that most kids are at his age. That way, he can work with children his own age. When adults ask, tell him to just say what grade he would be in, if he was in a public school. IOW, I would be a 1st grader, if I went to public schools. That way, he's telling the truth, without making himself seem to be at a lower level. If they want to know what grade level he works at he can tell them.

Is anyone else here anti-social?? Yes, we are, but we won't post, because we don't really care to interact with you. Good day. How do you tell a kid to go away? (At first I saw this one and loled, on second thought...) First, try clapping your hands at them and yelling in a threatening manner. If that doesn't work, charge them waving your arms in the air and screaming. Finally, throw rocks. Are your parents a disappointment? Do you parent like them? After nearly 30 years, I've just had to give up. I'll never get my parents to behave the way they should. I'm a failure as a child. It worries me to think where they'll be in ten years. I have to give my kids credit, though. At the rate they're going I will be a completely docile mess by retirement.

Tell them Thurs. is the only night available to you. We don't even give our Scouts an option... lots of boys end up missing meetings for various activities, but they come when they can. You can't please everyone all the time, looks like it's his dad's girlfriend's time to be not pleased :)

Thank you. I try ;)

*I* have been struggling with this ever since I read and article on "fighting fair." The biggest problem arises when the other person doesn't know why you avoid saying I. It ends up sounding like an imperial order, rather than a personal issue, if you know what I mean.

It is okay for people to be different. It is okay for someone to not be like you. Believe it or not, but there are countless different people, with countless different points of view in this world. Not all of them feel like you do, and some of them might think you were a little off balance for suggesting that people from a different point of view must be suffering from disorders. It sounds like you really like yourself, and that is good, that is healthy ;) However, trouncing on someone else, because they're different... well... maybe you should see someone ;)

No s.n. kids here, but yes, they can be incredibly cruel, especially around puberty. :grouphug: I hope it helps to know that this isn't an s.n. issue, this is an across the board mean and spiteful issue. :(

He'll probably slip and then wallow in it, his due that is ;) Sorry everyone's sick. If the school wants verification, put the phone on speaker and let them listen to dueling buckets for a few. They'll probably excuse those absences.

Yes, avoiding my parents... ba dump bump You can thank the tongue in cheek thread for this.

Aww thanks :) With that one in particular, knowing how far off target we were makes it a little funnier. I remember one thread that said something along the lines of Hands to God or Saxon? All I could think was, I would choose God over Saxon any day, I mean they're good, but they're not that good.:lol:

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LOL, I went with two different sized legs and you were worried about books! That, my dear friends, is a prime example of why we do not judge books by covers, and jokes based on their titles are funnier if you know the actual content! In this case, math vs. writing/spelling skills.

Because the schools assume that the parents are not taking their kids to the doctors because they don't care that their children are sick. Remember, these are the same folks that don't, for the most part, trust parents to teach basic hygiene to their children. Of course, they're going to assume the kids are not going to doctors because Mom and Dad are too backwards or stupid to take them.

Surprised you put Hoover, Kenmore and Kirby in one option... Kirby is in a class of its own. Care to guess what I vacuum with?