I'm wondering if it was with only certain kinds of payment? I'm going to be placing an order with them on Friday and I usually pay with Paypal, but I could use a CC if that would be more likely to not have a problem.

I bought everything, but we ended up not using Eat Around the World--that one can be skipped. I got the Bible portion but we didn't use it much. It seems like it was mostly just some passages to memorize? Ack, I wish I could remember! They gave me the Assessments CD for free (I bought it at convention). But again, I don't think I used it at all. It's a really beautiful curriculum, and the curriculum itself is very well done. I don't LOVE some of the book choices, but I didn't feel like the books distracted from the good stuff in the curriculum itself, if that makes any sense. :)

Oh, I forgot to say that it might be helpful to buy the curriculum first and look through it to see how each book is used. Also, even though you didn't ask, I thought I'd throw this out there just so you're aware. :) My dd 10 would find Meet Christopher Columbus too easy to use as a reader this year although it was fine for her in 3rd grade. But I prefer to have my readers at or above their comfort reading level. YMMV. :001_smile: Oh, and one more thing. :D TG is all integrated, which can be the beauty of it or the curse. But it does mean that it's not very easy to substitute.

I'm trying to remember... There are two Columbus books because one is for the student to use as a reader and the sower book is to be read-aloud. IIRC, the sower one would be hard to substitute because you read it slowly over many weeks and some of the curriculum is based off of those readings. I'm not sure about the reader, Meet Christopher Columbus. Surviving Jamestown and Seaman were the other read-alouds, I believe. I think my dd liked all the books we did (we only used it for one semester) but I didn't like the Sower book :ack2: and Surviving Jamestown was just okay. But I did enjoy Seaman. :001_smile: That was probably not very helpful at all, huh? Hopefully someone who has a better memory than me can help you out. :tongue_smilie:

I see we were posting at the same time! I'm glad there'll be opportunities on base to learn Japanese. It sounds like you guys will have a great experience!

I would just keep going with the Form series, but I wouldn't worry about if I had to miss a week here or there. And I would definitely start learning Japanese, preferably with a native tutor--maybe there are some other moms who would be interested in going together to pay for a group tutor? Or possibly there's already something like that available? Your dd is certainly at an age (and far enough along in her Latin studies) where she could handle two foreign languages. Good luck! (Our very good friends served in Okinawa--he is a Chaplain in the Marines--and are now stationed in Hawaii. :) )

I own MM and dd did it for a time, but because it was so easy to just throw a worksheet at her, that's usually what I did. :blushing: And because dd struggles with reading for details (possibly dyslexia), she was totally lost. Not my best teaching decision. We've since been using Singapore (we used RS B and C for 1st and 2nd), and I had totally planned on finishing the elementary sequence out with Singapore. But, we're going to be trying out Strayer-Upton this year--at least see how it goes for a while. Dd has done Singapore 2B-4B plus the CWP and IP books, but she is still missing way too many problems for my liking (from carelessness and not reading carefully (see above), not from lack of comprehension). The TB and WB is quite easy for her; she enjoys the IP, although she finds it challenging; but she needs help with almost every CWP problem even though she can come up with some of the answers in her head (she hates drawing out the bar diagrams or writing down any of her work :glare:, but she's been getting all confused now that the problems are multi-step.) All of that would be fine, and I don't actually mind having to work with her on all those problems, but I think that SU lends itself more to oral work. I'm hoping to continue working with her on writing problems out neatly and fully, continue to exercise her brain through the IP, and to practice a few selected multi-step problems from CWP so she will not be hampered when she's ready to move into higher math. But I think being able to do some problems orally (she's quite good at mental math) and streamlining the topics will help since her brain sometimes seems to shut down with too many problems (or corrections, as the case may be). Also, I've read that SU is highly effective at making sure kids know a concept because as you move through the book, the topics build on each other. We'll see! Anyway, sorry for rambling--these things have been floating around in my head for a time. And besides, if it doesn't work, I've already got 5A waiting in the wings. :tongue_smilie: Good luck on your search!

Would you mind posting whenever you find out when RR is to get LOE in? I'm wanting to order but I would like to get it fairly quickly so I can do some intensive work with my son before we start back in August. I might give it another week with RR and then decide. TIA!

Hi Amy, I don't own Aesop, but I did research it quite a bit before deciding on CC. I don't think there's any reason why you couldn't go from Aesop to CC Narrative. They cover the same skills, afaik. (ETA: I mean that Aesop and CC: Fable cover similar skills.) Yes, you can do CC with just the TM. If you check out the Sample of the TM on the MP website, it includes a reduced size of the student workbook pages with the answers filled in. I bought Selby's version of the TMs for CC Fable, Narrative, and Chreia/Maxim for a song on the FS Boards here before MP published their guides and I started out actually using just that TM by itself. Then, for ease of use after I had my baby, I bought the student workbook from MP and dd uses that while I teach from the original TM. It works fine, although MPs TM is waaayyy more useful and useable, from the samples I've seen. Hopefully someone will chime on CC vs Aesop that knows more than me! :tongue_smilie:

Oh, I know dd would love to be able to read the Bible in Greek as well, so it's not all bad! ;) Yes, I think I'm going to put off making the decision until I see if MP gets a release date on FF Greek soon. I know they're working hard on a number of programs this summer. And I could deal with having to wait until late fall or winter by giving dd Greek Code Cracker to work through in the meantime.

Exactly my dilemma. I got into a similar situation with Latin and I don't care to go through it again with Greek. I'm thinking I'll have to suck it up and do Koine first. :001_unsure:

I had thought about doing this too. I wonder though if even SYRWTLG would be too much for my 10yo dd this year (I saw the recommended age is 13+). She is very eager to learn Greek but we will be getting into the nitty gritty of Latin grammar next year with 2nd Form so I don't want to overwhelm her. I'm still hopeful that First Form Greek will come out this summer (last I heard on MP's forum, it's still a possibility) and that will be targeted for 6th or 7th graders so I wonder if it will be more doable than GP. *sigh* I guess there's always Elementary Greek to use as a placeholder until she's reasy for Athenaze (which I recently got in the mail, and LOVE the looks of.) But man, I would love to just start out with a Classical Greek program...

I was hoping to do something like this this fall, and I've been very impressed with the two other HOAC things I've done before. It sounds like the content is solid, too. Thanks for sharing!

I'm thinking about it but waiting to see if they get the 4th grade done this summer as my dd is going into 5th. I'm curious to see how the 4th grade will build upon the 3rd, and if the 3rd grade book will be necessary to use first.

We abandoned ours when winter rolled around because we live in a 100 year old house with 10 ft ceilings and no insulation. The school room is on the northeast corner of the house, so it felt quite dark and dreary in the mornings, not to mention it was about 8 degrees colder than the rest of the house. We much prefer sitting at our large dining table on the southwest corner of the house with lots of large windows and the sun streaming in. Also, with four children 10 and under, there's no way we're going to stay confined in one space. From the dining room to upstairs bedrooms to the couches to the kitchen--we tend to spread out around the house. Next year, though, I actually do intend on spending more time sitting all together at the dining table, I think. But we'll see how my older two very distractable children handle it.

Yes. These are what my dd is currently using to supplement her summer math (CWP/IP 4 and LOF Fractions) before she begins Singapore 5A in the fall.

Go to the Classical Composition website:http://classicalcomposition.com/ and scroll to the bottom. There are two good articles, plus a bibliography for more reading about the progym that includes Aristotle, Augustine, D'Angelo, and Corbett (the latter two being the modern authors I see as recommended reading most frequently for the progym/rhetoric). I'm hoping to read through at least the first three myself this summer...we'll see. ;)

Yes, this is the one weakness I've seen in RS is my older dd struggled with mastering her math facts. But, I think if we'd played the games more often, this wouldn't have been an issue. Plus, she's my dyslexic girl and would have had trouble with them no matter what we had done! (We're still working on them! :glare:) Since my younger kids have their siblings to play with instead having to rely on boring ole mom ;), I'm hoping they'll get to fluency with their facts through the games. I will also likely add in the R&S drill booklets, as I finally have done with dd10. Cheap and painless, and makes ME feel better. ;)

BTDT with Singapore and extra manipulatives...twice. But unfortunately (:tongue_smilie:), nothing else I've used matches RS in this area.

It sounds like your kids would really enjoy an LCC-style education, then, with the addition of more science resources. The Famous Men books are used as the only history selection in 3-6 grade. Of course, one hour per day of reading classic, good books is strongly suggested as well. :) What edition did you buy?

I use Singapore for upper elementary, and I plan to continue through 6B (my dd is currently in 5A), as well as use it for the other kiddos. Now, I'm not sure WHEN I'll switch over to Singapore with the next two kids...we'll cross that bridge when we get there. (But, of couse, many people use Singapore from 1a on up and their kids do brilliantly with it. Maybe I just need that extra help as a teacher that RS gives, or some of the lessons and activities spelled out for me. :blush:)

RS is not my favorite thing to teach either. My oldest started out with Singapore and we completed most of the 1A workbook, but the understanding for her was not there. Quite skeptically, I switched to RS and we ended up completing B and C. I am amazed at how effective RS is in producing understanding, particularly in the concept of place value. When my ds became ready for formal math, I started with Singapore (hoping that because I felt like I was a better teacher that I could "do" with the less-intensive program). Nope. He was getting the concepts and could answer the questions and fill out the workbooks, but I could tell that deep understanding that my dd had had with RS was not there. So...we're back to RS. Am I thrilled to be teaching it again? No. But I know that it will be the best for him in the long run. The abacus is a brilliant manipulative, especially when you start using Side 2. And I love the way the warm-ups review, but also build up to concepts so that by the time they're fully introduced, there is no big conceptual leap. I've tried many other maths for early grades (MM, MEP, Miquon, CLE, Saxon) and I keep coming back to RS. In the fall I'll add my younger dd, and therefore will be teaching two kiddos in different places in RS B. :willy_nilly: So, no, I don't love teaching RS, but I love the results.

Yes. To all of this.

I'm re-reading The Latin Centered Curriculum and the Logic stage section of the Well Trained Mind right now while I'm in planning mode. Others on my list include: The Great Tradition: Classic Readings On What It Means to be an Educated Human Being by Richard Gamble Building the Christian Academy by Arthur Holmes The Education of a Daughter by Archbishop Fenelon There are some others I wanted to read but I need to study quite a bit this summer to stay ahead of my dd in both Latin and Greek.:gnorsi:

Please, fix this!!!! The search function hasn't worked right in over six months (maybe a year?), and now it rarely works at all! I love these forums, but this search issue is frustrating. :glare: I still miss when we used to be able to put in two terms in the search box and it would only find threads that contained them both. Those were the days. :001_wub: