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  1. Has anyone gone through being totally overwhelmed by LOE? I have three boys in it. We are in Foundations A, B, and D. Is there another similar program that somehow reinforces things better or something? We are all getting lost in all of the rules. My oldest in D has a crazy memory, and even he is getting overwhelmed. I thought learning ALL THE THINGS for english was a good idea, but now I am questioning that. Any thoughts? Thanks. :/
  2. I'm considering Logic of English after unsuccessful attempts to complete SWR or WWTR. I did successfully understand and teach the phonograms to my 3 oldest children, but we didn't get much further than that. I did some spelling dictation with my oldest daughter, but she and I both found it frustrating that there were so many steps and fingers and markings, etc. etc. All that is fine, but I was never sure that I was doing it right and we didn't get far enough to see those steps become natural to either one of us. So, now that my youngest is ready to learn the phonograms and my 2 middle children didn't get much spelling instruction, but just the phonograms, I want to try again and I'm thinking Logic of English will be more successful. I'm intrigued by the scriptedness of it. Otherwise, I don't feel confident in the material to use the WISE Guide or the WWTR manual. Thoughts? Also, I'm wondering since I still have the SWR phonogram flash cards, do I really need to buy the $18.00 (yikes - expensive) set of Logic of English cards? I was going to buy the e-book, PDF A and the student workbook PDF A, which amounts to only $25.00 to try it out. Thoughts on that? I own a print shop, so I don't mind the printing cost; it's cheap for us. But, I'm hesitant to buy the whole book for $75.00 (yikes!) if I am not going to understand how to implement it. I'm a very hands on type person, so I need to "do it" rather than just read about it to know if I can learn it and succeed at it. Thoughts again? Thanks to anyone who can help, offer advice, encouragement, support, etc. :D
  3. So I am a huge fan of AAR but this last year I've not been able to get as many lessons done with my son and he's "behind" a tad bit. We are just 4 short days from finishing AAR 1 and my son already reads way beyond that level. I was going to go ahead and buy AAR 2 but somehow I got onto LOE's website yesterday and I've got to say I'm completely intrigued with it for a few reasons. 1) I can complete LOE much quicker than I can finish the next 3 levels of AAR. My son has JUST turned 9 and has no learning disabilities. I just need to get a ful phonics program done with him and I want a primarily OG based program. 2) I've not found grammar that I'm fond of yet. LOE includes it along with vocabulary and composition. 3) Overall the cost would be much less to do LOE instead of AAR. More money up front but around $250 cheaper than doing all 4 levels of AAR and AAS. For those of you that have used AAR/AAS (we would start AAS as soon as we finish AAR 1) and LOE can you compare where the major differences are and what I would need to consider with a switch? Also please share how long your lessons take with LOE. I would be using a 16 week schedule as a frame work and of course taking longer on a lesson if needed. My son will technically be in 4th grade next year and it would be wonderful to be able to start him out at his right reading and spelling level hence the consideration to go to LOE vs. AAR. I was also going to use EIW with my son for writing but I'm wondering now if I would even need it with LOE's composition portions. Overall it seems that all my language arts would be covered for around a year in the price of LOE. Give me your thoughts and experiences please wonderful ladies (and a few gentlemen). Thank you!
  4. We're going to go from C to Essentials, but I know many people have been waiting for level D to become available. For those who are interested, the price will go up after this month. https://store.logicofenglish.com/foundations/foundations-d-complete-set
  5. Okay, apparently ABC the Key is based on the Orton-Gillingham and/or Spalding method. Sorry if I've spelled either of those wrong! My boys are both LD and love the computer, the online lessons, and Skiddles. BUT.... abc the key uses manuscript instruction for handwriting and I want to use cursive. I'm just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this. My plan is to pause the video lesson when it gets to the handwriting part and do the corresponding phonogram cursive handwriting lesson in Rhythm Handwriting from Logic of English. I've been homeschooling for almost 20 years, but none of our other kiddos had any learning challenges. The "tried and trues", as far as curriculum, are just not working very well with them. SO...I'm back to the CRAZY curriculum search! :w00t:
  6. DS is finishing Foundations B, and I'll do C with him in first grade. But level D does not look like it will be quite right for him for 2nd. Have you switched a child into Essentials after doing some/most of Foundations? What does that look like? Acclerating through certain parts? Skipping? Thanks.
  7. I had one of those "slap self on forehead" moments yesterday, as DS7 (1st grader) as he claimed to have no clue when to use c, k, or ck, and wanted to spell pink as "pingk." (This was during a focused time working on spelling and not while writing sentences). While I am not worried at all about his spelling in one sense (it makes WAY more sense that DD's spelling did at the same age), on the other hand, it seems frustrating that he has forgotten these rules/concepts when we covered them last year using the Logic of English Foundations beta test lessons, and then covered them again this year (earlier in the year) using LoE Essentials. He has not retained as much as I had hoped from the last two years of LoE work. That being said, we did not fully implement Essentials this year. DS7 had the patience for 5-10 words per day, so it took us 2-3 days to get through each list, and was not very receptive to dictation sentences or even a real "spelling test" on the words for the week. We made it through lesson 26 before taking a bit of a break to focus on learning to write in cursive (at his request). In general, his writing abilities have increased, so I have no doubt he could handle 15 or more words dictated in a day starting now or in the fall. But when I mentioned that maybe we would just start back at the beginning of Essentials again next Fall to really master those rules and phonograms (he does pretty well with most of the phonograms, but has often known the sounds and not when to use them). And that idea of starting over was NOT met with a happy reaction from DS. So that leaves me not quite sure what to do. He clearly hasn't retained everything taught in Essentials, but I don't want to make him feel defeated that he has to "start over" in spelling, and I don't he is ready to just do the alternate/advanced lists either -- some of those words are pretty hard for a 2nd grader. Ideas?
  8. For those that have used LOE all the way through and have then gone back through the lessons with the advanced spelling lists...how did it go? Also............ Did you still do the lessons just as scripted or do something different? If so, please share your approach. What about the advanced phonogram set of cards? Where and how did you work these in? If you have yet to cycle back through, but plan on it, please share your plan. TIA
  9. I asked this question a while back and received some answers, but I am curious now that time has past if others have used this program with their dyslexic child? If so, how is it working for you and your child?
  10. I asked this question a while back and received some answers, but I am curious now that time has past if others have used this program with their dyslexic child? If so, how is it working for you and your child?
  11. Hey all, Just wondering if anyone has any opinions on the Landmark Baptist Literature curriculum? I am thinking of using 3rd. It intrigues me because they use the McGuffey readers. I have also looked at CLE reading but wasn't impressed. Am I missing something by just looking at the samples? Josephine
  12. For any of you who are using anything from Logic of English, how is it working in your family? Our learn to read program has resulted in numerous long- term problems, so I am leaning toward using this. I am intimidated to learn a new system and by the cost, though! Specifically, I am wondering if it relatively easy to use, what type of progress do you see in your children, and what your overall experience of the program has been. Thank you!
  13. So I have purchased Logic of English to use with my 2nd grader and 5th grader. Concerning my 2nd grader: I was thinking that I would skip the grammar portion of LOE, since we use FLL (we will do FLL2), but the grammar in LOE looks great. I do love FLL though and I think it would be overkill to do both. Could anyone give me some direction here about the two? Then I got to thinking that I could just use LOE for all LA, except writing we use WWE, and pick up FLL3 in third grade? Concerning my 5th grader: I was looking through the spelling lists in the LOE book and they seem quite easy until you get towards the end of the book. I'm torn b/w doing the lists in the book or the advanced lists on LOE's website? Can anyone tell me which spelling lists they use for their upper elementary child? DD is not the greatest of spellers but she did comment on how easy the beginning to middle words were when she looked through it. I don't want her to become bored with the program.....I thought I read on here that someone uses both lists. How do you incorporate both in a week? Do many of you do 2 lessons a week or 1? I don't see her moving fast through LOE, which I'm fine with. I want her phonics/spelling/reading solidified before middle school. I'm pretty sure we are not going to use the grammar portion with dd b/c we are going to start JAG....and move into AG for middle. Any advice or examples of schedules would be most helpful! Thank you!
  14. I own levels 1-6 of All About Spelling. This evening I was bored and started watching the Logic of English teacher training videos. Why did I do that? I guess I enjoy torturing myself.
  15. I am going to purchase LOE to use with my 5th grader and my 2nd grader. I need to know what I absolutely need so I don't overspend!! I do know I want to get the manuscript workbooks for both dc......how many sets of game cards? Basic phonograms (a must)....what about the advance phonograms? Spelling Game book.....Any help from those who use this program would be great! Thank you in advance! I want to try to not spend over $200(including shipping).....
  16. I really, really want to love LoE Essentials but I'm just not sure. I'm about done reading ULoE book and wished I had been taught the spelling rules and phonograms when I was in school to prevent me from being the mediocre speller that I am (though since having kids I've become a walking dictionary :confused1:). I've watched many of the videos Denise has on youtube and bought the Doodling Dragons book for my youngest but I just can't take the plunge and purchase Essentials. I have a dyslexic 3rd grader that has made a lot of process this year but is still struggling and at times frustrated. I really think teaching her the phonograms and spelling rules will be of great help. The fact is has grammar is a total bonus as reviewing that isn't going to hurt either. But my issue is after looking at the samples, it bugged me that the first phonogram and spelling rule was qu but only one word is the spelling list had qu in it! The second lesson was ck and only spelling 2 words had ck and there was no review of qu (the words quick, quack would have been perfect). Am I just being overly critical? Does somehow it just work and click? The sample is only of the first two lessons so maybe if I had a broader sample I'd feel more confident purchasing it. I really just want something open and go that we can just buckle down and get though most of it this summer. So somebody, anybody, please sell me on it. Thanks.
  17. One of my phonogram game cards is missing from a brand new pack, so I decided to check the other packs of flash cards I received with the Essentials complete set . Advanced Phonogram Flash Cards - In one place the website advertises 40 cards and another advertises 35. I have 35. Do any of you know how many are supposed to be in the set? Also, if anyone has the Grammar Flash Cards I could use some help with those too. My last card is 16.1 but the book has a couple more "rules" listed (16.2 and 16.3). I'm kinda bummed. I've never had to count and double check an order like this. The items arrived in excellent condition but I didn't expect to check/count the cards since they were shrink wrapped.
  18. Okay, fellow Logic of English users...I know this has been brought up before, but I am really having trouble keeping all my phonogram and spelling rule cards organized now that I have three students (one in Essentials, 2 in foundations) that need three different specific groups of phonogram flash cards, spelling rule cards, etc -- not to mention the cards we haven't even used yet! I think a file box with dividers is the right solution, but the bigger file boxes seem to still only be about 4x6 (too small) and the other random small plastic bins and boxes at Target are generally either too narrow or not tall enough. I have tried rubber banding groups of cards, but my rubber bands constantly break...I also tried baggies, but that got bulky and still hard to find what I wanted. Has anyone found a file box that would fit? Or any other creative solutions?
  19. I don't need any more writing for kiddo, and I'm happy to adapt, to type up a little. I want to use it as a review of all the phonics and spelling rules we learned from the SWR flashcards K-2. I want to go over them in a different way for a now-older child. Is the TM enough?
  20. I am going to be combining LOE and MCT for my 11 year old daughter was is a great reader but has poor phonemic awareness. This has caught up to her. Anyway, I have AAS rule cards for levels 1 and 2. Can those be used with LOE? I also have an 8 year old on level 3 of Barton (dyslexic) I have to wonder if I NEED the rule cards and the game cards. Do I NEED to spend that money? I am thinking both kids may enjoy and get quite a bit out of the games. What do you think?
  21. If you use this as a supplement to MCT, which do I need for a rising 4th grade 10 yo? Basic set? Full set? There is almost a $70 difference between the two, so I had to question if the extras in the full set are necessary or worth it. From the Rainbow Resource description: The Full Set includes everything in the Basic Package plus Spelling Rule Flash Cards, a Spelling Journal, the Phonogram & Spelling Game Book and the three different sets of Phonogram Game Cards. Thanks, Hive!
  22. I contacted RR because the LOE items are new and there aren't any pictures or descriptions. I had no idea what was included in their sets. I asked about 3 of their sets and a couple things that I suspected were LOE but they aren't labeled as such yet. Here's what I found out: LOECUR Logic of English Essentionals Curriculum w/ Cursive includes: 053036 Logic of English Essentials Cursive Workbook 053619 Logic of English Essentials Teacher's Manual LOEBCR Logic of English Essentials Basic Curriculum w/ Cursive includes: 053035 Logic of English Basic Phonogram Flash Cards 053036 Logic of English Essentials Cursive 053619 Logic of English Essentials Teacher's Manual LOEFCR Logic of English Essentials Full Curriculum w/ Cursive includes: 053035 Logic of English Basic Phonogram Flash Cards 053036 Logic of English Essentials Cursive Workbook 053038 Logic of English Phonogram & Spelling Game Book 053039 Logic of English Spelling Journal 053040 Logic of English Spelling Rule Flash Cards 053619 Logic of English Essentials Teacher's Manual 053620 LOE Phonogram Game Cards-Black Manuscript 053621 LOE Phonogram Game Cards-Blue Manuscript 053622 LOE Phonogram Game Cards-Green Cursive I asked about item 054540 called Cursive Handwriting Program and item 054541 Grammar Flash Cards. They confirmed that these both are for LOE by PediaLearning. Just wanted to pass along this info in case it helps anyone else.
  23. Is this new? I just heard about it. :001_huh: For those of you using this....where did you buy it (is it only available at their website), and what is needed?
  24. I have scheduled out the first 5 Lessons (11 weeks worth) of Logic of English Essentials for my 4 and 6 year old. I know many of you were trying to do the same thing, so here it is if you want to see them! http://onlypassionatecuriosity.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/logic-of-english/ Let me know if you have any suggestions or questions!
  25. Hello, I'm new to homeschooling. My DS has been in a private preschool but I've decided to begin homeschooling him next year. He just misses the public school cutoff (he turns 5 in October) so I'll call next year "K4" and go from there. I've debated posting or not -- I suppose I can just keep doing what we're doing since it seems to be working -- but I'd really like some input from those BTDT. Mainly, I'd love input on not planning too much but also on the other hand making sure I"m encouraging his abilities since he seems to love learning and seems to me to be advanced. I'm signing up for a local homeschooling co-op that has a kindergarten level so that he still gets a group to go to (he simply LOVES preschool). I'm really excited to begin homeschooling him (I've felt resentful all year since the preschool got him for his best hours of the day, since he's most pleasant and eager to learn first thing in the morning) and I am incredibly excited to begin this journey. I'd like this next year to be limited budget for homeschool as much as possible. DS taught himself to read and currently is at a 2nd grade level or so. Although I normally read aloud to him at his request, he is able to read independently (such as reading a chapter of The Boxcar Children!). I'd like to nurture independent reading but I really don't want to push him. I'm trying to follow his lead as much as possible. We love readalouds and picture books. He knows how to write letters but it looks atrocious (of course to be expected for his age). He won't stay on the lines and merges words together and mostly writes in UPPERCASE since it's easier. I'd like to start him on a handwriting program -- HWT looks "fun" and in the price range for me but I'm not crazy about the style or the two lines-- but then I wonder if just printing worksheets and having him trace would be just as beneficial. He resists "practicing" handwriting. I have no idea how to TEACH handwriting. For the record, I love cursive and would love to support beautiful handwriting, although my husband who has atrocious handwriting thinks its a waste of time and we should focus on typing and computer skills. hmmm.... For math, we have c-rods and I printed out a pre-Miquon workbook. He understands addition and subtraction although he still counts fingers to get there. In the fall, I'll download the Miquon books PDFs as he needs them. He loves learning everything from playing with money to telling time (so far he can do to the hour and half hour). He also does online games and enjoys it. I thought I'd wait another year before introducing a supplemental math program to Miquon (Singapore gets good reviews? or maybe Life of Fred which looks like fun?) For science, we're just following his lead. I may get the Usborne First Encyclopedia of Science and use that as a "spine" for next year. The co-op will also do a science class. For social studies, we've been learning about the continents, currently on Asia, mostly focusing on animals and landmarks. When we get through those, I thought about reading Gombrich's A Little History of the World or Usborne First Encyclopedia of History as a general, gentle introduction to world history for next year. Then I'd maybe go back and start history of the world more in depth each year after that following WTM sequence? Foreign Language -- Play and Learn Spanish (so far we love doing this together), Usborne first sticker book, and maybe Little Pim Spanish videos from the library every now and then. Art -- co-op class. Exercise -- swim lessons and co-op class. Music -- I really want to start him on piano lessons (he loves music) but not sure where to go for a teacher for a 4 yr old. Also, I just discovered The Logic of English program. It looks fantastic! Is that too much to begin with a 4yo, even one already reading? The teacher's manual is incredibly $$ for my budget but maybe it's worth it. Has anyone used it? Would I have to get all the extra pieces? I may have to wait another year simple because the price is restrictive for me, but would love input for those who've used it. So, any ideas on the handwriting, the encouraging independent reading, and/or other subjects? Sorry this post is so long. If you've read this far, Thank You!
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