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  1. I have two kids, girl in 1st and boy in K. Last year, DD "learned" to read in PS Kindergarten. In March, when quarantine began, I started her on AAR Level 1. She has(and I have) done OK with AAR. There are lots of parts I don't particularly like (fluency sheets, anyone???), and I've adapted it to add a little more practice reading at a lower level with BOB Books, and it's not going too badly. We are will begin AAR Level 2 in about 2 weeks. But frankly, she doesn't love reading, even though she does pretty well at it. Her biggest issue is guessing the words based on the pictures (taught
  2. Seeking advice from this tribe of homeschoolers. I am new to the WTM Community online but have been homeschooling for 4 years. I have four kids DS 9, DD 7, DS 5, and DS 6 months. My husband was homeschooled so he is very supportive of what I am doing. For the past three years, we have been in different CC communities (different ones bc of moving). I am disenchanted with CC. I don't want to start bashing CC, it just doesn't seem to be working for my family. However, it relives the burden of art and science and my kids love the social time. I am thinking about talking to my husband about not ret
  3. Has anyone gone through being totally overwhelmed by LOE? I have three boys in it. We are in Foundations A, B, and D. Is there another similar program that somehow reinforces things better or something? We are all getting lost in all of the rules. My oldest in D has a crazy memory, and even he is getting overwhelmed. I thought learning ALL THE THINGS for english was a good idea, but now I am questioning that. Any thoughts? Thanks. :/
  4. Basic question, is AAR/AAS less overwhelming than LOE? I would really, really appreciate any thoughts on AAR/AAS. We have been doing LOE Foundations. We have gone through A, B, C, and are currently in the middle of D. I had planned on continuing with Essentials, but we are struggling! I have four kids in the various levels of foundations and we are all overwhelmed. It seems like there is just not enough review of the different rules and things before we are off to learn another. So, either I need to figure out my own way to review or switch programs. Is AAR/AAS less overwhelming?
  5. Would it be possible to use these side by side? I have a 6.75 year old (1st grade) who needs the Foundations program to help with reading (and set a good baseline for grammar rules). She knows how to write letters and knows some very basic phonograms so she can read very early readers but is not confident and guesses some words unless I make her sound them out. I also have an 8 year old (3rd grade) who would be in the faster paced Essentials since she is an incredibly advanced reader. She knows some basic grammar rules, but I want to help her memorize more (along with a program that helps wi
  6. What phonics/reading curricula have very clear objectives or skills laid out before every lesson? Right now I'm looking at LOE because it is research-based and the online samples seem to have very clear objectives. This is important to me; I want to know what the goals of the lesson are so that I can tweak the lesson or supplement with practice and still meet the systematic learning objectives. I looked at AAR but the lack of clear objectives was frustrating. e.g. Why are we counting words? What's the point? Is it just so that she knows that sentences are made up of words or what?
  7. Would someone explain the difference between these two? I understand that they both teach basically the same phonograms. How do they differ structurally? Does LoE Foundations take one year, and LoE Essentials take another year? I actually have RLTL, and while I like it, we hit the spelling lists, and I am floundering with explaining the rules and things. I guess maybe I need a little bit more hand holding or something, I don't know. :( Thanks for any help!
  8. I'm looking for an app for either an iPad or Kindle that is simple. I'm hoping to find one that would support an Orton-Gillingham approach similar to All About Spelling/Reading or Logic of English. I have both of their apps, and while they're helpful, I'd love to find one that would alleviate the need for actual manipulatives for youngest ds. Something travel-friendly. Any suggestions appreciated. :)
  9. I'm considering Logic of English after unsuccessful attempts to complete SWR or WWTR. I did successfully understand and teach the phonograms to my 3 oldest children, but we didn't get much further than that. I did some spelling dictation with my oldest daughter, but she and I both found it frustrating that there were so many steps and fingers and markings, etc. etc. All that is fine, but I was never sure that I was doing it right and we didn't get far enough to see those steps become natural to either one of us. So, now that my youngest is ready to learn the phonograms and my 2 middle child
  10. So I am a huge fan of AAR but this last year I've not been able to get as many lessons done with my son and he's "behind" a tad bit. We are just 4 short days from finishing AAR 1 and my son already reads way beyond that level. I was going to go ahead and buy AAR 2 but somehow I got onto LOE's website yesterday and I've got to say I'm completely intrigued with it for a few reasons. 1) I can complete LOE much quicker than I can finish the next 3 levels of AAR. My son has JUST turned 9 and has no learning disabilities. I just need to get a ful phonics program done with him and I want a prima
  11. Hello, We're new to HSing. DS is 9 (as of Sunday). HFA Autism (4 year old PPD-NOS diagnosis), pending some more psycho-educational evaluations in February. Hoping to having a speech/language eval at some point in November. He would be in 3rd grade in school, but we're working on a 2nd to 3rd grade level with our curriculum choices. We're using Abeka Language 4 because he did 3 in private school last year, but I just ordered R&S English 3. Abeka 4 is too advanced for him and honestly I don't like Abeka Language. I was gifted R&S English 2 and having looked at it, it's way to easy f
  12. I was wondering for those that use classical education and use any of the Orton/Spalding Spelling programs. I find myself learning more about Grammar Stage, and how easier is memorization for young children, and how logic, and a more analytical approach is best employed in 5th grade or so, depending on the child. Then I come to ask the wisdom from all of you that have used Spalding methods of spelling and agree with the classical aproach, I have used SWR and have read most of the other ones. Is the marking of the words a form of analylsis of the word, it is to me almost like a diag
  13. I just started Logic of English Essentials and FLL2 with my 1st grader. She is reading at around a 5th or 6th grade level and previously completed 18 months of WRTR. She is doing well with both programs. I am thinking of dropping FLL 2 to simplify things. (I have other little ones and I am not getting everything done). What level is the grammar in LOE compared to the FLL series? After we complete LOE (it may take longer than a year) where would she be on grammar? Should I wait a year to come back to FLL 2? I hope this makes sense. :-)
  14. I had one of those "slap self on forehead" moments yesterday, as DS7 (1st grader) as he claimed to have no clue when to use c, k, or ck, and wanted to spell pink as "pingk." (This was during a focused time working on spelling and not while writing sentences). While I am not worried at all about his spelling in one sense (it makes WAY more sense that DD's spelling did at the same age), on the other hand, it seems frustrating that he has forgotten these rules/concepts when we covered them last year using the Logic of English Foundations beta test lessons, and then covered them again this
  15. For those that have used LOE all the way through and have then gone back through the lessons with the advanced spelling lists...how did it go? Also............ Did you still do the lessons just as scripted or do something different? If so, please share your approach. What about the advanced phonogram set of cards? Where and how did you work these in? If you have yet to cycle back through, but plan on it, please share your plan. TIA
  16. I asked this question a while back and received some answers, but I am curious now that time has past if others have used this program with their dyslexic child? If so, how is it working for you and your child?
  17. I asked this question a while back and received some answers, but I am curious now that time has past if others have used this program with their dyslexic child? If so, how is it working for you and your child?
  18. Would you do parts E & F of Foundations with a second-grader, or skip them and start Essentials? DS will start B halfway through kindergarten--i.e., right after turning 6--doing 2 lessons a week (including the reviews). Then I'm thinking we can do C and D in 1st. Obviously I'm trying to think way ahead here... LoE is expensive and I don't want to buy more than I have to, yet I don't want to skip anything if it will be really useful to him to take it slowly. I know I don't have to make a decision before it's even published. He is currently on pages 68-69 of Phonics Pathways, reading
  19. So I have purchased Logic of English to use with my 2nd grader and 5th grader. Concerning my 2nd grader: I was thinking that I would skip the grammar portion of LOE, since we use FLL (we will do FLL2), but the grammar in LOE looks great. I do love FLL though and I think it would be overkill to do both. Could anyone give me some direction here about the two? Then I got to thinking that I could just use LOE for all LA, except writing we use WWE, and pick up FLL3 in third grade? Concerning my 5th grader: I was looking through the spelling lists in the LOE book and they seem quite easy until you
  20. I own levels 1-6 of All About Spelling. This evening I was bored and started watching the Logic of English teacher training videos. Why did I do that? I guess I enjoy torturing myself.
  21. I am going to purchase LOE to use with my 5th grader and my 2nd grader. I need to know what I absolutely need so I don't overspend!! I do know I want to get the manuscript workbooks for both dc......how many sets of game cards? Basic phonograms (a must)....what about the advance phonograms? Spelling Game book.....Any help from those who use this program would be great! Thank you in advance! I want to try to not spend over $200(including shipping).....
  22. I really, really want to love LoE Essentials but I'm just not sure. I'm about done reading ULoE book and wished I had been taught the spelling rules and phonograms when I was in school to prevent me from being the mediocre speller that I am (though since having kids I've become a walking dictionary :confused1:). I've watched many of the videos Denise has on youtube and bought the Doodling Dragons book for my youngest but I just can't take the plunge and purchase Essentials. I have a dyslexic 3rd grader that has made a lot of process this year but is still struggling and at times frustrated. I
  23. One of my phonogram game cards is missing from a brand new pack, so I decided to check the other packs of flash cards I received with the Essentials complete set . Advanced Phonogram Flash Cards - In one place the website advertises 40 cards and another advertises 35. I have 35. Do any of you know how many are supposed to be in the set? Also, if anyone has the Grammar Flash Cards I could use some help with those too. My last card is 16.1 but the book has a couple more "rules" listed (16.2 and 16.3). I'm kinda bummed. I've never had to count and double check an order like th
  24. Ok so I am having a horrible time deciding on phonics. Every time I find something I like, then there is something else. Ugh! Right now, my almost 6 DS is doing AAR1. We are on lesson 19 and it is going pretty well. He seems to like like it ok, he gets it pretty well, but isn't fluent yet. I like the scripted form but I do not like how long the lessons are. One lesson is almost always to long for DS, but it feels weird to stop in the middle. And then, going back to finish the lesson, it just feels awkward to me. I feel like we would both like a program where each lesson were shorter and c
  25. I am going to be buying The Logic of English soon to use with my DS in a year or two. But my stepsister is a very struggling reader and speller. She is 12 and headed into 7th grade next year and is in public school. We have talked about going through LoE this summer. If I did that, would she need the workbook? Or would it seem to childish? Also has anyone used this program with a 10-12 year old and how did it go? How fast did you move through the book? Could it been done in a summer? Thanks in advance!
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